Hauck

[CDAGRIZ]

Whoever it is has to do better than 7-4.

I'm not saying he should be fired otherwise, but that's the standard you set when you fire the coach who did it the year before.

I mean, why make a change if you aren't confident/expecting the new guy to do better?

My opinion: If it's Hauck, I think we'll be in good shape, but anything less than 8-3 will be a bitter disappointment.

That's my thinking, too. One year of 7-4 will be a disappointment. Two years of 7-4 should be a new HC search. No more mediocrity and excuses.

 

[bhumble]

If it's Hauck, he also will most likely bring in JC transfers and drop downs. Stitt was not fond of that to some extent.

He must because the talent is not there now.

 

[RobertoGato]

Whoever it is has to do better than 7-4.

I'm not saying he should be fired otherwise, but that's the standard you set when you fire the coach who did it the year before.

I mean, why make a change if you aren't confident/expecting the new guy to do better?

My opinion: If it's Hauck, I think we'll be in good shape, but anything less than 8-3 will be a bitter disappointment.

That's my thinking, too. One year of 7-4 will be a disappointment. Two years of 7-4 should be a new HC search. No more mediocrity and excuses.

Firing the next HC after two ~7 win seasons would be my ideal. Keep that discontinuity and turmoil rolling!

Why doesn't UM just fire their head coach every year they don't win the championship? Can't bring home a chipper? You gone. It's bound to work at some point. I'd sign up for that.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Whoever it is has to do better than 7-4.

I'm not saying he should be fired otherwise, but that's the standard you set when you fire the coach who did it the year before.

I mean, why make a change if you aren't confident/expecting the new guy to do better?

My opinion: If it's Hauck, I think we'll be in good shape, but anything less than 8-3 will be a bitter disappointment.

That's my thinking, too. One year of 7-4 will be a disappointment. Two years of 7-4 should be a new HC search. No more mediocrity and excuses.

Firing the next HC after two ~7 win seasons would be my ideal. Keep that discontinuity and turmoil rolling!

Why doesn't UM just fire their head coach every year they don't win the championship? Can't bring home a chipper? You gone. It's bound to work at some point. I'd sign up for that.

That's just silly. But, I think most will be able to tell within two seasons whether the new guy can get the job done.

 

[1972]

It seems like on here a lot of people are already making excuses for the new coach. Need time to get their talent in place. I feel like this id just an excuse for getting more time. Great coaches come in and right away coach up the players, and they become very competitive right away. Not saying we should win the natty the first year or two. I feel like we have enough talent, just need to be coached up.

I thought Gresch did very well this year, but if Phillips hadn't gotten hurt we would have won at least two more games this year and possibly three. Lot's of talent on this team in my opinion.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It seems like on here a lot of people are already making excuses for the new coach. Need time to get their talent in place. I feel like this id just an excuse for getting more time. Great coaches come in and right away coach up the players, and they become very competitive right away. Not saying we should win the natty the first year or two. I feel like we have enough talent, just need to be coached up.

I thought Gresch did very well this year, but if Phillips hadn't gotten hurt we would have won at least two more games this year and possibly three. Lot's of talent on this team in my opinion.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

No more excuses. Winners win.

 

[Yukon]

If it's Hauck, he also will most likely bring in JC transfers and drop downs. Stitt was not fond of that to some extent.

Strong, Davidson, Phillips, Hill, Lee, Alexander, Sanders (?), Banks, Shaw, William, Roberts, Taylor, the qb from Blinn, another d-tackle (?), a d-end who came and went. Curran perhaps doesn't count.

Who else?

"Not fond of that to some extent" didn't say, we didn't have any.

 

[Fahque]

It seems like on here a lot of people are already making excuses for the new coach. Need time to get their talent in place. I feel like this id just an excuse for getting more time. Great coaches come in and right away coach up the players, and they become very competitive right away. Not saying we should win the natty the first year or two. I feel like we have enough talent, just need to be coached up.

I thought Gresch did very well this year, but if Phillips hadn't gotten hurt we would have won at least two more games this year and possibly three. Lot's of talent on this team in my opinion.

Isn’t that what the e in eGriz stands for?

 

[Yukon]

If it's Hauck, he also will most likely bring in JC transfers and drop downs. Stitt was not fond of that to some extent.

I counted around 12 guys on our roster who transferred to Montana. I think that's a decent amount.

Never said we didn't have any. Just said Stitt was not fond of it.

 

[1972]

It seems like on here a lot of people are already making excuses for the new coach. Need time to get their talent in place. I feel like this id just an excuse for getting more time. Great coaches come in and right away coach up the players, and they become very competitive right away. Not saying we should win the natty the first year or two. I feel like we have enough talent, just need to be coached up.

