Harsh reality on roster changes

[GrizSteve]

CDA:..Gotta hate those TPS reports.

 

[runcatchscore]

Yes! Please!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: I am starting to wonder if two people in particular actually have jobs. While it was humorous at first, it is OLD now. I go on egriz to find out news and learn about football not to read two people fighting EVERY damn day on EVERY thread.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

This thread is really something for those who enjoy speed reading.

You can skip reading it for days. When (if) you return you can just click ahead three pages at a time and it's the same arguments being posted on pages 3, 6, 9, etc...

 

[daGrizJ]

And, if you try to get involved 75 will pop a word on you, like...........telelogical.

 

[PlayerRep]

The mention of specific players by the coach in a situation like this would call undue attention to them and would hurt them, as well as irritate their families and probably them too. It would be essentially "calling out" and adding insult to injury. Their feelings are already probably a bit hurt. Don't rub it in, is my view.

It simply isn't reasonable in this day and age.

The information is going to get out there. That's what this whole discussion is about for cripes sake. It's not rubbing anything in, it's thanking them.

The Missoulian has reported:

The Missoulian confirmed among the list of cuts were sophomore cornerback Chris Parker and redshirt freshman quarterback Willy Pflug.

Pflug, the offense's scout team QB this fall, was a highly touted recruit out of Portland's Sunset High School. He graduated early, forgoing his final semester of high school to enroll at Montana this past spring.

Now, this "called undue attention to them, hurt them, irritated their families, and probably them too." They were called out and injury was added to insult. Seriously?

Are you arguing the Missoulian should be censored? That this was wrong? This is pretty significant policy here.

Or are you saying that even if a press release had been issued to that effect Monday morning, that Colter would have still gone ahead and reported the wrong names?

I have already suggested that the coach would sit down with the players, show them a proposed press release, and obtain their approval. That's how its done in the sport world I am familiar with. It is proven and tested many thousands of times over. Are you objecting to the players even having any such role at all?

This just isn't that hard. It's the rumors that hurt the kids, not publicly thanking them and wishing them well.

Is the Missoulian wrong?

Again, college football teams generally don't announce what is told to players in post-season and post-spring ball meetings/evaluations, especially close to the time of the meetings. In certain special situations, they may. It would be unwise to do so, in my view. It would also be a minor nightmare for teams to do so. It would do more harm than good.

It doesn't matter if some information leaks out there. Information leaks out there constantly. Putting out a press release or having a press conference would call much more attention to the situation and to the affected players. Not a good idea. Even with press releases, thing leak and rumors start. A press release might actually increase the number of rumors and speculation.

I'm fine with Stitt calling out a reporter or two. His prerogative. No, this is such a tiny thing that, of course, the Missoulian doesn't wouldn't be censured, and jeez who would do it. A silly comment by you.

Did Colter report the wrong names? Parker did his own tweeting, indicating he was leaving. Don't know about Pflug. If Colter put out the wrong name or names, then he deserves to get grief. However, a football coach and school doesn't need to put out press releases to keep reporters from goofing up. Reporters and the Missoulian goof up stuff constantly. There isn't enough paper for press releases to keep the Missoulian from goofing up and saying incorrect stuff in their stories.

No college football coach has enough time or skill to draft and show press releases on kids being "released", and perhaps their families, to get them to agree to it. Do you really think a kid who has just been cut wants to come back to the football office to meet with the coach, so they can go through the wording of a press release together. I can't imagine that hardly any kid would want to talk to Stitt in the hours or day or two after getting bad news, to read a press release about them. Many kids/families wouldn't want such a release anyway. This idea is just plain silly.

I agree that "this isn't hard", but you are sure trying to make it hard.

It isn't and wasn't a big deal, and I doubt that 25 people on earth think Stitt should have put out a press release immediately after the coaches talked to the players. I believe the meetings occurred over 2 days, by the way.

 

[MsMaroon]

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[UMGriz75]

I'm fine with Stitt calling out a reporter or two. His prerogative. No, this is such a tiny thing that, of course, the Missoulian doesn't wouldn't be censured, and jeez who would do it. A silly comment by you.

It's precisely what you said would "hurt the players."

It's precisely the point, especially with well known athletes. It either hurts the players or it doesn't. It can't be both.

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm fine with Stitt calling out a reporter or two. His prerogative. No, this is such a tiny thing that, of course, the Missoulian doesn't wouldn't be censured, and jeez who would do it. A silly comment by you.

It's precisely what you said would "hurt the players."

It's precisely the point, especially with well known athletes. It either hurts the players or it doesn't. It can't be both.

Huh? I said that a press release would call undue attention to the situation and would do more harm than good. I said a press release process would be unworkable. I didn't say that a coach calling out a reporter would hurt players. A college football program shouldn't revolve around hoping to head off mistakes by reporters.

