Hauck takes a break from recruiting

[CDAGRIZ]

A text from Bobby: "A very nice deal tonight."

Stark contrast to the text Bobby received from Griz Stud: "You up?"

I gave Craig and Dave D an email introduction to my friend and teammate, who is in the Hall of Fame. Here is my friend's email back. My friend got an award too. See below.

1. "Thanks for the introduction. I will definitely find the Dickenson brothers as we celebrate Dave’s induction, specifically, and football, generally. Buddy Teevins will be there as well. So we can give him some grief about missing out on Dave. [I tried to get Dartmouth to recruit Dave.]

I am headed to New York Sunday. I host a lunch at the 21 Club each year the day of the induction. It is in the Harbor Room at noon on Tuesday, December 4. If you and Dave want to join the group...love to have you. We are having Mack Brown as a special guest....and lots of Hall of Famers....all in....about 40 special people.....friends, fans, coaches. Admiral William McRaven(he lead the group that ultimately got Osama bin Laden) will be there....as part of the University of Texas contingent. It is a celebration of football at a great venue. You would enjoy it.

My sincere congratulations to Dave.....enjoy the moment."

2. "Murry Bowden Named 2018 NFF Outstanding Contribution to Amateur Football Award Recipient

The College Football Hall of Famer and Atlanta Hall Management Chairman will be recognized at the 61st NFF Annual Awards Dinner on Dec. 4 in New York City."

""You learn leadership qualities in football," Bowden said. "People are looking for somebody to say, 'Let's go take this mountain.' It is a little bit inspiration, a little bit intellectualism and a lot of brute force. I just think it's a great sport. It's a very difficult sport, but it's played a big role in my development from growing up on a ranch in West Texas all the way to the Ivy League. It helped me get there."

"Bowden guided the Big Green to the Ivy League title in both his junior and senior seasons, the first two of an eventual string of five consecutive Ivy crowns. The undefeated 1970 team (9-0) was the last Ivy League school to be ranked among the nation's top 20 teams, as the Big Green finished 13th and 14th in the two major polls. That season, the Dartmouth defense ranked in the nation's top 10 in seven statistical categories, including first in scoring defense and second in total defense.

Bowden was a team captain and earned First Team All-America honors during his senior season in 1970. His other accolades included the Sport Magazine Athlete of the Month Award."

https://footballfoundation.org/news/2018/8/27/murry-bowden-named-2018-nff-outstanding-contribution-to-amateur-football-award-recipient.aspx

All cool stuff, PR.
I was just making a Growler (who is now back on eGriz as "Griz Stud") joke.

 

[PlayerRep]

From the hall of fame website:

PLAYERS:

TWO NFF National Scholar-Athletes (Dickenson, Stinchcomb)
ONE Heisman Trophy winner (Woodson)
SEVEN multi-year First Team All-Americans (Dickenson – 2, Howard – 2, Johnson – 2, Reed – 2, Stinchcomb – 2, Taylor – 2, Woodson – 2)
SEVEN winners of college football major awards (Cobb – Doak Walker; Collins – Maxwell, Davey O’Brien; Dickenson – Walter Payton; Howard – Butkus; Johnson – Biletnikoff; Taylor – Outland; Woodson – Walter Camp, Bednarik, Nagurski, Thorpe)
SIX national championships (Dickenson, Reed, Taylor – 3, Woodson)
SEVEN conference players of the year (Cobb, Collins, Dickenson – 3, Howard – 2, Johnson, Reed, Woodson – 2)
FIVE members of conference championship teams (Collins, Dickenson – 2, Reed – 2, Taylor – 3, Woodson)
SEVEN players who still hold school records (Cobb, Collins, Dickenson, Howard, Johnson, Palmer, Reed)

 

[PlayerRep]

A text from Bobby: "A very nice deal tonight."

Stark contrast to the text Bobby received from Griz Stud: "You up?"

I gave Craig and Dave D an email introduction to my friend and teammate, who is in the Hall of Fame. Here is my friend's email back. My friend got an award too. See below.

1. "Thanks for the introduction. I will definitely find the Dickenson brothers as we celebrate Dave’s induction, specifically, and football, generally. Buddy Teevins will be there as well. So we can give him some grief about missing out on Dave. [I tried to get Dartmouth to recruit Dave.]

