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[AZGrizFan]

Good stuff.
I was frustrated with the call on Ellis. It looked like a solid catch from where we were sitting, but I was not able to see if he might have been out of bounds. On a side note, I thought that side judge on the Griz sideline marked the ball short multiple times.
As for holding, I was not in any position to see that, but I was kind of glad the refs were going easy on holding calls, which they did most of the day. I guess that is your point, why all of a sudden is that a holding call when it was otherwise allowed all day-again I did not see that part of the play-so I am speculating.
As for the play where they called us for a double shift, the ref did not do a measurement which Stitt argued for couple of minutes. You could see Stitt was upset with spot and then the lack of measurement-chains had already been moved. By the way, illegal formation does not stop the play. It was OK for Poly to decline.
All in all a good read.

Point of clarification, the call was "illegal shift", which apparently it's ALSO allowed to decline. Not sure what the difference is between "illegal shift" and "illegal motion"....maybe one of the resident experts here can enlighten?

 

[AZGrizFan]

On the first clip, where it is argued that Gus has room to run; You see #43, a LB, rush into the play from Gus's side. His assignment is contain on that side, he might be the player Gus is reading (but you can't see it on that clip) It makes more sense for Gus to run into the boundary on the 3-1 set, as fewer defenders will be on that side of the field.

Agreed. That guy crashes in BECAUSE Gus handed the ball off. He'd have had him dead-to-rights if Gus had kept it.

 

[EverettGriz]

Good stuff.
I was frustrated with the call on Ellis. It looked like a solid catch from where we were sitting, but I was not able to see if he might have been out of bounds. On a side note, I thought that side judge on the Griz sideline marked the ball short multiple times.
As for holding, I was not in any position to see that, but I was kind of glad the refs were going easy on holding calls, which they did most of the day. I guess that is your point, why all of a sudden is that a holding call when it was otherwise allowed all day-again I did not see that part of the play-so I am speculating.
As for the play where they called us for a double shift, the ref did not do a measurement which Stitt argued for couple of minutes. You could see Stitt was upset with spot and then the lack of measurement-chains had already been moved. By the way, illegal formation does not stop the play. It was OK for Poly to decline.
All in all a good read.

Point of clarification, the call was "illegal shift", which apparently it's ALSO allowed to decline. Not sure what the difference is between "illegal shift" and "illegal motion"....maybe one of the resident experts here can enlighten?

Illegal motion involves the movement of only one player, and is called when a movement isn't legal, say a wideout in motion turns up field prior to the snap. Shifts involve the movement of more than one player and it becomes an illegal move if both are not set prior to the snap.

 

[argh!]

Point of clarification, the call was "illegal shift", which apparently it's ALSO allowed to decline. Not sure what the difference is between "illegal shift" and "illegal motion"....maybe one of the resident experts here can enlighten?

Illegal motion involves the movement of only one player, and is called when a movement isn't legal, say a wideout in motion turns up field prior to the snap. Shifts involve the movement of more than one player and it becomes an illegal move if both are not set prior to the snap.

hey! take that back. he requested an opinion from a resident expert, not someone who knows the answer!

 

[EverettGriz]

Point of clarification, the call was "illegal shift", which apparently it's ALSO allowed to decline. Not sure what the difference is between "illegal shift" and "illegal motion"....maybe one of the resident experts here can enlighten?

Illegal motion involves the movement of only one player, and is called when a movement isn't legal, say a wideout in motion turns up field prior to the snap. Shifts involve the movement of more than one player and it becomes an illegal move if both are not set prior to the snap.

hey! take that back. he requested an opinion from a resident expert, not someone who knows the answer!

Thank you for that important reminder, argh!. In the future I'll certainly defer to one of our esteemed RE's.

 

[PlayerRep]

Of course you're curious about that. You love to see the Griz lose. So I'll make it easier on you CatzWillRise. Cal Poly WON. This Griz fan is willing to give them all the credit for that, because that's ALL that matters. They won, the Griz lost. The refs didn't cost the Griz the game. The END. Happy now?

Having said that, fans questioning calls, or even using them to make themselves feel better about a loss isn't exclusive to Griz fans. Come on, seriously, look at BN after an MSU loss. Please.

The refs blew enough calls to cost UM this game, in my view. I saw every bad call listed in that article, in real time, and thought they were bad calls. The Henderson fumble also looked bad on the replay. Ref often blow enough calls to influence the outcomes of close games. It's part of games, but these guys sucked worse than most. The Henderson fumble should have been easy for the replay official to see and get right. The Henderson non-catch on the sideline was truly an unbelievable bad call. The ref who was behind the play not too many yards should be forced to retire. No excuse for such a horrible call.

Wrong. There was no indisputable video evidence. Cal Poly got screwed on several calls as well if you take off the maroon colored shades and watch the replay.

While someone said the replay official didn't have much for video, the screen shots posted from the front and side are in fact indisputable evidence that Henderson didn't fumble, n my view,. He had the ball tucked in his right arm when both knees hit the ground. You need to put on some glasses and look at those views. Feel free to name the plays in which CP was screwed. I'd be happy to discuss with you.