Harsh reality on roster changes

[mtgrizrule]

Why is this such big deal here this year? Every year the roster changes.

That's not even the point, not at all. It came up at a press conference this year. Coach acted petulant in public. Had he done the right thing. Nothing. He didn't.

If he throws another tantrum in public, same reaction. He caused this, then he blamed somebody else for the results.

I'd be a little upset also, if anyone (not just the media) started rumors about me, job, or business as well. Stitt, like many other coaches should be respected in doing this on whatever their time frame is. Personally, I am glad Stitt spoke up about it. Stitt's job is to build the program back to a FCS elite title contender. He has the backing of Haslam, Engstrom, BOR, etc. The media should respect that this program is his program,and should not be leaking out information before all the facts are known. Stitt has the right to do this on his time frame, as the man in charge of the program. He does not need us or the media jumping the gun on things like this.

In an effort to keep yet another thread from derailing, you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I honestly don't see any part of this as a big deal.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I had some friends at work once who were really good at their jobs but just weren't a good fit. I was pretty disenchanted with the company at the time and was pretty checked out. Anyway, the company hired these consultants to conduct some layoffs. I thought I'd for sure get the axe and a nice severance package, but they actually promoted me instead! My two friends, who were actually better at their jobs than I was at mine, got the boot. No goodbye parties, no see ya laters, just, "here's your last check and a banker's box." One older guy who was fired got so upset that he tried to kill himself in his garage and then got in a car accident. My friends eventually got so pissed that they devised a scheme to rip off the company by rounding fractions of pennies off each transaction and throwing those amounts into a separate bank account. It was like Superman 3. I hope the players who got cut don't try anything similar.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

When I got cut from Pee Wee baseball, the only ones who knew were me and my family.....until my dipshit brother blabbed it all around the neighborhood. Wouldn't have helped me if the coach sent a press release to our neighbors. Stitt went out and dressed down blabbermouth press offenders. I beat the crap out of my blabber mouth brother. I think we both handled it right

 

[CDAGRIZ]

When I got cut from Pee Wee baseball, the only ones who knew were me and my family.....until my dipshit brother blabbed it all around the neighborhood. Wouldn't have helped me if the coach sent a press release to our neighbors. Stitt went out and dressed down blabbermouth press offenders. I beat the crap out of my blabber mouth brother. I think we both handled it right

Let me guess: he was your lil' bro?

 

[horribilisfan8184]

When I got cut from Pee Wee baseball, the only ones who knew were me and my family.....until my dipshit brother blabbed it all around the neighborhood. Wouldn't have helped me if the coach sent a press release to our neighbors. Stitt went out and dressed down blabbermouth press offenders. I beat the crap out of my blabber mouth brother. I think we both handled it right

Let me guess: he was your lil' bro?

No, but he is a Cat fan...

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Why is this such big deal here this year? Every year the roster changes. The changes are usually a little higher after the 1st year of a coaching and/or system change. I posted just after Stitt's hiring we would likely see a lot of roster changes after his 1st year, and it is happening.

It does suck for the impacted players and their families. Most of the players will find a new home to continue their playing and academics. I am glad to see Stitt wasted no time in doing so. He witnessed 1st hand the separation between Montana and NDSU. Like it or not, they are the program setting the bar for the FCS. Fortunately, Montana is 1 of the few programs in position to compete with them soon. With the right roster changes, the GRIZ very well could be going from pretenders to championship contenders again.

This is also a good sign for the program to the players and the fans. To me, it means Stitt is not wasting time to dwell on the 2015 season. He immediately dedicated himself to the 2016 season. 2016 began as soon as the NDSU game ended. He is busting his ass for 2016 and setting the tone for the returning players. He is 100% correct in his approach. I agree with him, once you have your scholarship, a player cannot and should not coast. The scholarships are a year to year commitment by each party. Stitt has given the impacted players as much time as possible to find a new program and school to be part of. Most of them will still be getting a scholarship, just not at Montana. To each of the impacted players, I wish them well. To the new players, welcome to GRIZ Nation. To coach Stitt, thank you for your dedication to your job, especially the toughest part of roster changes.

Here is to hoping the roster changes/cuts have sent a loud clear message to every returner and every recruit that excellence and dedication is expected your whole time as a GRIZ! GO GRIZ!!!

THE PRIDE AND TRADITION OF THE MONTANA GRIZZLIES WILL NOT BE ENTRUSTED TO THE SCHOLARSHIP COASTERS!!!!!!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

When I got cut from Pee Wee baseball, the only ones who knew were me and my family.....until my dipshit brother blabbed it all around the neighborhood. Wouldn't have helped me if the coach sent a press release to our neighbors. Stitt went out and dressed down blabbermouth press offenders. I beat the crap out of my blabber mouth brother. I think we both handled it right

Let me guess: he was your lil' bro?

