Hauck no longer coasting on Bob Stitt Recruits

[Buttegrizzle]

We all bashed Stitt because his system innovation failed in this conference. But the simple fact remains he (like Pflugrad and Delaney) out recruited Hauck across the board. Wanna argue? Look at the players Bobby succeeded with and who brought them in. Hauck has failed the recruiting game verses BSC and it shows. Sure they got some gems-even a blind pig finds a few truffles. The thing is, compared to the conference and broader FCS, UM has the support of fans, the city, has the great facilities, the institutional expectations and the legacy…this shit should recruit itself.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

We all bashed Stitt because his system innovation failed in this conference. But the simple fact remains he (like Pflugrad and Delaney) out recruited Hauck across the board. Wanna argue? Look at the players Bobby succeeded with and who brought them in. Hauck has failed the recruiting game verses BSC and it shows. Sure they got some gems-even a blind pig finds a few truffles. The thing is, compared to the conference and broader FCS, UM has the support of fans, the city, has the great facilities, the institutional expectations and the legacy…this poop should recruit itself.

The only thing Stitt recruited well was receivers. I don't for a second believe that Stitt out recruited Hauck across the board.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Gresch Jensen and Reese Phillips were better than any Hauck 2.0 QBs. Hauck sure coasted on the backs of some of Stitt’s Oline recruits like Beaver, Langoria, the Demmings and guys like Jace Lewis, Welnel, etc. Toure and Akem alone represent a level not seen by a Hauck 2.0 class.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Gresch Jensen and Reese Phillips were better than any Hauck 2.0 QBs. Hauck sure coasted on the backs of some of Stitt’s Oline recruits like Beaver, Langoria, the Demmings and guys like Jace Lewis, Welnel, etc. Toure and Akem alone represent a level not seen by a Hauck 2.0 class.

I would argue that Dalton Sneed was better, but for a guy that ran Gustafson out on the field over and over, not sure the QB play is the hill that I would want to stand on. I would also argue that the OL under Stitt wasn't great, and neither of the Demmings played OL.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Of course about the Demmings but I was making the point that Stitt brought in quality guys at various positions besides offense. My main point is he had rapport with students and recruited some high quality players without the drama. Even with his mediocre record he managed to keep a shine on the caddy. Gustafson was in because of injuries. But before you die on that hill check out his stats.

Completed 65.6 percent of his passes as a senior (260-for-396), making his completion rate the seventh-best in UM history … Averaged 28.89 completions per game as a senior, the second-best percentage in all of FCS football … Also passed for an average of 309.4 yards per game in 2016, the sixth-most nationally

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Gresch Jensen and Reese Phillips were better than any Hauck 2.0 QBs. Hauck sure coasted on the backs of some of Stitt’s Oline recruits like Beaver, Langoria, the Demmings and guys like Jace Lewis, Welnel, etc. Toure and Akem alone represent a level not seen by a Hauck 2.0 class.

I would argue that Dalton Sneed was better, but for a guy that ran Gustafson out on the field over and over, not sure the QB play is the hill that I would want to stand on. I would also argue that the OL under Stitt wasn't great, and neither of the Demmings played OL.

Gustafson somehow accomplished something no Hauck team ever will - beating a top ranked NDSU team in their prime.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Of course about the Demmings but I was making the point that Stitt brought in quality guys at various positions besides offense. My main point is he had rapport with students and recruited some high quality players without the drama. Even with his mediocre record he managed to keep a shine on the caddy. Gustafson was in because of injuries. But before you die on that hill check out his stats.

Completed 65.6 percent of his passes as a senior (260-for-396), making his completion rate the seventh-best in UM history … Averaged 28.89 completions per game as a senior, the second-best percentage in all of FCS football … Also passed for an average of 309.4 yards per game in 2016, the sixth-most nationally

Stitt didn't keep the "shine on the caddy". We can just agree to disagree. To note, I am not defending Hauck, but trying to use Stitt as the basis of your narrative on recruiting is laughable.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I would argue that Dalton Sneed was better, but for a guy that ran Gustafson out on the field over and over, not sure the QB play is the hill that I would want to stand on. I would also argue that the OL under Stitt wasn't great, and neither of the Demmings played OL.

