Hauck back to Montana?

[kemajic]

Stitt is 14-10, 0.583; not sure where you got your numbers. Yet to finish a season with less than 5 losses. Read had BSU, Nevada, Idaho and a good ISU program to contend with. Stitt has SacST, UNC, USU and a very poor ISU program to contend with.

 

[Ursa Major]

This seems like the right place for this...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bAoq7k3tZ0[/youtube]

:lol: :lol: That was a great post, you son of a bitch!!

 

[RABIDAWG]

As much as I'd like Hauck to come back and as great as I think it would be for the program, I'm not gonna lie, that'd be a pretty crappy way to get rid of Stitt. I think if Stitt makes the playoffs, he deserves an extension. I mean don't get me wrong, I'd love for Hauck to come back, but you got to think about how that'd make Stitt feel. If he has a bad season, then for right ahead and hire Hauck but if he has a good season I'd seriously consider bringing Stitt back.

How that'd make Stitt feel? Are you serious?

Be loyal to the program, not someones feelings.

This!

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

Stitt is 14-10, 0.583; not sure where you got your numbers. Yet to finish a season with less than 5 losses. Read had BSU, Nevada, Idaho and a good ISU program to contend with. Stitt has SacST, UNC, USU and a very poor ISU program to contend with.

That's some serious cherrypicking if I've ever seen it.

By the time Read had gotten Montana where it needed to be, Nevada left the conference. Boise State wasn't as good as you think. They finished in the bottom half of the conference during most of Read's tenure. Same with Idaho State. ISU has always been a bad program. During Read's first two years, Only Nevada was good, and that was just read's first year. The next year, the Big Sky literally had no teams ranked in the Top 25. The Big Sky of the 80s was not better than the Big Sky now in terms of performance.

And with Stitt, you're forgetting that Eastern Washington has been damn near elite and on our schedule every year. We also willingly played the 4-time defending national champion and a Top 15 Portland State on our schedule in 2015.

Stitt's had a just as tough, if not tougher, schedule both years than Don Read's first few years. Stitt also had far greater scholarship restrictions than Read. He's been competing at a disadvantage than the rest of the conference, and still managed to win some big games.

Just a quick edit: the wiki has been updated with current records.

 

[UMGriz75]

And with Stitt, you're forgetting that Eastern Washington has been damn near elite and on our schedule every year. We also willingly played the 4-time defending national champion and a Top 15 Portland State on our schedule in 2015.

Are you OK? Nobody's bragging about losing to Eastern Washington; it's the at-home loss to bottom dweller MSU, and a similar loss to Northern Colorado, all followed by Stitt's personal public meltdown that it was "all his fault" and he needed to review everything.

Sounds like you and Coach Stitt should get together and make up your minds.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

And with Stitt, you're forgetting that Eastern Washington has been damn near elite and on our schedule every year. We also willingly played the 4-time defending national champion and a Top 15 Portland State on our schedule in 2015.

Are you OK? Nobody's bragging about losing to Eastern Washington; it's the at-home loss to bottom dweller MSU, and a similar loss to Northern Colorado, all followed by Stitt's personal public meltdown that it was "all his fault" and he needed to review everything.

Sounds like you and Coach Stitt should get together and make up your minds.

What? I know you're typing English words, but it sounds like a bunch of jibberish. I'm so utterly confused as to how someone can be so damn dense.

I dont think it came across as bragging about losing. You literally made up some BS about the Big Sky being all that and then some while Don Read was building Montana into a powerhouse, when in reality, the Big Sky didn't actually get good until Nevada left and Montana was good. You were saying that Don Read had to compete against all these great teams, when in fact he did not, and Stitt has only had to play against cupcakes. I mean, you're literally making things up.

 

[UMGriz75]

I dont think it came across as bragging about losing. You literally made up some BS about the Big Sky being all that and then some while Don Read was building Montana into a powerhouse, when in reality, the Big Sky didn't actually get good until Nevada left and Montana was good. You were saying that Don Read had to compete against all these great teams, when in fact he did not, and Stitt has only had to play against cupcakes. I mean, you're literally making things up.