I am headed to New York Sunday. I host a lunch at the 21 Club each year the day of the induction. It is in the Harbor Room at noon on Tuesday, December 4. If you and Dave want to join the group...love to have you. We are having Mack Brown as a special guest....and lots of Hall of Famers....all in....about 40 special people.....friends, fans, coaches. Admiral William McRaven(he lead the group that ultimately got Osama bin Laden) will be there....as part of the University of Texas contingent. It is a celebration of football at a great venue. You would enjoy it.

My sincere congratulations to Dave.....enjoy the moment."

2. "Murry Bowden Named 2018 NFF Outstanding Contribution to Amateur Football Award Recipient

The College Football Hall of Famer and Atlanta Hall Management Chairman will be recognized at the 61st NFF Annual Awards Dinner on Dec. 4 in New York City."

""You learn leadership qualities in football," Bowden said. "People are looking for somebody to say, 'Let's go take this mountain.' It is a little bit inspiration, a little bit intellectualism and a lot of brute force. I just think it's a great sport. It's a very difficult sport, but it's played a big role in my development from growing up on a ranch in West Texas all the way to the Ivy League. It helped me get there."

"Bowden guided the Big Green to the Ivy League title in both his junior and senior seasons, the first two of an eventual string of five consecutive Ivy crowns. The undefeated 1970 team (9-0) was the last Ivy League school to be ranked among the nation's top 20 teams, as the Big Green finished 13th and 14th in the two major polls. That season, the Dartmouth defense ranked in the nation's top 10 in seven statistical categories, including first in scoring defense and second in total defense.

Bowden was a team captain and earned First Team All-America honors during his senior season in 1970. His other accolades included the Sport Magazine Athlete of the Month Award."

https://footballfoundation.org/news/2018/8/27/murry-bowden-named-2018-nff-outstanding-contribution-to-amateur-football-award-recipient.aspx

All cool stuff, PR.
I was just making a Growler (who is now back on eGriz as "Griz Stud") joke.

Yup, I knew that. I just wanted to respond to a friendly friend like you.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Stark contrast to the text Bobby received from Griz Stud: "You up?"

I gave Craig and Dave D an email introduction to my friend and teammate, who is in the Hall of Fame. Here is my friend's email back. My friend got an award too. See below.

1. "Thanks for the introduction. I will definitely find the Dickenson brothers as we celebrate Dave’s induction, specifically, and football, generally. Buddy Teevins will be there as well. So we can give him some grief about missing out on Dave. [I tried to get Dartmouth to recruit Dave.]

I am headed to New York Sunday. I host a lunch at the 21 Club each year the day of the induction. It is in the Harbor Room at noon on Tuesday, December 4. If you and Dave want to join the group...love to have you. We are having Mack Brown as a special guest....and lots of Hall of Famers....all in....about 40 special people.....friends, fans, coaches. Admiral William McRaven(he lead the group that ultimately got Osama bin Laden) will be there....as part of the University of Texas contingent. It is a celebration of football at a great venue. You would enjoy it.

My sincere congratulations to Dave.....enjoy the moment."

2. "Murry Bowden Named 2018 NFF Outstanding Contribution to Amateur Football Award Recipient

The College Football Hall of Famer and Atlanta Hall Management Chairman will be recognized at the 61st NFF Annual Awards Dinner on Dec. 4 in New York City."

""You learn leadership qualities in football," Bowden said. "People are looking for somebody to say, 'Let's go take this mountain.' It is a little bit inspiration, a little bit intellectualism and a lot of brute force. I just think it's a great sport. It's a very difficult sport, but it's played a big role in my development from growing up on a ranch in West Texas all the way to the Ivy League. It helped me get there."

"Bowden guided the Big Green to the Ivy League title in both his junior and senior seasons, the first two of an eventual string of five consecutive Ivy crowns. The undefeated 1970 team (9-0) was the last Ivy League school to be ranked among the nation's top 20 teams, as the Big Green finished 13th and 14th in the two major polls. That season, the Dartmouth defense ranked in the nation's top 10 in seven statistical categories, including first in scoring defense and second in total defense.

Bowden was a team captain and earned First Team All-America honors during his senior season in 1970. His other accolades included the Sport Magazine Athlete of the Month Award."

https://footballfoundation.org/news/2018/8/27/murry-bowden-named-2018-nff-outstanding-contribution-to-amateur-football-award-recipient.aspx

All cool stuff, PR.
I was just making a Growler (who is now back on eGriz as "Griz Stud") joke.

Yup, I knew that. I just wanted to respond to a friendly friend like you.