 

[grizatwork]

This thread is really something for those who enjoy speed reading.

You can skip reading it for days. When (if) you return you can just click ahead three pages at a time and it's the same arguments being posted on pages 3, 6, 9, etc...

That is exactly how I read Michener's "Chesapeake" my Junior year in high school. I got an A on the book report.

 

[CFallsGriz]

Seriously you two knock it off... your quibbling is like that of a couple of 8 year olds... but thats not really fair to the 8 year olds.

Take a break or I will help you take a break!

That's some funny sh*t right there :lol:

 

[jodcon]

Seriously you two knock it off... your quibbling is like that of a couple of 8 year olds... but thats not really fair to the 8 year olds.

Take a break or I will help you take a break!

I think someone needs a time-out, and it's not the 54 guys on the same page.

 

[grizindabox]

 

[mtgrizrule]

In an effort to keep yet another thread from derailing, you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I honestly don't see any part of this as a big deal.

Oh, I think that where the "policy" -- a dumb one -- finally attracted attention was when a highly touted athlete was cut. This kid was the hottest thing since French toast for most of you. Of course that attracts a higher level of attention ... and scrutiny. And rumor. Anybody trying to pretend otherwise is doing that ... pretending.

Suppose it had been ... Brady Gustafson. And Stitt said nothing. Is any one of you arguing it would be nobody's business? Well, for most of you, this was the next guy in line, but all of sudden you want the rest of the world to line up like a bunch of monkey's? If you don't say anything, you're going to get speculation and questions. For those of you wearing blinders, this is how the real world works, has always worked and will always work, and even more so with social media expanding.

However, when I said it was a minor controversy ...

"Not dissing them in public" is precisely what I am saying. When you say nothing, that invokes the rumor mill. There's no speculation about that; that's what this whole minor controversy is exactly about

you didn't seem willing to agree ... then. It's going to get worse, not better, unless you do something about it, get out of the stone age of football, and get proactive.

This is a classic example of what happens when you attempt to do things in "secret" in this day and age, and feel that you, the manager of a public program on a public payroll in a very public program, feel that you don't have any accountability for decisions very important to the kids involved. You are going to create rumors.

Let me repeat that for those of you who are "shocked, absolutely shocked" to discover that when you refuse to provide information, people, media, players, parents ... speculate.

That's what happens. Every time that you refuse to do anything to prevent it.

If any of you are that naive ... welcome to egriz.

You keep acting like something big happened. Sorry, but nothing big has happened. A small, normal run-of-the-mill occurrence, as Grizrule has pointed out. Nothing that a coach should comment on, especially right after it happens. Feel free to give us examples of other programs announcing immediately what has been said in end-of-season and after-spring-ball meetings with players. It would be a minor nightmare for coaches to routinely do announcements like this.

It appears to me that so much of the public feels they have the right to know everything behind every coaching decision. If a coach and/or university should choose to divulge information to the public, fine. If they should choose to limit the information and keep it private, that is fine too.

Granted, I have no way of knowing what Stitt's intention was as to what information to release when. Simply a guess here. I believe the new roster changes and some reasoning behind the roster changes would have been addressed to the public come signing day. The information would have likely been general by summarizing what the new class will bring the program, and why others were not brought back. Is it so wrong for coach Stitt to commit to getting the players in system he feels are the best fit to bring the GRIZ to a championship contending team?

As the season played out, it seems pretty obvious to me and apparently Coach Stitt the GRIZ struggled with more physical teams this season. The games we lost were to teams who controlled the trenches and the ball. Stitt originally went with a mix of big and small WR's. He experimented a lot with various formations and personnel groups in an effort to improve the team. Unfortunately, with in an inconsistent OL, the bigger more physical imposing WR's were more beneficial, and appear to be more beneficial moving forward. His decisions at WR surely seem to make sense to me. As for QB, we experienced a wide variety of QB this season, due to injury. Thankfully, each QB won games for the GRIZ. As the season played out, the offense appeared more imposing and better with a pocket passing and quick decision making QB, than it did with a more athletic scrambling type QB. I am guessing, the decision to part ways with Pflug was more a system comfort than anything else. It will be interesting to see where Pflug moves onto. I have a feeling he will do well.

Also take note as to the kind of players the GRIZ have signed and still are trying to get. These players appear to be more physical kind of players at every position, especially the OL and DL. It really looks to me that Stitt wants to have a mental advantage with physical players before any game begins. Pretty much the same kind of attitude we have seen with NDSU and Hauck led GRIZ teams. The difference is, Stitt wants to also use a more innovative and faster offense to go with the physical attributes.

I like that Stitt is instilling "attitude" in the program. That attitude has been lacking since Bobby Hauck departed. Overall, I feel Stitt is making the right decisions and certainly has the right ultimate goal in mind. He wants what our fan base wants...........NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!