Gustafson somehow accomplished something no Hauck team ever will - beating a top ranked NDSU team in their prime.

The single highlight of the Stitt years. Congrats. And it was done with the previous coaches recruits.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

That we are talking about this now is indicative of how far the program has fallen. Honestly last week was as bad a performance as I’ve seen as a Griz fan, and I was at the 2016 Northern Colorado game. I’m looking back at that 2016 schedule now and watching some clips of the games, and that 2016 team looks better than the 2023 team…….woof.

 

[AZGrizFan]

That we are talking about this now is indicative of how far the program has fallen. Honestly last week was as bad a performance as I’ve seen as a Griz fan, and I was at the 2016 Northern Colorado game. I’m looking back at that 2016 schedule now and watching some clips of the games, and that 2016 team looks better than the 2023 team…….woof.

I was at that game as well, hm.grwn. It was the exact moment Stitt lost me as a supporter. And Saturday was the exact moment Bobby put the final nail in his coffin AFAIC. No more money from me, no more season tickets, no more trips to Missoula until he and his batch of fishing buddies are put out to pasture. I'm taking the "Kem" approach...I'm just one small donor, but it's gotta start somewhere. I'm done with this weekly shitshow. Done with perennial underperforming. Done with getting blown out by average teams. Done with the excuses. Done with hearing "we've got work to do"...

Done. I'll still watch, tangentially, from afar, but I shall not be as invested as I have been until something material changes, and not just another rearranging of the deck chairs...

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

That we are talking about this now is indicative of how far the program has fallen. Honestly last week was as bad a performance as I’ve seen as a Griz fan, and I was at the 2016 Northern Colorado game. I’m looking back at that 2016 schedule now and watching some clips of the games, and that 2016 team looks better than the 2023 team…….woof.

I was at that game as well, hm.grwn. It was the exact moment Stitt lost me as a supporter. And Saturday was the exact moment Bobby put the final nail in his coffin AFAIC. No more money from me, no more season tickets, no more trips to Missoula until he and his batch of fishing buddies are put out to pasture. I'm taking the "Kem" approach...I'm just one small donor, but it's gotta start somewhere. I'm done with this weekly poop. Done with perennial underperforming. Done with getting blown out by average teams. Done with the excuses. Done with hearing "we've got work to do"...

Done. I'll still watch, tangentially, from afar, but I shall not be as invested as I have been until something material changes, and not just another rearranging of the deck chairs...

Same. Canceled my two remaining trips to Missoula and hotel reservations for the season. I’m over it. Not worth all the money on hotels, gas and tickets when the product the coaching staff puts out there is so bad…. I cannot justify the expense, and like you said, it’s the one way that I can protest the status quo.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Of course about the Demmings but I was making the point that Stitt brought in quality guys at various positions besides offense. My main point is he had rapport with students and recruited some high quality players without the drama. Even with his mediocre record he managed to keep a shine on the caddy. Gustafson was in because of injuries. But before you die on that hill check out his stats.

Completed 65.6 percent of his passes as a senior (260-for-396), making his completion rate the seventh-best in UM history … Averaged 28.89 completions per game as a senior, the second-best percentage in all of FCS football … Also passed for an average of 309.4 yards per game in 2016, the sixth-most nationally

Stitt didn't keep the "shine on the caddy". We can just agree to disagree. To note, I am not defending Hauck, but trying to use Stitt as the basis of your narrative on recruiting is laughable.

The fact that a coach with Stitt’s pedestrian overall record out recruited the vaunted Bobby Hauck is sad, not laughable. Not saying the Caddy was drivable under Stitt but at least it was shiny. Now it’s up on blocks.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Stitt didn't keep the "shine on the caddy". We can just agree to disagree. To note, I am not defending Hauck, but trying to use Stitt as the basis of your narrative on recruiting is laughable.