Do you just sit around all day and make stuff up? I didn't say a damn word about Don Read having to compete "against all these great teams." Stitt "has only had to compete against cupcakes?"

The fact actually is, I never said any of those things. You have no truth to rely on, and so you resort to dishonesty.

What's the point?

 

[Ursa Major]

75,
We get it. You find voluminous ways of saying the same negative thing, over and over and over.

You are beginning to epitomize the old Sam Rayburn quote:

Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one.

 

[SoldierGriz]

75,
We get it. You find voluminous ways of saying the same negative thing, over and over and over.

You are beginning to epitomize the old Sam Rayburn quote:

Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one.

Yet, in this case he is right...MC Scammer has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. Claiming the Big Sky is tougher now than it was in the late 80s/early 90s...I'm not sure how anyone can walk by that crap.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

75,
We get it. You find voluminous ways of saying the same negative thing, over and over and over.

You are beginning to epitomize the old Sam Rayburn quote:

Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one.

Yet, in this case he is right...MC Scammer has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. Claiming the Big Sky is tougher now than it was in the late 80s/early 90s...I'm not sure how anyone can walk by that crap.

Prove it to me that the Big Sky was tougher in Don Read's first 2-3 seasons than the Big Sky of the last 2 years. Prove it.

And by the way, I don't know where you're getting the idea I'm scamming anyone.

 

[griz5700]

75,
We get it. You find voluminous ways of saying the same negative thing, over and over and over.

You are beginning to epitomize the old Sam Rayburn quote:

Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a good carpenter to build one.

Yet, in this case he is right...MC Scammer has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. Claiming the Big Sky is tougher now than it was in the late 80s/early 90s...I'm not sure how anyone can walk by that crap.

Prove it to me that the Big Sky was tougher in Don Read's first 2-3 seasons than the Big Sky of the last 2 years. Prove it.

And by the way, I don't know where you're getting the idea I'm scamming anyone.

For real? This is so stupid no one will waste their time explaining it to you.

 

[UMGriz75]

Prove it to me that the Big Sky was tougher in Don Read's first 2-3 seasons than the Big Sky of the last 2 years. Prove it.

And by the way, I don't know where you're getting the idea I'm scamming anyone.

Are you an adult? Seriously. You communicate like an angry 8 year old.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

Prove it to me that the Big Sky was tougher in Don Read's first 2-3 seasons than the Big Sky of the last 2 years. Prove it.

And by the way, I don't know where you're getting the idea I'm scamming anyone.

Are you an adult? Seriously. You communicate like an angry 8 year old.

I think it's funny how this is coming from the guy who is freaking out after a minor setback (WHICH WAS STILL A WINNING SEASON) in the middle of the rebuilding process.

Anyways, I'm gonna ask you to please explain to me how I sound like an angry 8 year old. Or is this just going to be like every other time I prove you wrong with logic and numbers, and you just say "wow, you're stupid. This is dumb," as if that magically makes you right? It doesn't, by the way. You have tried to say I'm wrong, and then I ask you to explain it, and you just say "you're too dumb." I'm getting the impression YOU might be the dumb one, if you can't explain it.

 

[ordigger]

And with Stitt, you're forgetting that Eastern Washington has been damn near elite and on our schedule every year. We also willingly played the 4-time defending national champion and a Top 15 Portland State on our schedule in 2015.

Are you OK? Nobody's bragging about losing to Eastern Washington; it's the at-home loss to bottom dweller MSU, and a similar loss to Northern Colorado, all followed by Stitt's personal public meltdown that it was "all his fault" and he needed to review everything.

Sounds like you and Coach Stitt should get together and make up your minds.

What? I know you're typing English words, but it sounds like a bunch of jibberish. I'm so utterly confused as to how someone can be so damn dense.

I dont think it came across as bragging about losing. You literally made up some BS about the Big Sky being all that and then some while Don Read was building Montana into a powerhouse, when in reality, the Big Sky didn't actually get good until Nevada left and Montana was good. You were saying that Don Read had to compete against all these great teams, when in fact he did not, and Stitt has only had to play against cupcakes. I mean, you're literally making things up.