 

[Addicted2Mediocracy]

I'm going to hope our coaching staff is intelligent enough to know changes were necessary long before our recent beat down. Maybe the NDSU game was the eye opener for you BW?
Best thing Stitt can do is at least appear to have a plan and changing out players gives that appearance. Hope it works. This year's incoming group looks impressive. Pray Stitt's moves work out better than Chip Kelly's.

 

[grizpack]

Once again. We as boosters, supporters, fans, general public have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO KNOW all of the facts. Let it go for shits sake. I'm sorry of some of the parents or boosters or fans feathers were ruffled. But Let it GO!!!

75 - You are usually a very rational poster. And obviously an attorney. But you aren't changing anyone's minds. Kids got cut. It happens every time there is a coaching change. Some handle it better than others (both coaches and the kids and families getting cut). But that is life. Move on. The kids will hopefully learn from it.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

CDA:..Gotta hate those TPS reports.

I hate the cover sheets!

 

[AZDoc]

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This is why I voted for you! To the point.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

In an effort to keep yet another thread from derailing, you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I honestly don't see any part of this as a big deal.

Oh, I think that where the "policy" -- a dumb one -- finally attracted attention was when a highly touted athlete was cut. This kid was the hottest thing since French toast for most of you. Of course that attracts a higher level of attention ... and scrutiny. And rumor. Anybody trying to pretend otherwise is doing that ... pretending.

Suppose it had been ... Brady Gustafson. And Stitt said nothing. Is any one of you arguing it would be nobody's business? Well, for most of you, this was the next guy in line, but all of sudden you want the rest of the world to line up like a bunch of monkey's? If you don't say anything, you're going to get speculation and questions. For those of you wearing blinders, this is how the real world works, has always worked and will always work, and even more so with social media expanding.

However, when I said it was a minor controversy ...

"Not dissing them in public" is precisely what I am saying. When you say nothing, that invokes the rumor mill. There's no speculation about that; that's what this whole minor controversy is exactly about

you didn't seem willing to agree ... then. It's going to get worse, not better, unless you do something about it, get out of the stone age of football, and get proactive.

This is a classic example of what happens when you attempt to do things in "secret" in this day and age, and feel that you, the manager of a public program on a public payroll in a very public program, feel that you don't have any accountability for decisions very important to the kids involved. You are going to create rumors.

Let me repeat that for those of you who are "shocked, absolutely shocked" to discover that when you refuse to provide information, people, media, players, parents ... speculate.

That's what happens. Every time that you refuse to do anything to prevent it.

If any of you are that naive ... welcome to egriz.

You keep acting like something big happened. Sorry, but nothing big has happened. A small, normal run-of-the-mill occurrence, as Grizrule has pointed out. Nothing that a coach should comment on, especially right after it happens. Feel free to give us examples of other programs announcing immediately what has been said in end-of-season and after-spring-ball meetings with players. It would be a minor nightmare for coaches to routinely do announcements like this.

It appears to me that so much of the public feels they have the right to know everything behind every coaching decision. If a coach and/or university should choose to divulge information to the public, fine. If they should choose to limit the information and keep it private, that is fine too.

Granted, I have no way of knowing what Stitt's intention was as to what information to release when. Simply a guess here. I believe the new roster changes and some reasoning behind the roster changes would have been addressed to the public come signing day. The information would have likely been general by summarizing what the new class will bring the program, and why others were not brought back. Is it so wrong for coach Stitt to commit to getting the players in system he feels are the best fit to bring the GRIZ to a championship contending team?

As the season played out, it seems pretty obvious to me and apparently Coach Stitt the GRIZ struggled with more physical teams this season. The games we lost were to teams who controlled the trenches and the ball. Stitt originally went with a mix of big and small WR's. He experimented a lot with various formations and personnel groups in an effort to improve the team. Unfortunately, with in an inconsistent OL, the bigger more physical imposing WR's were more beneficial, and appear to be more beneficial moving forward. His decisions at WR surely seem to make sense to me. As for QB, we experienced a wide variety of QB this season, due to injury. Thankfully, each QB won games for the GRIZ. As the season played out, the offense appeared more imposing and better with a pocket passing and quick decision making QB, than it did with a more athletic scrambling type QB. I am guessing, the decision to part ways with Pflug was more a system comfort than anything else. It will be interesting to see where Pflug moves onto. I have a feeling he will do well.

Also take note as to the kind of players the GRIZ have signed and still are trying to get. These players appear to be more physical kind of players at every position, especially the OL and DL. It really looks to me that Stitt wants to have a mental advantage with physical players before any game begins. Pretty much the same kind of attitude we have seen with NDSU and Hauck led GRIZ teams. The difference is, Stitt wants to also use a more innovative and faster offense to go with the physical attributes.