I thought Gresch did very well this year, but if Phillips hadn't gotten hurt we would have won at least two more games this year and possibly three. Lot's of talent on this team in my opinion.

Isn’t that what the e in eGriz stands for?

I believe you might have hit the nail on the head!!

Maybe we need to realize what Griz stand for.

 

[PlayerRep]

It seems like on here a lot of people are already making excuses for the new coach. Need time to get their talent in place. I feel like this id just an excuse for getting more time. Great coaches come in and right away coach up the players, and they become very competitive right away. Not saying we should win the natty the first year or two. I feel like we have enough talent, just need to be coached up.

I thought Gresch did very well this year, but if Phillips hadn't gotten hurt we would have won at least two more games this year and possibly three. Lot's of talent on this team in my opinion.

Isn’t that what the e in eGriz stands for?

I believe you might have hit the nail on the head!!

Maybe we need to realize what Griz stand for.

I don't think people are making excuses for the new coach. Those posters are pointing out the hypocrisy of some posters who were willing to give the old coach all the time in the world and make excuses for him, but now, with their guy gone, they want to hold the new coach (not their guy) to a higher standard. Also, some are poking fun at those posters who had a lot of excuses.

I agree that the expectation for Hauck should be higher. My hope and expectation is that he will reasonably well, all things considered, in his first year, and be hitting on all or most cylinders by year 2. By year 3, there should be significant progress to show that UM is moving back towards the top.

I agree with the Phillips comment too. But I also believe it is not acceptable to lose to the Cats 2 years in a row and get knocked out of the playoffs. The expectations at UM are very high.

 

[jodcon]

Whoever it is has to do better than 7-4.

I'm not saying he should be fired otherwise, but that's the standard you set when you fire the coach who did it the year before.

I mean, why make a change if you aren't confident/expecting the new guy to do better?

My opinion: If it's Hauck, I think we'll be in good shape, but anything less than 8-3 will be a bitter disappointment.

That's my thinking, too. One year of 7-4 will be a disappointment. Two years of 7-4 should be a new HC search. No more mediocrity and excuses.

Firing the next HC after two ~7 win seasons would be my ideal. Keep that discontinuity and turmoil rolling!

Why doesn't UM just fire their head coach every year they don't win the championship? Can't bring home a chipper? You gone. It's bound to work at some point. I'd sign up for that.

That's just silly. But, I think most will be able to tell within two seasons whether the new guy can get the job done.

Excellent point, that's why the Cats know they have their man after winning 9 games in 2 years, that guy is a HOF'er.

Here's the difference in 13>9...13 isn't enough for a program with expectations, 9 is great as long as he's a good guy who might have a winning record in 4 or 5 years. Might that is.

But keep spinning how great Choate is.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

That's my thinking, too. One year of 7-4 will be a disappointment. Two years of 7-4 should be a new HC search. No more mediocrity and excuses.

Firing the next HC after two ~7 win seasons would be my ideal. Keep that discontinuity and turmoil rolling!

Why doesn't UM just fire their head coach every year they don't win the championship? Can't bring home a chipper? You gone. It's bound to work at some point. I'd sign up for that.

That's just silly. But, I think most will be able to tell within two seasons whether the new guy can get the job done.

Excellent point, that's why the Cats know they have their man after winning 9 games in 2 years, that guy is a HOF'er.

Here's the difference in 13>9...13 isn't enough for a program with expectations, 9 is great as long as he's a good guy who might have a winning record in 4 or 5 years. Might that is.

But keep spinning how great Choate is.

All of that, and you know ChoachOat will get infinite extensions at 2-9 with wins over the Griz. Cat fans will continue to think he is a good HC and not bland AF.

 

[AZGrizFan]

It seems like on here a lot of people are already making excuses for the new coach. Need time to get their talent in place. I feel like this id just an excuse for getting more time. Great coaches come in and right away coach up the players, and they become very competitive right away. Not saying we should win the natty the first year or two. I feel like we have enough talent, just need to be coached up.

I thought Gresch did very well this year, but if Phillips hadn't gotten hurt we would have won at least two more games this year and possibly three. Lot's of talent on this team in my opinion.

Isn’t that what the e in eGriz stands for?

I believe you might have hit the nail on the head!!

Maybe we need to realize what Griz stand for.

I don't think people are making excuses for the new coach. Those posters are pointing out the hypocrisy of some posters who were willing to give the old coach all the time in the world and make excuses for him, but now, with their guy gone, they want to hold the new coach (not their guy) to a higher standard. Also, some are poking fun at those posters who had a lot of excuses.