It was kemajic not 75 that made that comment. Thanks for bringing ping pong to eGriz though, you and 75 - back and forth. :clap:

 

[The_Real_Chief]

Everyone is so triggered on this thread HAHAHA

What?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Triggered

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I haven't had a lot of luck lately but hopefully that will change, this year, with Bobby coming back and turning this thing around before it's to late Hauck= fundamentals. Stit= politician.. Do not, under any circumstance give Stit a new contract (of any kind!) Special teams says it all...Hauck = solid offense, solid defense and outstanding special teams! Hauck= win, win, win!!! Stit= pray, pray, PRAY!!! Welcome back coach Hauck!

It sounds more like you hate Stitt than you remember anything about Hauck. Also, your lack of ability to put things into any sense of context is hilarious.

I can't tell if you brought that up to make a point about Stitt sucking and Hauck being fantastic, but thanks for giving me the means to show some context. Look at the previous two coaches Stitt and Hauck were following up. Hauck didn't have to do any dirty work to rebuild the program. The talent and infrastructure to absolutely dominate was already there. Stitt has had to rebuild and put the infrastructure there himself. I get the feeling he will end up with a similar tenure and record as Don Read, given his track record in the past.

Plot twist: What if Petrino leaves Idaho and Bobby Hauck takes the Idaho Job?

That would help show if Hauck is actually good at rebuilding a program. But that would create some weird bizarro universe I don't want to live in.

This is a good post, I like the infrastructure analogy.

Hauck's reign was basically like taking over Paris, ya it went through some shit with the wars but it was still Paris. Big, beautiful, city of the world with abundant arts and culture.

Stitt is essentially trying to build a brand new city, starting with the sewers and foundations all over. It has to take time!

Uhh what?

Uniformed people think Hauck took over some really talented team. He didn't. Informed people will tell you this.

Also, you have never been to Paris have you?

No, I'm a city planner...please do tell me the history of cities.

Haucks program he took over were light years ahead of the program that Stitt took over.

It amazes me how some people on here will do anything to blame Stitt. I like Stitt, and I want him to do well, however I do think its time to prove that he was the right hire.

3 years in my opinion is not long enough to gauge success, but you should be able to see a direction.

 

[PlayerRep]

It sounds more like you hate Stitt than you remember anything about Hauck. Also, your lack of ability to put things into any sense of context is hilarious.



I can't tell if you brought that up to make a point about Stitt sucking and Hauck being fantastic, but thanks for giving me the means to show some context. Look at the previous two coaches Stitt and Hauck were following up. Hauck didn't have to do any dirty work to rebuild the program. The talent and infrastructure to absolutely dominate was already there. Stitt has had to rebuild and put the infrastructure there himself. I get the feeling he will end up with a similar tenure and record as Don Read, given his track record in the past.



That would help show if Hauck is actually good at rebuilding a program. But that would create some weird bizarro universe I don't want to live in.

This is a good post, I like the infrastructure analogy.

Hauck's reign was basically like taking over Paris, ya it went through some shit with the wars but it was still Paris. Big, beautiful, city of the world with abundant arts and culture.

Stitt is essentially trying to build a brand new city, starting with the sewers and foundations all over. It has to take time!

Uhh what?

Uniformed people think Hauck took over some really talented team. He didn't. Informed people will tell you this.

Also, you have never been to Paris have you?

No, I'm a city planner...please do tell me the history of cities.

Haucks program he took over were light years ahead of the program that Stitt took over.

It amazes me how some people on here will do anything to blame Stitt. I like Stitt, and I want him to do well, however I do think its time to prove that he was the right hire.

3 years in my opinion is not long enough to gauge success, but you should be able to see a direction.