I like that Stitt is instilling "attitude" in the program. That attitude has been lacking since Bobby Hauck departed. Overall, I feel Stitt is making the right decisions and certainly has the right ultimate goal in mind. He wants what our fan base wants...........NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!

Not trying to debate the flow of information to the public, but on the Pflug decision, has anybody wondered what Stitt will do if Jensen gets a FBS offer?

 

[grizindabox]

Oh, I think that where the "policy" -- a dumb one -- finally attracted attention was when a highly touted athlete was cut. This kid was the hottest thing since French toast for most of you. Of course that attracts a higher level of attention ... and scrutiny. And rumor. Anybody trying to pretend otherwise is doing that ... pretending.

Suppose it had been ... Brady Gustafson. And Stitt said nothing. Is any one of you arguing it would be nobody's business? Well, for most of you, this was the next guy in line, but all of sudden you want the rest of the world to line up like a bunch of monkey's? If you don't say anything, you're going to get speculation and questions. For those of you wearing blinders, this is how the real world works, has always worked and will always work, and even more so with social media expanding.

However, when I said it was a minor controversy ...

you didn't seem willing to agree ... then. It's going to get worse, not better, unless you do something about it, get out of the stone age of football, and get proactive.

This is a classic example of what happens when you attempt to do things in "secret" in this day and age, and feel that you, the manager of a public program on a public payroll in a very public program, feel that you don't have any accountability for decisions very important to the kids involved. You are going to create rumors.

Let me repeat that for those of you who are "shocked, absolutely shocked" to discover that when you refuse to provide information, people, media, players, parents ... speculate.

That's what happens. Every time that you refuse to do anything to prevent it.

If any of you are that naive ... welcome to egriz.

You keep acting like something big happened. Sorry, but nothing big has happened. A small, normal run-of-the-mill occurrence, as Grizrule has pointed out. Nothing that a coach should comment on, especially right after it happens. Feel free to give us examples of other programs announcing immediately what has been said in end-of-season and after-spring-ball meetings with players. It would be a minor nightmare for coaches to routinely do announcements like this.

It appears to me that so much of the public feels they have the right to know everything behind every coaching decision. If a coach and/or university should choose to divulge information to the public, fine. If they should choose to limit the information and keep it private, that is fine too.

Granted, I have no way of knowing what Stitt's intention was as to what information to release when. Simply a guess here. I believe the new roster changes and some reasoning behind the roster changes would have been addressed to the public come signing day. The information would have likely been general by summarizing what the new class will bring the program, and why others were not brought back. Is it so wrong for coach Stitt to commit to getting the players in system he feels are the best fit to bring the GRIZ to a championship contending team?

As the season played out, it seems pretty obvious to me and apparently Coach Stitt the GRIZ struggled with more physical teams this season. The games we lost were to teams who controlled the trenches and the ball. Stitt originally went with a mix of big and small WR's. He experimented a lot with various formations and personnel groups in an effort to improve the team. Unfortunately, with in an inconsistent OL, the bigger more physical imposing WR's were more beneficial, and appear to be more beneficial moving forward. His decisions at WR surely seem to make sense to me. As for QB, we experienced a wide variety of QB this season, due to injury. Thankfully, each QB won games for the GRIZ. As the season played out, the offense appeared more imposing and better with a pocket passing and quick decision making QB, than it did with a more athletic scrambling type QB. I am guessing, the decision to part ways with Pflug was more a system comfort than anything else. It will be interesting to see where Pflug moves onto. I have a feeling he will do well.

Also take note as to the kind of players the GRIZ have signed and still are trying to get. These players appear to be more physical kind of players at every position, especially the OL and DL. It really looks to me that Stitt wants to have a mental advantage with physical players before any game begins. Pretty much the same kind of attitude we have seen with NDSU and Hauck led GRIZ teams. The difference is, Stitt wants to also use a more innovative and faster offense to go with the physical attributes.

I like that Stitt is instilling "attitude" in the program. That attitude has been lacking since Bobby Hauck departed. Overall, I feel Stitt is making the right decisions and certainly has the right ultimate goal in mind. He wants what our fan base wants...........NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!

Not trying to debate the flow of information to the public, but on the Pflug decision, has anybody wondered what Stitt will do if Jensen gets a FBS offer?

I don't think the Pflug decision was based on Jensen specifically....Pflug was just not a fit for Stitt...not even as a fallback....

 

[UMGriz75]

Not trying to debate the flow of information to the public, but on the Pflug decision, has anybody wondered what Stitt will do if Jensen gets a FBS offer?

I don't think the Pflug decision was based on Jensen specifically....Pflug was just not a fit for Stitt...not even as a fallback....

It was more than just the "flow of information." Team not happy with Stitt.