Hauck will coach at UM as long as he wants to, could it be 10 years?

[Bobcat99]

Look it up if you want. I posted the stats in another thread on the subject. The Cats seem to be afraid to schedule MV teams, unlike the Griz. The Griz have beaten both of those teams in playoffs in last 3 seasons. Don't think Cats have. Why can't Cats beat them?

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Right. MSU is afraid to schedule MVFC teams. Which is why they had a home and home scheduled with a program that's actually been successful in the MVFC.

Would MSU have beaten UND this year? Undoubtedly. Have they had any problems in recent history beating any MVFC team that they've played with the exception of NDSU and SDSU? No.

MSU has obviously struggled against the DSU's. I think we both know they would have beaten SDSU in a rematch this year. The year they lost to NDSU at home and UM beat NDSU at home, the margins in those games were fairly negligible. You've indicated that a blocked FG is flukey, and wouldn't happen in normal situations, so I'm sure you would agree that when it happened against MSU it's the same, right? I mean, you would want to be consistent. If a couple fluke plays didn't happen, MSU wins that game against NDSU, right? Just trying to be like you, Jack! But yes, MSU has struggled to beat two of the top teams in the nations when they've played.

Perhaps the more relevant question for you, is why can't UM beat MSU? Is it 8 out of the last 10 that MSU has won? That's pretty bad...

 

[HikeGlacier]

Do you count all of the Griz close and good wins as losses? Is that how you do it? I always thought that at the end of the day, you just counted whether it was a win or loss. To me a close win goes in the WIN column.

Do you count the 30 and 34-point losses as blowouts?
2018 - 6-5 overall, 4-4 in conference, loss to Cats by 4 in Missoula
2019 - 10-4 overall, 6-2 in conference, loss to Cats by 34 in Bozeman
2020 - no season
2021 - 10-3 overall, 6-2 in conference, win over Cats by 19 in Missoula
2022 - 8-5 overall, 4-4 conference, loss to Cats by 34 in Bozeman
2023 - 13-2 overall, 7-1 in conference, win over Cats by 30 in Missoula
2024 - 9-5 overall, 5-3 in conference, loss to Cats by 23 in Bozeman
2025 - 13-2 overall, 7-1 in conference, loss to Cats by 3 in Missoula, loss to Cats by 25 in Bozeman

 

[Bobcat99]

Yes. And they haven't done well against SDSU and NSSU either. Are Cats 0-3 against them in playoffs in last 3 seasons?

I believe so. Interesting cut off in time lines that I'm sure has nothing to do with MSU beating SDSU in 2021 in the playoffs. Why 3 seasons instead of 4?

 

[mthoopsfan]

2018 - 6-5 overall, 4-4 in conference, loss to Cats by 4 in Missoula
2019 - 10-4 overall, 6-2 in conference, loss to Cats by 34 in Bozeman
2020 - no season
2021 - 10-3 overall, 6-2 in conference, win over Cats by 19 in Missoula
2022 - 8-5 overall, 4-4 conference, loss to Cats by 34 in Bozeman
2023 - 13-2 overall, 7-1 in conference, win over Cats by 30 in Missoula
2024 - 9-5 overall, 5-3 in conference, loss to Cats by 23 in Bozeman
2025 - 13-2 overall, 7-1 in conference, loss to Cats by 3 in Missoula, loss to Cats by 25 in Bozeman.

Since the 2019 season, 63-21, which obviously includes the playoffs. So, 6 losses there.

35-9 in past 3 seasons, with 3 of the losses in the playoffs.

4th best program in FCS over that period. Best attendance of that group of 4. Best and most exciting crowd. Most home games for the fans and the Missoula businesses.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Have they done that when it really counted?

0-5 in NC games.. when things really matter.

Bobby, replenish the tanks in the trenches.

Lose the 3-3-5

Yes, it counted both years of the playoffs. The member of the cheer squad I knew, knew alot more about football than you do. The 3-3-5 keeps the Griz near the top of FCS. Maybe you don't care about losing a bunch more games, but I do.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I believe so. Interesting cut off in time lines that I'm sure has nothing to do with MSU beating SDSU in 2021 in the playoffs. Why 3 seasons instead of 4?

Because Griz finally got rolling 3 seasons ago, after Bobby came back. 4 seasons ago was the Griz' 2d worst season since Bobby returned. My measurement starts when the Griz finally got rolling under Bobby.

But we can go back to 1985 for Griz/Cat games and Big Sky championships and playoff appearances if that's what you want.

Or, you can just use Bobby's 2 worst seasons if that makes you feel better. But you should put that on Bobcat Nation and not waste our time over here.

 

[5280Griz]

So because MSU hasn't played UND since 2019, with a completely different coach and roster, that means MSU can't beat UND? What kind of twisted logic is this?

UND this year is a lot better than UND in 2019 and if you look at the makeup of the current UND team, a lot of it is in the same mold as NDSU and SDSU focusing on strong players in the trenches which MSU has struggled against. The difference I see with UND compared to NDSU and SDSU excluding the Mason injury is UND’s qb play was inconsistent and their special teams were poor.

