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Haslam's Recent Interview on Where UM Is

JFC. Take this shit to the political board you freakin nutjob.
That liberals like you think money grows on trees? That’s not remotely political. That’s a fact. You are one of the most unknowledgeable Griz posters on egriz. As I have said, you have been a joke in the athletic dept for decades. Talked like you knew something. Most everyone laughed at you.

And you are just plain wrong on UM and other athletic department funding. Tell us where the money will come from to move up. Haslam says it’s the biggest challenge.

Take your BS out of here.
 
Unfortunately these days, that's the go-to when you don't have an actual, concrete argument: Label the person with a political term you believe to have negative connotations. So sad.
You have no knowledge or substance on UM athletics. You can’t say how UM can get to $40 million. So you try to attack me. And, my view is that $40 million would get UM only to mediocre. No way UM can round up $40 million. I talked to the Gianfortes today. Have you ever even met them? My good friend is former chair of BOR. in fact, two of my friends are the last 2 chairmen. How are your Regents sources? What are they indicating to you?
 
That liberals like you think money grows on trees? That’s not remotely political. That’s a fact. You are one of the most unknowledgeable Griz posters on egriz. As I have said, you have been a joke in the athletic dept for decades. Talked like you knew something. Most everyone laughed at you.

And you are just plain wrong on UM and other athletic department funding. Tell us where the money will come from to move up. Haslam says it’s the biggest challenge.

Take your BS out of here.
See above.
 
You have no knowledge or substance on UM athletics. You can’t say how UM can get to $40 million. So you try to attack me. And, my view is that $40 million would get UM only to mediocre. No way UM can round up $40 million. I talked to the Gianfortes today. Have you ever even met them? My good friend is former chair of BOR. in fact, two of my friends are the last 2 chairmen. How are your Regents sources? What are they indicating to you?
See above.
 
A summary of the proposed settlement:
"The proposed House v. NCAA settlement, which includes the landmark $2.78 billion settlement of three separate antitrust cases facing the NCAA and power conferences, received preliminary approval on Monday from Judge Claudia Wilken in the Northern District of California, clearing the way for schools to begin paying players directly through revenue sharing as early as 2025.

Lawyers representing both sides of the settlement — which aims to resolve the House, Hubbard and Carter antitrust lawsuits — filed a revised version of the settlement agreement late last month that aimed to clarify use of the term “booster,” the original language on third-party NIL collectives and what specifically constitutes the pay-for-play inducements the NCAA is aiming to eliminate as part of the settlement.

Wilken, who previously presided over the notable Alston and O’Bannon cases against the NCAA,
did not provide any additional explanation for granting preliminary approval on Monday. The settlement is not yet finalized, though the motion Wilken signed states that the court “will likely be able to approve the Settlement as fair, reasonable, and adequate” while subject to a final approval hearing, which is tentatively scheduled for April 7, 2025.

If finalized, the agreement would establish $2.78 billion in retroactive damage payments for former college athletes dating back to 2016 who did not have the opportunity to earn compensation for their NIL. It would also allow college athletic departments to opt into revenue sharing directly with current and future college athletes, starting at north of $20 million annually per school.

Another critical aspect of the settlement from the NCAA’s perspective is renewed enforcement of NIL rules intended to eliminate pay-for-play payments that have become commonplace among booster-led NIL collectives. The proposed terms allow the NCAA and power conferences to form a “designated enforcement agency,” which the revised agreement specifies would focus on NIL deals stemming from individuals affiliated with an NIL collective, involved in a player’s recruitment, or from families that have contributed more than $50,000 to a university’s athletic department over the course of their lifetime.

There have already been objections to the settlement, including one last week from the lead attorney in the O’Bannon v. NCAA case that was decided in 2014 and helped pave the way for college athletes to eventually earn NIL compensation. The objection argues that the damages portion of the settlement is too low, the cap on revenue sharing is unlawful and restrictions on NIL collectives are unfair.

The preliminary approval hearing last month also featured objections from two dissenting groups: one representing a group of women’s rowing athletes arguing the allocation structure for the damage payments is unfair to female athletes, and another representing the Fontenot v. NCAA case, a separate antitrust suit filed in Colorado that is seeking claims similar to the Carter case and argues the NCAA’s rules prohibiting pay-for-play compensation violate antitrust law.

An approved settlement will not resolve all of the NCAA’s legal battles — including employment status and collective bargaining efforts, possible Title IX complaints or other antitrust litigation — which is why the organization will continue to pursue antitrust exemptions and federal NIL legislation through Congress.


If final approval is granted in April, the settlement would immediately go into effect, with the direct revenue sharing between schools and college athletes starting in July 2025."

NY Times, Oct. 7, 2024.
 