The fact that a coach with Stitt’s pedestrian overall record out recruited the vaunted Bobby Hauck is sad, not laughable. Not saying the Caddy was drivable under Stitt but at least it was shiny. Now it’s up on blocks.

Here is the thing, I don't for a second believe that Stitt out recruited anyone. You are offering 2 different $hit sandwiches, one with lettuce and one with tomato. In the end does it matter, they are still 2 $hit sandwiches.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

The fact that a coach with Stitt’s pedestrian overall record out recruited the vaunted Bobby Hauck is sad, not laughable. Not saying the Caddy was drivable under Stitt but at least it was shiny. Now it’s up on blocks.

Here is the thing, I don't for a second believe that Stitt out recruited anyone. You are offering 2 different $hit sandwiches, one with lettuce and one with tomato. In the end does it matter, they are still 2 $hit sandwiches.

I see you get my point. Not that Stitt was so great but that the great Hauck 2.0 is no better than he was.

And I’ll go to the rest of the home games and enjoy my game days looking for individual performances out of the players and support the players I have known, some since they were in junior high, and I’ll stick it out to the final beat down by the F’n Cats. I’ll try to keep my gratitude higher than my expectations.

 

[Mousegriz]

I plan to keep season tix this year then give them up.. At about $90 a seat per game not worth it. I made that call at halftime of butler game.

Same old same old. Peter Christian's endless marketing. Kiss cam dance cam flex cam cotton eye Joe country boy Monte entry.

After 35+ years maybe just getting old and grumpy but think it took that long to realize it's 2nd level of football with little national interest. Of all the teams at this level do more than 4 or 5 average 10k+ a game? Kind of embarrassing to be among 26k watching a middle of the pack team.

Hoops fest still offering bets for 6th or worse in conference?

 

[retiredpopo]

. real question for those who say they are done...if all of the sudden things start clicking and we win the next 3 in a row, will you change your point of view? hypothetical of course but say we roll into Moscow and pull that off will you all be filling your seats against nco and sac?

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

. real question for those who say they are done...if all of the sudden things start clicking and we win the next 3 in a row, will you change your point of view? hypothetical of course but say we roll into Moscow and pull that off will you all be filling your seats against nco and sac?

No. Already canceled accommodations and am sticking to my opinion that it’s time for a regime change. I love hauck, but hauck 2.0 has run it’s course. Some players quit on Hauck mid game vs NAU……that says it all man.

 

[Lord Vigo]

I don't think Hauck necessarily coasted on Stitt recruits. He's brought a lot of talent into the program all on his own.

From my perspective, the problem for Hauck is simple:

He hasn't been able to consistently recruit and develop high quality linemen on either side of the ball. The OL has been a consistent weakness during his entire 2nd tenure, which makes everything on offense harder. His defensive fronts have been better, but they're still usually undersized and tend to get washed by the best OL's in the FCS.

Successful football starts at the LOS. When you're good there, everything else is easier and looks better.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

. real question for those who say they are done...if all of the sudden things start clicking and we win the next 3 in a row, will you change your point of view? hypothetical of course but say we roll into Moscow and pull that off will you all be filling your seats against nco and sac?

No. Already canceled accommodations and am sticking to my opinion that it’s time for a regime change. I love hauck, but hauck 2.0 has run it’s course. Some players quit on Hauck mid game vs NAU……that says it all man.

I am more bothered that some players quit on their teammates.

 

[AZGrizFan]

No. Already canceled accommodations and am sticking to my opinion that it’s time for a regime change. I love hauck, but hauck 2.0 has run it’s course. Some players quit on Hauck mid game vs NAU……that says it all man.

I am more bothered that some players quit on their teammates.

Same. I can’t recall a time I’ve been this upset about Griz football. And of all people, I never thought I’d see it from the players it was obvious in. Really, really telling about the atmosphere in that locker room.