:thumb:

 

[sdk.catfish]

I don't have a horrendous problem with his fawning over DD and what used to be. But that was 23 years ago. If I was a student at UM, with my faculty adviser laid off, my favorite professor laid off or my major eliminated I would have a problem with UM paying for not one, but two individuals attending the ceremony which was partly about Dickenson's achievements at UM, but also about his achievements as player and coach in the CFL. I don't buy a bunch of posters crap that Hauck and Haslem's attendance will make jack shit difference in recruiting as recruits don't give a crap about what happened last century. Marketing? Please, there is no lasting marketing in this endeavor. If UM athletics don't make an attempt at the austerity of the rest of the rest of the University has to deal with then they are out of touch. Many UM students don't care much about UM athletics but care about their degree and their future. Spending money on DD's accolades may be important to E-griz but doesn't make any sense to most students. Put in a family finance way, you might want to go to the Bahama's or Boston for a vacation but you may only have money to go to Butte. What happens if negative reactions from the Missoulain and Kaiman are forthcoming and potential recruits read that. One poster was kind of right in that this is a no brainer - there was no brain power invested in sending one person, moreover two to this ceremony.

 

[kyle_sample]

So is Hauck paying for this little jaunt on his own dime or are Montana taxpayers paying for it?

I know! If I had to pay $0.0015 toward that flight I'm gonna be pissed

 

[PlayerRep]

I don't have a horrendous problem with his fawning over DD and what used to be. But that was 23 years ago. If I was a student at UM, with my faculty adviser laid off, my favorite professor laid off or my major eliminated I would have a problem with UM paying for not one, but two individuals attending the ceremony which was partly about Dickenson's achievements at UM, but also about his achievements as player and coach in the CFL. I don't buy a bunch of posters crap that Hauck and Haslem's attendance will make jack shit difference in recruiting as recruits don't give a crap about what happened last century. Marketing? Please, there is no lasting marketing in this endeavor. If UM athletics don't make an attempt at the austerity of the rest of the rest of the University has to deal with then they are out of touch. Many UM students don't care much about UM athletics but care about their degree and their future. Spending money on DD's accolades may be important to E-griz but doesn't make any sense to most students. Put in a family finance way, you might want to go to the Bahama's or Boston for a vacation but you may only have money to go to Butte. What happens if negative reactions from the Missoulain and Kaiman are forthcoming and potential recruits read that. One poster was kind of right in that this is a no brainer - there was no brain power invested in sending one person, moreover two to this ceremony.

It was very important for UM to be represented at this event. I'm glad Hauck and Haslam were sent. Even the people they met and rubbed shoulders with was worth the price of admissions. It's a huge accomplishment and accolade for both Dickenson and the Univ of Montana to have someone in this Hall of Fame. It's almost as big as the MT Indian Athletic Hall of Fame.

The athletic dept deciding to pay funds for the trip/event had absolutely zero impact on professors, majors, and students. Zero. It was money from the athletic department, not the academic side of UM. And, the football department is net positive to UM finances, not a drain.

There is nothing that happened last century. This award was presented in 2018. Montana and Montana football has received alot of very good press from Dave's selection.

 

[sdk.catfish]

I know! If I had to pay $0.0015 toward that flight I'm gonna be pissed

Please elaborate because I could be wrong that this was paid for from UM. Maybe your saying that as a taxpayer my portion was .00015 but even that, from my perspective is too much when UM programs are going unfunded. Can you provide an itemized invoice of what this trip for Hauck and Haslem really cost? In your opinion was it really necessary to send anybody, much less two, and wouldn't a congratulatory note from Bodner sufficed? If I am wrong about the appearance of this I will admit it and if somebody, other than the UM or the State of Montana, paid for the flight, hotel, meals etc then please elaborate and I will eat crow. But I do ask a little indulgence here in my opinion that most taxpayers in Montana don't really care whether Hauck or Haslem were there or not. There have been plenty of UM graduates that have received professional accolades of which I am one. I don't recall any UM official attending those ceremonies. So is it only athletics that count?

 

[BWahlberg]

Smh. Do you guys really think he is the only coach we have that recruits. This place is absolutely borderline personality disorder.

Well Coach Baer sure in hell does not do any recruiting.

I will say It has been very quiet on recruiting since Saturday when other schools are openly active. Maybe there is something behind the scenes but I think it’s a fair criticism especially if early recruiting falls flat. I withhold judgment until then.

I’m in SoCal for the week on a family trip. In disney on Monday we run into people that notice I’m in Griz gear and they proceed to let me know their son (as well as some others) have their official visit to Missoula this week. Suffice to say? seems they’re after it.