"NCAA SCHOLARSHIP RULES: WHAT’S CHANGING?​


… changes coming to NCAA D1 sports for the 2025-2026 academic year if the settlement is approved.
  • No Scholarship Cap: NCAA D1 schools will be able to offer scholarships to every athlete on their roster, eliminating previous sport-specific limits. This means schools will have more flexibility in financially supporting their athletes, increasing the number of potential college sports scholarships.
  • New Roster Limits: NCAA is introducing new roster limits that match or exceed current scholarship restrictions for each sport. With scholarship caps gone, most programs will be able to offer more scholarships. However, they must follow the new NCAA roster limits for each sport. For example, NCAA football scholarship limits will have a roster cap of 105 players, up from 85.
  • Scholarship Type: All sports will now be classified as equivalency sports, allowing schools to offer partial scholarships. This is a huge change from the current system where some sports, like football, basketball and volleyball, are headcount sports and only offer full scholarships.
The removal of scholarship caps and changes to roster limits are part of a major settlement agreement involving three lawsuits against the NCAA and the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC: House v. NCAA, Hubbard v. NCAA and Carter v. NCAA.

WHAT ARE THE NEW NCAA ROSTER LIMITS?​


NCAA Scholarship Limits for D1 College Sports Programs

Tumbling (W) 14 55 41
Baseball (M) 11.7 34 22.3
Basketball (M) 13 15 2
Basketball (W) 15 15 0
Beach volleyball (W) 6 19 13
Cross country (M) 5 17 12
Cross country (W) 6 17 11
Field hockey (W) 12 27 15
Football (M) 85 105 20
Golf (M) 4.5 9 4.5
Golf (W) 6 9 3
Gymnastics (M) 6.3 20 13.7
Gymnastics (W) 12 20 8
Ice hockey (M) 18 26 8
Ice hockey (W) 18 26 8
Track (M) 12.6 45 35.4
Track (W) 18 45 27
Lacrosse (M) 12.6 48 35.4
Lacrosse (W) 12 38 26
Rowing (W) 20 68 48
Soccer (M) 9.9 28 18.1
Soccer (W) 14 28 14
Softball (W) 12 25 13
Stunt (M/W) 14 65 51
Swim (M) 9.9 30 20.1
Swim (W) 14 30 16
Tennis (M) 4.5 10 5.5
Tennis (W) 8 10 2
Triathlon (W) 6.5 14 7.5
Volleyball (M) 4.5 18 13.5
Volleyball (W) 12 18 6
Water polo (M) 4.5 24 19.5
Water polo (W) 8 24 16
Wrestling (M) 9.9 30 20.1
Wrestling (W) 10 30 20
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*The listed sports are offered services by NCSA College Recruiting. D1 sports not shown in the table, including Bowling, Fencing, Equestrian, Rifle and Skiing, will also have scholarship and roster implications.

WHEN DO THE NEW NCAA SCHOLARSHIP RULES START?​

The new scholarship rules and roster limits for NCAA D1 sports will start in the 2025-26 academic year.

HOW WILL NCAA ROSTER LIMITS IMPACT WALK-ONS?​

Walk-ons have historically been a big part of D1 programs because of current NCAA scholarship limitations. But with the new NCAA scholarship rules and roster limits starting in the 2025-26 school year, coaches will need to rethink how they manage scholarships and roster spots. The exact impact on walk-ons is unknown at this time and will vary across different sports and schools, depending on their size and budget.

HOW WILL SCHOOLS ADJUST TO THE NEW NCAA SCHOLARSHIP AND ROSTER LIMITS?​

Adding more scholarships across all sports could mean big financial changes for D1 schools. It isn’t clear exactly how college programs will adjust to the new rules, since it will vary by sport and program.

 
I believe the roster/scholarship stuff comes from the P4 conferences.

It's not clear to me who it applies to. Maybe to all FBS conferences (?), but I see that sports (or conferences) can opt out (and then wouldn't be able to pay athletes up to the $20 million. I wonder if there will be opt in for the non-P4 conferences. Haven't seen anything on whether this part would apply to FCS. I assume not. If someone see a good article on this subject, post it.

"the [ncaa] will continue to pursue antitrust exemptions and federal NIL legislation through Congress.]

There will be more scholarships able to be offered.

"In all, the 68 power conference schools are expected to eliminate at least 3,000 roster positions as administrators work to adhere to new roster limitations, reallocate resources from lower-tier to revenue-generating sports, and balance men and women opportunities to comply with the federal Title IX law." [An early Yahoo article; don't know if this is right.]

"The settlement also sets the stage for the era of direct revenue sharing from school to athlete — a concept that has administrators shifting resources from non-revenue sports to revenue giants football and men’s basketball. Title IX requirements put men’s Olympic sports further in jeopardy as well, as administrators attempt try to keep their resourcing balanced for men’s sports and women’s sports." [The early Yahoo article.]