Don't agree with you. In my view, Hauck and Stitt took over essentially the same programs. Good talent, some holes in talent, strong tradition, good fans, great home atmosphere. Stitt was missing some schollies, but, while a hinderance, that is not a huge problem,, or one that would explain last season. Stitt over took over after several coaching transitions. Note that Hauck took over after Glenn had been the coach for only 3 years, I believe. He also took over after a minor collapse at the very end of Glenn's last season. Stitt decided to make many more changes than Hauck, in terms of personnel, offensive scheme and traditions. Hauck did some of that too. Statute didn't know or embrace the many strong and loyal supporters and boosters, like Hauck and prior coaches did. Stitt was able to recruit with the possible "game-changer" Performance Center becoming a reality, which has to be a recruiting plus (especially in comparison to the past). The Griz program was not, and is not, in shambles (i.e. down to sewers and foundations). The Griz program is still very good, just not where it was under Glenn, Hauck and at least the 2d year of Pflu. One possible difference now, and perhaps when Stitt arrived, is that the teams don't seem to have the desire and ability (and tradition) to come back to win tough games and to win on the road. The road losses didn't start with Stitt, but the problem has gotten worse.

Stitt's first season was good, or even very good given the number of qb injuries. Last year's collapse in the second half of the season was obviously not good. While I don't know enough to do much more than speculate on the reason or reasons for last season's fade, I do wonder if the number of new players and number of changes in traditions and otherwise, caused dissension that impacted performance. This despite what Stitt was saying early in the season about the offense and defense now getting along and supporting each other better. In the first year, the old upper class men were still leading the team. Last season, many of those leaders and players had graduated or moved on. This year will be Stitt's team and it shouldn't have a big dissension problem. The transition to Semore as DC probably also had an impact last season. The defense should be more in tune with the schemes this year, and schemes will probably also be adjusted. This is not to say that the coaches did everything perfectly last season.

I am not going to bet the ranch, either way, but I am hopeful for this season. I think Stitt has a good or very good group of assistants. While Ferriter is unproven, he is a smart guy and a good and rising coach. I think we could see improvement and consistency in the offense with Ferriter being the passing coordinator and coaching both inside and outside receivers. Obviously, Sweat wasn't the guy, as he's now been moved on. The team needs a qb to develop into a very good qb. Despite the picks in the last scrimmage, I think Phillips is the guy will start and who needs to develop into a strong qb. He has a great arm. He is mobile. I don't know what's in his head.

I have never felt the o-line was as bad as some of you, but it would be nice for the o-line to advance several notches. And, like some of you, I keep wondering where all that seeming young talent is and when it's going to step to the forefront. On the other hand, I don't think the Griz will ever get, again, 3 top-level FBS drop-downs like Quinn (OK), Russum (AZ St) and Horn (Oregon), to combine with the likes of Balogh (offered by UW), Dow, Dyk, etc., to create a dominant o-line like the Griz had for several years.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

This is a good post, I like the infrastructure analogy.

Hauck's reign was basically like taking over Paris, ya it went through some shit with the wars but it was still Paris. Big, beautiful, city of the world with abundant arts and culture.

Stitt is essentially trying to build a brand new city, starting with the sewers and foundations all over. It has to take time!

Uhh what?

Uniformed people think Hauck took over some really talented team. He didn't. Informed people will tell you this.

Also, you have never been to Paris have you?

No, I'm a city planner...please do tell me the history of cities.

Haucks program he took over were light years ahead of the program that Stitt took over.

It amazes me how some people on here will do anything to blame Stitt. I like Stitt, and I want him to do well, however I do think its time to prove that he was the right hire.

3 years in my opinion is not long enough to gauge success, but you should be able to see a direction.

Don't agree with you. In my view, Hauck and Stitt took over essentially the same programs. Good talent, some holes in talent, strong tradition, good fans, great home atmosphere. Stitt was missing some schollies, but, while a hinderance, that is not a huge problem,, or one that would explain last season. Stitt over took over after several coaching transitions. Note that Hauck took over after Glenn had been the coach for only 3 years, I believe. He also took over after a minor collapse at the very end of Glenn's last season. Stitt decided to make many more changes than Hauck, in terms of personnel, offensive scheme and traditions. Hauck did some of that too. Statute didn't know or embrace the many strong and loyal supporters and boosters, like Hauck and prior coaches did. Stitt was able to recruit with the possible "game-changer" Performance Center becoming a reality, which has to be a recruiting plus (especially in comparison to the past). The Griz program was not, and is not, in shambles (i.e. down to sewers and foundations). The Griz program is still very good, just not where it was under Glenn, Hauck and at least the 2d year of Pflu. One possible difference now, and perhaps when Stitt arrived, is that the teams don't seem to have the desire and ability (and tradition) to come back to win tough games and to win on the road. The road losses didn't start with Stitt, but the problem has gotten worse.