That aside, great event for Dave and I thought it was fitting that we would send a representation for it. This is a super rare thing for a “small” school like us.

 

[sdk.catfish]

Post by PlayerRep » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:45 pm
The athletic dept deciding to pay funds for the trip/event had absolutely zero impact on professors, majors, and students. Zero. It was money from the athletic department, not the academic side of UM. And, the football department is net positive to UM finances, not a drain.

Interesting opinion PR. So your saying that the athletic department is essentially separate from the University and isn't subject to the financial constraints of a shrinking academic budget as long as athletic boosters (kind of like your previous post of today) support athletic programs first. Maybe we should just have a couple programs, more or less depending on your perspective, that are disassociated with academic programs and become basically a semi-pro vehicle to fuel the NFL. Will the players be paid under this scenario? I become more and more disillusioned with college athletics by the moment.

 

[kemajic]

I know! If I had to pay $0.0015 toward that flight I'm gonna be pissed

Please elaborate because I could be wrong that this was paid for from UM. Maybe your saying that as a taxpayer my portion was .00015 but even that, from my perspective is too much when UM programs are going unfunded. Can you provide an itemized invoice of what this trip for Hauck and Haslem really cost? In your opinion was it really necessary to send anybody, much less two, and wouldn't a congratulatory note from Bodner sufficed? If I am wrong about the appearance of this I will admit it and if somebody, other than the UM or the State of Montana, paid for the flight, hotel, meals etc then please elaborate and I will eat crow. But I do ask a little indulgence here in my opinion that most taxpayers in Montana don't really care whether Hauck or Haslem were there or not. There have been plenty of UM graduates that have received professional accolades of which I am one. I don't recall any UM official attending those ceremonies. So is it only athletics that count?

I'm sure your accolades were a nationally recognized hall of fame induction, too. So unfair. As far as your concern for state funding of this event, as has been pointed out, this dime comes from the AD which lives off ticket revenue and booster support. The state support for the AD is almost exclusively in the form of scholarships booked at full cost, when they are in fact incremental. But your whining is keeping the thread going.

 

[ilovethecats]

Post by PlayerRep » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:45 pm
The athletic dept deciding to pay funds for the trip/event had absolutely zero impact on professors, majors, and students. Zero. It was money from the athletic department, not the academic side of UM. And, the football department is net positive to UM finances, not a drain.

Interesting opinion PR. So your saying that the athletic department is essentially separate from the University and isn't subject to the financial constraints of a shrinking academic budget as long as athletic boosters (kind of like your previous post of today) support athletic programs first. Maybe we should just have a couple programs, more or less depending on your perspective, that are disassociated with academic programs and become basically a semi-pro vehicle to fuel the NFL. Will the players be paid under this scenario? I become more and more disillusioned with college athletics by the moment.

At almost all schools boosters and donors can choose for their contributions to go solely to things like this. Basically, any time money like this is spent, it’s spent EXACTLY how the person giving the money wanted it to be spent.

Pretty cool event for these guys to be a part of by the way.

 

[sdk.catfish]

by kemajic » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:12 pm
I'm sure your accolades were a nationally recognized hall of fame induction, too. So unfair. But your whining is keeping the thread going.

Lots of people complain over government waste so if that is your point then I am guilty. I'm just not sure whether induction into the college football hall of fame is really that important to the UM students attempting to get a degree in an environment where academic funding continues to be cut. I'm pretty sure it isn't a priority to all the people just trying to make it from paycheck to paycheck. If it is your priority then donate to UM athletics. I donate to the College or Arts and Sciences. I used to care about UM football - not so much an more as I think the UM has more important issues to deal with. That Bodner would fund two travel positions to this event in my opinion is irresponsible.

 

[sdk.catfish]

Post by PlayerRep » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:45 pm
The athletic dept deciding to pay funds for the trip/event had absolutely zero impact on professors, majors, and students. Zero. It was money from the athletic department, not the academic side of UM. And, the football department is net positive to UM finances, not a drain.

I shouldn't even post this because I'm pissed off and that isn't conducive to good posts. But PR suggests that the athletic department is somehow removed from the rest of the University's budget because the "athletic department" is somehow removed from the "academic" side. Really? And the football department is a net positive so we should somehow just ignore how demeaning athletic funding, including this wasteful travel for two individuals to the hall of fame ceremony, Many, probably most, student don't give a rat's ass about athletics and just want to get a degree from a university that has a healthy differential between athletics from academics. Sorry, I don't buy it and as the University academic reputation is reduced there very may be a reduction in the athletic departments ability to recruit the type of athletes many of you say you want or are expecting. Sometimes I think that Cruzado should manage both universities

 

[AZGrizFan]

Post by PlayerRep » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:45 pm
The athletic dept deciding to pay funds for the trip/event had absolutely zero impact on professors, majors, and students. Zero. It was money from the athletic department, not the academic side of UM. And, the football department is net positive to UM finances, not a drain.