"But many in college athletics have concerns.

“The irony is the House settlement has been made to benefit student-athletes,” said Jaime Gordon, the American Volleyball Coaches Association executive director. “I agree with the components of the settlement, but part of this is going to be at the expense of other student-athletes.”

For many, walk-ons or those on partial scholarship serve a paramount purpose. Their role goes well beyond practice dummies. Many schools use them as enrollment boosters, a clever way to increase student body numbers at a time when new freshman classes continue to shrink.

“Adding sports is a tried-and-true, cost-effective way of reversing the enrollment trend,” said Mike Moyer, the director of the National Wrestling Coaches Association. Wrestling teams will have a new roster limit of 30 while most schools keep 35-40 on a team.

“What might make sense for the power schools, may not make any sense for the mid-majors," Moyer continued. "It’s scary when you have things going on at the top end having a cascading effect.”

A walk-on spot, for the athletes themselves, is a time-honored and longstanding way to be part of a team while also earning financial benefits. To a school, they can be costly. Meals, medical care, travel costs and other stipends can run into the tens of thousands for walk-on athletes.

The mother of one cross country runner is anticipating that her daughter will soon be cut from her power conference team. Her and her husband estimate that their daughter receives more than $20,000 in annual benefits as a walk-on runner, including a summer stipend, medical care, Alston-related money, etc.

And where, if she is cut, does she go when other programs are doing the same?

“It’s detrimental,” she said. “You have this huge influx of people with nowhere to go.”

Another mother of a track athlete — the one cut via email after the semester began — said her daughter also lost academic-based aid for athletes.

“My daughter was not eating or sleeping,” she tells Yahoo Sports. “The mental distress of this is terrible.”

[The early Yahoo article.]
 
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Let me say up front, I don't know what percentages currently contribute to the athletic budgets.

With that said, I'd think we'd draw more money with both basketball programs, softball, and soccer.

Also, how much more $$$$ could we generate from alcohol sales, if they could sell it all over WaGriz and Dahlberg? .

If we fans knew what % of every alcohol sale would go to GRIZ athletics, we'd all be willing to buy a few beers every game.

How about additional revenue from GRIZ gear sales? How about a small tax statewide, going towards additional funds for all the state schools, not private schools?

Also, I'd think there'd be a better revenue generator for television, streaming, and radio broadcasts, if we were in a better conference. Plus revenue sharing with teams with bigger fan bases would help some.

Personally, I know I'd be willing to purchase products and services from sources that would help generate additional athletic revenue.

How about online split the pots held weekly or monthly year around?

Work out a few concerts a year with Montana and regional acts at Missoula and Bozeman venues, with a good percentage of revenue go towards each school.

How about working with Uptop for promoting them and the schools? We as fans commit to Uptop instead of Nike, Reebok, Adidas, Jordan, etc. Push push Uptop nationally. We should be doing this anyway. Chase Reynolds, what would it take?

How about the U of M starting their own energy and nutrition company producing our own products? Also get business students into this.

Feel free to add ideas.

Honestly, I think we're underestimating additional revenue options.
 
Unfortunately these days, that's the go-to when you don't have an actual, concrete argument: Label the person with a political term you believe to have negative connotations. So sad.

This deserves its own thread for discussion. Below are paraphrases of Haslam's words.

We and MSU are governed by the same Board of Regents and we are tied together. When I talk of "we", I mean both UM and MSU.

It all comes down to money. That's the challenge.

Our fans furnish 65-70% of our money. We can't expect them to contribute more for a bigger budget.

He said UM's $24 million budget would have to increase to $40 million.

Things (realignment) have calmed down for awhile. MW has its 8, but will likely want to expand. Pac-12 is one short.

Our "fit", I think he met location and the schools, etc., make UM more compatible with MW.

We aren't going to Conf USA.Too far away.

Look at the proposed House Settlement. Big changes. Look at the roster limits part. Will UM want to opt in to that, or not.

Recent comments in the other thread should get reposted here.
"We've maxed out the revenue we can achieve in the BSC."
 
That liberals like you think money grows on trees? That’s not remotely political. That’s a fact. You are one of the most unknowledgeable Griz posters on egriz. As I have said, you have been a joke in the athletic dept for decades. Talked like you knew something. Most everyone laughed at you.

And you are just plain wrong on UM and other athletic department funding. Tell us where the money will come from to move up. Haslam says it’s the biggest challenge.