 

[Bobcat99]

UND this year is a lot better than UND in 2019 and if you look at the makeup of the current UND team, a lot of it is in the same mold as NDSU and SDSU focusing on strong players in the trenches which MSU has struggled against. The difference I see with UND compared to NDSU and SDSU excluding the Mason injury is UND’s qb play was inconsistent and their special teams were poor.

MSU this year is a lot better than MSU in 2019.

I think what's more likely is UND this year wasn't as good as many thought. They got stomped by Tarleton, who was a paper tiger.

So, I'll put it this way. Under Vigen, which MVFC teams has MSU lost to other than the DSU's?

 

[5280Griz]

MSU this year is a lot better than MSU in 2019.

I think what's more likely is UND this year wasn't as good as many thought. They got stomped by Tarleton, who was a paper tiger.

So, I'll put it this way. Under Vigen, which MVFC teams has MSU lost to other than the DSU's?

Which FCS teams besides UM and DSU has MSU lost to under Vigen? Are there any?

 

[Bobcat99]

Because Griz finally got rolling 3 seasons ago, after Bobby came back. 4 seasons ago was the Griz' 2d worst season since Bobby returned. My measurement starts when the Griz finally got rolling under Bobby.

But we can go back to 1985 for Griz/Cat games and Big Sky championships and playoff appearances if that's what you want.

Or, you can just use Bobby's 2 worst seasons if that makes you feel better. But you should put that on Bobcat Nation and not waste our time over here.

The 2021 season UM made it to the quarters. 2022 and 2024 were both worse seasons overall. Finished ranked #6 after finishing #6 the prior full season. Funny how UM had worse seasons after Bobby got things rolling than before.

 

[5280Griz]

Which FCS teams besides UM and DSU has MSU lost to under Vigen? Are there any?

I found one loss to Idaho. That’s it, the Cats are undefeated under Vigen against all FCS teams besides DSU, 2 losses to UM and 1 loss to Idaho. Idaho was ranked top 10 at the time under Jason Eck.

 

[Bobcat99]

Which FCS teams besides UM and DSU has MSU lost to under Vigen? Are there any?

Idaho a few years ago, otherwise no. Which is why saying that MSU struggles against the MVFC is stupid. They've struggled against two teams, period. Both of those teams have won every FCS championship for the past decade or so except for when JMU won. While frustrating and annoying, I just don't see the point to the argument. I guess Jack thinks it makes up for UM losing to MSU for some reason? Idk.

 

[kemajic]

Idaho a few years ago, otherwise no. Which is why saying that MSU struggles against the MVFC is stupid. They've struggled against two teams, period. Both of those teams have won every FCS championship for the past decade or so except for when JMU won. While frustrating and annoying, I just don't see the point to the argument. I guess Jack thinks it makes up for UM losing to MSU for some reason? Idk.

Hard to miss the point that Montana has beaten both NDSU and SDSU in playoffs and MSDUI hasn't.

 

[kemajic]

The 2021 season UM made it to the quarters.

And beat top 20 and PAC preseason favorite Udub.

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

Do you count all of the Griz close and good wins as losses? Is that how you do it? I always thought that at the end of the day, you just counted whether it was a win or loss. To me a close win goes in the WIN column.

I never said anything like that but i'm pretty sure you're just being purposely obtuse due to being incapable of arguing my points.

 

[BillingsMafia]

All you bobby fans must not have to deal with these obnoxious low class cat fans like I do. Keeping a coach that cannot beat a decent team on the road is idiotic. What is wrong with you people? Football is a athletic competition, you are either good enough or not, Hell bobby will tell you he isn't good enough if someone asked him. Don't believe me ask him.

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

Hard to miss the point that Montana has beaten both NDSU and SDSU in playoffs and MSDUI hasn't.

And that helps us how when we can't beat MSU? And even then we are 1-1 vs NDSU and 1-2 against SDSU for an overall record of 2-3 vs the Dakota States since 2022 so we're by no means dominating them.

 

[BillingsMafia]

And beat top 20 and PAC preseason favorite Udub.

talk about a unicorn, that was a unicorn.
hey if bobby beats the cats next year I'll dine on crow and admit you bobby keepers know way more than I ever will. I'd actually enjoy that but we all know its not going to happen.

 

[5280Griz]

And beat top 20 and PAC preseason favorite Udub.

That was a fun game and a big win for the program. The most recent FCS win over a ranked at the time FBS team. That being said, your statement is misleading because that Washington team finished the season 4-8. They were not nearly as good as predicted in preseason.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Idaho a few years ago, otherwise no. Which is why saying that MSU struggles against the MVFC is stupid. They've struggled against two teams, period. Both of those teams have won every FCS championship for the past decade or so except for when JMU won. While frustrating and annoying, I just don't see the point to the argument. I guess Jack thinks it makes up for UM losing to MSU for some reason? Idk.

MSU does struggle against MV schools. It's a fact. No, has nothing to do with Griz/Cat. It just shows what it says. Cats can't be the Dakota and MV schools. Again, it's a fact. Black and White. You just don't want to admit it.