No, but he is a Cat fan...

Same thing.

 

[UMGriz75]

In an effort to keep yet another thread from derailing, you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I honestly don't see any part of this as a big deal.

Oh, I think that where the "policy" -- a dumb one -- finally attracted attention was when a highly touted athlete was cut. This kid was the hottest thing since French toast for most of you. Of course that attracts a higher level of attention ... and scrutiny. And rumor. Anybody trying to pretend otherwise is doing that ... pretending.

Suppose it had been ... Brady Gustafson. And Stitt said nothing. Is any one of you arguing it would be nobody's business? Well, for most of you, this was the next guy in line, but all of sudden you want the rest of the world to line up like a bunch of monkey's? If you don't say anything, you're going to get speculation and questions. For those of you wearing blinders, this is how the real world works, has always worked and will always work, and even more so with social media expanding.

However, when I said it was a minor controversy ...

"Not dissing them in public" is precisely what I am saying. When you say nothing, that invokes the rumor mill. There's no speculation about that; that's what this whole minor controversy is exactly about

you didn't seem willing to agree ... then. It's going to get worse, not better, unless you do something about it, get out of the stone age of football, and get proactive.

This is a classic example of what happens when you attempt to do things in "secret" in this day and age, and feel that you, the manager of a public program on a public payroll in a very public program, feel that you don't have any accountability for decisions very important to the kids involved. You are going to create rumors.

Let me repeat that for those of you who are "shocked, absolutely shocked" to discover that when you refuse to provide information, people, media, players, parents ... speculate.

That's what happens. Every time that you refuse to do anything to prevent it.

If any of you are that naive ... welcome to egriz.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Pose the actual question correctly:

Let these kids go out with a public acknowledgment of their contributions, a pat on the back, and best wishes.

How would that hurt the program?
How would that encourage speculation about the wrong players?
How would that hurt the discharged players?
How would that hurt future roster changes?
How would that damage the idea of necessary roster changes?
How would that hurt player's future recruitment chances?

Why is it NOT the right thing to do?

Be specific.

The cause of this is nothing you point to. The cause of this is the disclosure of the information to the public, and the re-broadcasting of rumor without confirmation by members of the press. Why don't you fault the blabbermouths? Be specific. And please don't use the youth excuse. Students are adults and in the University setting are treated as adults. Ever consider the fact some players went public with their news, as a sign of immaturity, and maybe a clue as to why they were let go?

 

[PlayerRep]

In an effort to keep yet another thread from derailing, you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I honestly don't see any part of this as a big deal.

Oh, I think that where the "policy" -- a dumb one -- finally attracted attention was when a highly touted athlete was cut. This kid was the hottest thing since French toast for most of you. Of course that attracts a higher level of attention ... and scrutiny. And rumor. Anybody trying to pretend otherwise is doing that ... pretending.

Suppose it had been ... Brady Gustafson. And Stitt said nothing. Is any one of you arguing it would be nobody's business? Well, for most of you, this was the next guy in line, but all of sudden you want the rest of the world to line up like a bunch of monkey's? If you don't say anything, you're going to get speculation and questions. For those of you wearing blinders, this is how the real world works, has always worked and will always work, and even more so with social media expanding.

However, when I said it was a minor controversy ...

"Not dissing them in public" is precisely what I am saying. When you say nothing, that invokes the rumor mill. There's no speculation about that; that's what this whole minor controversy is exactly about

you didn't seem willing to agree ... then. It's going to get worse, not better, unless you do something about it, get out of the stone age of football, and get proactive.

This is a classic example of what happens when you attempt to do things in "secret" in this day and age, and feel that you, the manager of a public program on a public payroll in a very public program, feel that you don't have any accountability for decisions very important to the kids involved. You are going to create rumors.

Let me repeat that for those of you who are "shocked, absolutely shocked" to discover that when you refuse to provide information, people, media, players, parents ... speculate.

That's what happens. Every time that you refuse to do anything to prevent it.

If any of you are that naive ... welcome to egriz.

You keep acting like something big happened. Sorry, but nothing big has happened. A small, normal run-of-the-mill occurrence, as Grizrule has pointed out. Nothing that a coach should comment on, especially right after it happens. Feel free to give us examples of other programs announcing immediately what has been said in end-of-season and after-spring-ball meetings with players. It would be a minor nightmare for coaches to routinely do announcements like this.

 

[UMGriz75]

The media should respect that this program is his program,and should not be leaking out information before all the facts are known.