Take your BS out of here.
Sorry, it's a bit of a political post. This is the archaic thinking of people who never grow businesses or economies. There is a reason that most of the Fortune 500 companies were started by Hoops so-called liberals. Moving up costs money, but it also increases student enrollment exponentially, which increases funding in many other areas. The Griz will be forced to either move up or down, but the Big Sky will not be the same in less than 5 years. Thankfully, we have people with a vision making these decisions.
 
I can only imagine from this interview that the meetings were pretty tense. It sounds like there was a lot of questioning coming his way and Costello’s way from other AD’s because they know where their bread is buttered so to speak.

I really wish Riley would have asked him about the SAC12 push. Given how publicized their intentions have been the last month or two, I’m sure it should have brought some condemnation in those meetings.

To hear Kent say that it doesn’t really matter and that he needs to do what’s best for Montana first and foremost tells me that the rest of the conference doesn’t believe they are riding coattails and that they are not willing to give up revenue to keep the Montana’s like the MWC did for its top remaining teams.

Add on the tweets from the snow belt conference account and we are fully entrenched in the quagmire that has plagued so much of the college football landscape the last several years.
 
"We've maxed out the revenue we can achieve in the BSC."
Maybe, but we can’t cover an increase in costs to a budget of $40 or $50 million. Slide the Regents, Bodnar and Gianforte will listen, I can’t imagine UM and MSU can put together an acceptable financial plan. Too much risk. I look toward to any plan.

UM can fund what we are doing.

Show us where we could get $16 million annually, plus $5 million and other start up costs.
 
Offer beer sales (football and basketball)
Slightly higher ticket prices (find it difficult to believe that fans are capped out completely)
Expect higher attendance at basketball games (much better competition)
Raise student athletic fees (JMU's is over $5,000!!). Even just a $2,000 student athletic fee raises $20,000,000
SOME state assistance
Increased donations from wealthy alums
Higher Appearance Fees (these are just a few examples from this year):

AlabamaWestern Kentucky$1.9 millionAug. 31
AuburnNew Mexico$1.9 millionSept. 14
GeorgiaUMass$1.9 millionNov. 23
MichiganFresno State$1.85 millionAug. 31
MichiganArkansas State$1.8 millionSept. 14
Ohio StateAkron$1.8 millionAug. 31
Ohio StateWestern Michigan$1.8 millionSept. 7
TexasColorado State$1.8 millionAug. 31
TexasUTSA$1.7 millionSept. 14
LSUSouth Alabama$1.65 millionSept. 28
 
I firmly believe the move up will happen in the next couple years, but I struggle to believe it’s good for everybody. I know it will help football, but I don’t really care to spend more than I am already. Don’t care to see taxes go up for the state to provide more university funding for a sport. A sport that we all love and enjoy, but let’s be honest, the money could/should be spent on better things.
 
Actually, as he said, it is a matter of money for the increased budget to $40 million and to the approval of BOR.

Where will the money come from? Spell it out for us.

Does UM want to opt in to unlimited scholarships up to the new roster limit? 90, I believe.

As I have said before, UM is looking and has had meetings, including with Bodnar.
I believe the limit is 105 now.

How do we get from $24-$40 million?

Haslam stated it would take the whole state to buy in if they want successful FBS teams.
 
Offer beer sales (football and basketball)
Slightly higher ticket prices (find it difficult to believe that fans are capped out completely)
Expect higher attendance at basketball games (much better competition)
Raise student athletic fees (JMU's is over $5,000!!). Even just a $2,000 student athletic fee raises $20,000,000
SOME state assistance
Increased donations from wealthy alums
Higher Appearance Fees (these are just a few examples from this year):

AlabamaWestern Kentucky$1.9 millionAug. 31
AuburnNew Mexico$1.9 millionSept. 14
GeorgiaUMass$1.9 millionNov. 23
MichiganFresno State$1.85 millionAug. 31
MichiganArkansas State$1.8 millionSept. 14
Ohio StateAkron$1.8 millionAug. 31
Ohio StateWestern Michigan$1.8 millionSept. 7
TexasColorado State$1.8 millionAug. 31
TexasUTSA$1.7 millionSept. 14
LSUSouth Alabama$1.65 millionSept. 28
I don't think the beer sales and probably not the increased hoops attendance raises much. Football ticket prices would get some, but $50 more for season tickets would be about $1 million (20,000 of revenue tickets times 6 games). A guarantee game. Less home playoff games would reduce some things a bit. New conference distributions and ncaa money.

Donors don't like to fund ongoing operational expenses. They like one-time projects or building expansion, I am told.

The Performance Center was for athletes and keeping the team near the top of FCS, as well as for any future move. So done for various reasons.

The students wouldn't go for large athletic fee increases. They rioted in the past about some fee increases. I can't imagine the State Legislature would be too excited about this. Some of the legislators, I am told, don't even like to fund the universities to the extent they do now.

And what about NIL? That's on top of this.
 
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