I agree that the expectation for Hauck should be higher. My hope and expectation is that he will reasonably well, all things considered, in his first year, and be hitting on all or most cylinders by year 2. By year 3, there should be significant progress to show that UM is moving back towards the top.

I agree with the Phillips comment too. But I also believe it is not acceptable to lose to the Cats 2 years in a row and get knocked out of the playoffs. The expectations at UM are very high.

If the expectations for Hauck aren’t immediately higher, why change coaches at all?

 

[PlayerRep]

Isn’t that what the e in eGriz stands for?

I believe you might have hit the nail on the head!!

Maybe we need to realize what Griz stand for.

I don't think people are making excuses for the new coach. Those posters are pointing out the hypocrisy of some posters who were willing to give the old coach all the time in the world and make excuses for him, but now, with their guy gone, they want to hold the new coach (not their guy) to a higher standard. Also, some are poking fun at those posters who had a lot of excuses.

I agree that the expectation for Hauck should be higher. My hope and expectation is that he will reasonably well, all things considered, in his first year, and be hitting on all or most cylinders by year 2. By year 3, there should be significant progress to show that UM is moving back towards the top.

I agree with the Phillips comment too. But I also believe it is not acceptable to lose to the Cats 2 years in a row and get knocked out of the playoffs. The expectations at UM are very high.

If the expectations for Hauck aren’t immediately higher, why change coaches at all?

Wasn't Stitt not renewed because some people thought that the team was going downhill and not uphill, and it's been 3 years?

"Immediately higher" measured from what?

Yes, it's expected that Hauck will reverse the downward or flat trend immediately, and start it going uphill. If Hauck can't beat the Cats in the first 2 years, and can't make the playoffs in the first 2 years, then I will be surprised and disappointed.

 

[Grizzoola]

All Stitt had to do was beat the Bobcats this season, and he'd still be coach of the Griz. That's simplistic, but I think it was the final nail in the coffin. Someone mentioned the "big donors" influencing Haslam's decision. If that is true, aside from the issue of private parties controlling a state institution, it shows the palpable hatred of Griz donors and fans toward the Bobcats. And, it's shared by the other side toward the Griz. I suspect Stitt was let go because he lost to the Bobcats 2 years in a row, and Choate has maintained his employment for the same reason.

 

[grizrgood]

All Stitt had to do was beat the Bobcats this season, and he'd still be coach of the Griz. That's simplistic, but I think it was the final nail in the coffin. Someone mentioned the "big donors" influencing Haslam's decision. If that is true, aside from the issue of private parties controlling a state institution, it shows the palpable hatred of Griz donors and fans toward the Bobcats. And, it's shared by the other side toward the Griz. I suspect Stitt was let go because he lost to the Bobcats 2 years in a row, and Choate has maintained his employment for the same reason.

Agreed! bobkitty loss was icing on the cake and a tangible reason to make the change for a coach trending downward.

 

[PlayerRep]

All Stitt had to do was beat the Bobcats this season, and he'd still be coach of the Griz. That's simplistic, but I think it was the final nail in the coffin. Someone mentioned the "big donors" influencing Haslam's decision. If that is true, aside from the issue of private parties controlling a state institution, it shows the palpable hatred of Griz donors and fans toward the Bobcats. And, it's shared by the other side toward the Griz. I suspect Stitt was let go because he lost to the Bobcats 2 years in a row, and Choate has maintained his employment for the same reason.

Regarding Choate, my impression is that many Cat fans see him as having a good upward trend so far and as a big improvement over Ash. Don't think Griz fans should underestimate Choate.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

All Stitt had to do was beat the Bobcats this season, and he'd still be coach of the Griz. That's simplistic, but I think it was the final nail in the coffin. Someone mentioned the "big donors" influencing Haslam's decision. If that is true, aside from the issue of private parties controlling a state institution, it shows the palpable hatred of Griz donors and fans toward the Bobcats. And, it's shared by the other side toward the Griz. I suspect Stitt was let go because he lost to the Bobcats 2 years in a row, and Choate has maintained his employment for the same reason.

That's Bobcat thinking. I'd take a .333 winning percentage against the Cats if it meant UM made the playoffs every year. Cat fans would take a .333 overall winning percentage if it meant they beat UM every year.

To PR's point a few posts above, I think if UM misses the tourney the next two years, the new coach needs to be completely reevaluated.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I appreciate the fact there is a crap-ton of satire in this thread.

The expectations for Hauck will be higher than they were for Stitt, and they should be.

Conference Championships, home playoff games, and national semi-finals (at a minimum) form the base of what many will expect. A new winning streak vs the cats is a given.

Hauck should get 3 years to produce, or he should be subject to the same scrutiny as Stitt. That's the way it should be.