I agree, the facts were known about this popular QB recruit, who perhaps attracted more attention than any other in recent years, a natural object of public interest because of the publicity that the football program itself gave to his recruitment, using University scholarship money to make the catch.

Now, given the program's own publicity about the kid, the fact that the "facts" were in fact known last Monday morning what's the rationale that those "facts" should be concealed from the public?

And, what does media ordinarily do when facts are intentionally concealed from the public by those who know those facts?

They go to other sources. I am shocked myself that any or all of you believe that the media's job is to print press releases from coaches, and when coaches refuse to talk, to do nothing more. But the fact is, when public officials refuse to disclose known facts, that's pretty much the media's job in our society: to seek out other sources.

And where does the blame lie when other sources prove to be wrong? That the party intentionally witholding the "facts" gets to denounce the media (and the source who likely was with the program somehow) as not getting it right? What's the game: "can you find out what I already know?" Well, that's just not going to cut it today. This isn't the 1960s anymore.

You guys will be a great source of viewpoints when the next financial scandal hits the athletic department, which hopefully it never does, but we already know where most of you stand if it does.

 

[PlayerRep]

Pose the actual question correctly:

Let these kids go out with a public acknowledgment of their contributions, a pat on the back, and best wishes.

How would that hurt the program?
How would that encourage speculation about the wrong players?
How would that hurt the discharged players?
How would that hurt future roster changes?
How would that damage the idea of necessary roster changes?
How would that hurt player's future recruitment chances?

Why is it NOT the right thing to do?

Be specific.

Not sure what you would want, but if a coach makes a public announcement that players have been cut or told to leave, or that specific players have been told to leave, this makes what should be a private thing into a big story and it gets all over the press. Generally, a coach should not do that.

In this situation, very few names have gotten into newspaper articles. The vast majority of Griz fans don't even look at twitter, nor at egriz.

The mention of specific players by the coach in a situation like this would call undue attention to them and would hurt them, as well as irritate their families and probably them too. It would be essentially "calling out" and adding insult to injury. Their feelings are already probably a bit hurt. Don't rub it in, is my view.

 

[UMGriz75]

The mention of specific players by the coach in a situation like this would call undue attention to them and would hurt them, as well as irritate their families and probably them too. It would be essentially "calling out" and adding insult to injury. Their feelings are already probably a bit hurt. Don't rub it in, is my view.

It simply isn't reasonable in this day and age.

The information is going to get out there. That's what this whole discussion is about for cripes sake. It's not rubbing anything in, it's thanking them.

The Missoulian has reported:

The Missoulian confirmed among the list of cuts were sophomore cornerback Chris Parker and redshirt freshman quarterback Willy Pflug.

Pflug, the offense's scout team QB this fall, was a highly touted recruit out of Portland's Sunset High School. He graduated early, forgoing his final semester of high school to enroll at Montana this past spring.

Now, this "called undue attention to them, hurt them, irritated their families, and probably them too." They were called out and injury was added to insult. Seriously?

Are you arguing the Missoulian should be censored? That this was wrong? This is pretty significant policy here.

Or are you saying that even if a press release had been issued to that effect Monday morning, that Colter would have still gone ahead and reported the wrong names?

I have already suggested that the coach would sit down with the players, show them a proposed press release, and obtain their approval. That's how its done in the sport world I am familiar with. It is proven and tested many thousands of times over. Are you objecting to the players even having any such role at all?

This just isn't that hard. It's the rumors that hurt the kids, not publicly thanking them and wishing them well.

Is the Missoulian wrong?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

This is fucking stupid, and by this I mean one person that continually wants to make a mountain out of a mole hill based on his agenda.

 

[UMGriz75]

This is f***[*] stupid, and by this I mean one person that continually wants to make a mountain out of a mole hill based on his agenda.

It is always entertaining when someone with an agenda accuses someone else of having one.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

This is f***[*] stupid, and by this I mean one person that continually wants to make a mountain out of a mole hill based on his agenda.

It is always entertaining when someone with an agenda accuses someone else of having one.

Not really, so quit doing it. If you weren't guilty, why did you reply?

 

[Paytonlives]

Seriously you two knock it off... your quibbling is like that of a couple of 8 year olds... but thats not really fair to the 8 year olds.

Take a break or I will help you take a break!

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Seriously you two knock it off... your quibbling is like that of a couple of 8 year olds... but thats not really fair to the 8 year olds.

Take a break or I will help you take a break!

 

[MsMaroon]

Seriously you two knock it off... your quibbling is like that of a couple of 8 year olds... but thats not really fair to the 8 year olds.

Take a break or I will help you take a break!

Pontificating 8 year-olds. :roll:

Payton. I'm begging you. I've done my best.

AoD

 

[grizindabox]

You tell em' Payton......