Stitt's first season was good, or even very good given the number of qb injuries. Last year's collapse in the second half of the season was obviously not good. While I don't know enough to do much more than speculate on the reason or reasons for last season's fade, I do wonder if the number of new players and number of changes in traditions and otherwise, caused dissension that impacted performance. This despite what Stitt was saying early in the season about the offense and defense now getting along and supporting each other better. In the first year, the old upper class men were still leading the team. Last season, many of those leaders and players had graduated or moved on. This year will be Stitt's team and it shouldn't have a big dissension problem. The transition to Semore as DC probably also had an impact last season. The defense should be more in tune with the schemes this year, and schemes will probably also be adjusted. This is not to say that the coaches did everything perfectly last season.

I am not going to bet the ranch, either way, but I am hopeful for this season. I think Stitt has a good or very good group of assistants. While Ferriter is unproven, he is a smart guy and a good and rising coach. I think we could see improvement and consistency in the offense with Ferriter being the passing coordinator and coaching both inside and outside receivers. Obviously, Sweat wasn't the guy, as he's now been moved on. The team needs a qb to develop into a very good qb. Despite the picks in the last scrimmage, I think Phillips is the guy will start and who needs to develop into a strong qb. He has a great arm. He is mobile. I don't know what's in his head.

I have never felt the o-line was as bad as some of you, but it would be nice for the o-line to advance several notches. And, like some of you, I keep wondering where all that seeming young talent is and when it's going to step to the forefront. On the other hand, I don't think the Griz will ever get, again, 3 top-level FBS drop-downs like Quinn (OK), Russum (AZ St) and Horn (Oregon), to combine with the likes of Balogh (offered by UW), Dow, Dyk, etc., to create a dominant o-line like the Griz had for several years.

I think more than anything, I want to just see some consistency and calm in our coaches and program.

I dont want to see all the changes every single off season. I think if we can get some stability for a couple of years, the winning and traditions will come back.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I have never felt the o-line was as bad as some of you, but it would be nice for the o-line to advance several notches. And, like some of you, I keep wondering where all that seeming young talent is and when it's going to step to the forefront. On the other hand, I don't think the Griz will ever get, again, 3 top-level FBS drop-downs like Quinn (OK), Russum (AZ St) and Horn (Oregon), to combine with the likes of Balogh (offered by UW), Dow, Dyk, etc., to create a dominant o-line like the Griz had for several years.

In the past we had o-lines that could hold their own against FBS defensive lines. The last 4-5 years the o-line was dominated by mediocre FCS defensive lines. If the o-line makes significant strides, the passing and running games will improve.

 

[kemajic]

The idea of Hauck coming back has the same appeal as a second Trump term. Punks creating punkery all around them and sewing the seeds for the disasters to come ... both embarrassments to the institutions they represent. You couldn’t watch a Hauck half-time interview without cringing at his churlish, childish performance.

You have something against leaders that get stuff done and win. Make Montana Great Again Bobby!

Wow! A guy who still supports Trump after all the astounding winning he’s done. But, we do become a bigger laughing stock to the rest of the world, every day. That cretinous blurt alone should bar you from adult conversation. Trump's making America great again like Hauck made Vegas great. I will grant you this … Hauck has shown a belated ability to grow up which Trump will never have, but he’s not even remotely the answer to rebuilding a program.

Four out of five seasons with two victories.

Record of 15-49.

" In five seasons, he failed to develop a quality quarterback in a pass-happy era of college football; he failed to recruit a single player whom the NFL deemed draftable (although senior wide receiver Devante Davis should break that streak in the spring); his assistant coaches at times seemed in over their heads; and not only did he fail to win a single non-conference game of consequence, he lost twice to I-AA schools … at home! That’s as inexcusable as it is incomprehensible."

No, in hindsight, Bobby Hauck wasn’t “The Winner” we so boldly proclaimed him to be on the cover of that 2010 issue in which my profile of Hauck appeared."
Matt Jacob

Shame on your ability to detect tougue-in-cheek.