I shouldn't even post this because I'm pissed off and that isn't conducive to good posts. But PR suggests that the athletic department is somehow removed from the rest of the University's budget because the "athletic department" is somehow removed from the "academic" side. Really? And the football department is a net positive so we should somehow just ignore how demeaning athletic funding, including this wasteful travel for two individuals to the hall of fame ceremony, Many, probably most, student don't give a rat's ass about athletics and just want to get a degree from a university that has a healthy differential between athletics from academics. Sorry, I don't buy it and as the University academic reputation is reduced there very may be a reduction in the athletic departments ability to recruit the type of athletes many of you say you want or are expecting. Sometimes I think that Cruzado should manage both universities

Good lord. I think I’m going to call the Associate AD and have my donation directed to pay for this trip so people like sdk can just STFU about it.

I can not BELIEVE how wrapped around the axle some folks are getting about this. THIS IS A POSITIVE!!! THIS IS GOOD NEWS!!! I swear some of you wouldn’t know a good thing if it crawled up on your face and wriggled.

 

[sdk.catfish]

by AZGrizFan » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:50 pm

Good lord. I think I’m going to call the Associate AD and have my donation directed to pay for this trip so people like sdk can just STFU about it.

AZ - please do, I think that is a great idea. If these extravagances were privately funded I would have less problem with it. But I hope you would consider an equal expenditure to the academic side of UM which in the long run will be much more beneficial that a feel good trip to DC which nobody, other than old alumni or hangers on with football interests give a rats ass about.

 

[Paytonlives]

Fellas... This has become FUBAR

Hauck has every right to take a day off and go to an event that
WILL PROBABLY NEVER HAPPEN FOR A UM PLAYER AGAIN!!!

Lighten up!!!!

 

[AZGrizFan]

by AZGrizFan » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:50 pm

Good lord. I think I’m going to call the Associate AD and have my donation directed to pay for this trip so people like sdk can just STFU about it.

AZ - please do, I think that is a great idea. If these extravagances were privately funded I would have less problem with it. But I hope you would consider an equal expenditure to the academic side of UM which in the long run will be much more beneficial that a feel good trip to DC which nobody, other than old alumni or hangers on with football interests give a rats ass about.

It’s the best fucking marketing the university has done in 5 years.

 

[George Ferguson]

by kemajic » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:12 pm
I'm sure your accolades were a nationally recognized hall of fame induction, too. So unfair. But your whining is keeping the thread going.

Lots of people complain over government waste so if that is your point then I am guilty. I'm just not sure whether induction into the college football hall of fame is really that important to the UM students attempting to get a degree in an environment where academic funding continues to be cut. I'm pretty sure it isn't a priority to all the people just trying to make it from paycheck to paycheck. If it is your priority then donate to UM athletics. I donate to the College or Arts and Sciences. I used to care about UM football - not so much an more as I think the UM has more important issues to deal with. That Bodner would fund two travel positions to this event in my opinion is irresponsible.

Than why have you posted over 400 times on a message board devoted solely to Montana Grizzlies Football and Montana Athletics? Seems strange for someone that doesn't care about Griz football to be a registered user on a GRIZ FOOTBALL SITE.

Also, the Hall of Fame trip wasn't just a UM publicity move. Dave and Bobby are very close friends.

Also, you have another statement ass backwards. Dave's induction into the Hall of Fame has almost EVERYTHING to do with his time at Montana, and very little to do with his playing and coaching days in the CFL. IT'S THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME for crying out loud!!! If Dave had had a lesser career as a Griz, but the exact same career in the CFL, he would not have been a candidate for the COLLEGE FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME. SMH

 

[sdk.catfish]

by AZGrizFan » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:02 pm

It’s the best fucking marketing the university has done in 5 years.

With all due respect AZ who are you marketing to. Recruits, at least in my opinion, don't give two shits about what happened at UM 23 years ago. I doubt if one potential recruit watched this show and I don't blame them for that. The past is the past. A large poster of Hauck and DD in the Championship Center means exactly what? If this is the best marketing in 5 years, and you may unfortunately be right, then we are in big fucking trouble.