LivingstonNative
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Griz vs UNDSU Game Thread
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Watched the game on pluto...
over the years coaching basketball maybe the most frustrating defense to face, outside of a matchup zone, is a packed in man defense. North Dakota State is great at defending below the free throw line, and they did an excellent job in the first half at cutting off dribble drive. They had help everywhere. The outcome is a lot of muddled possessions, turnovers and jump shots. We just haven't had in a number of years the ability to play on the perimeter and shoot teams out of those compressed defensive sets. There was a lot of brutal waste 20 seconds of the shot clock and get marginal shots. That was an problem in teh Irvine game as well.
For me to beat teams like that you have to show patience and move the ball horizontally. The best dribble drives against this type of defense is after a quick reversal or skip pass. Not taking the first angled drive, because you have to kick it back out or you have to reverse dribble out.The ball really bogs down to the one side and your spacing the pits. By sitting on the wing waiting for Akoh to get possession. Part of the philosophy is that coaches like to get the ball to the post because it forces compression of the defense, and you try to skip opposite out of it, but to me on a 30 second shot clock you are spending 10 seconds of it trying to get a post look that absolutely won't result in a good shot, and will be kicked back out. In an ideal world you get the post on the ball reversal rather than on a post or a post reset.
I think is why Falls saw so much time in the second half. He's great off ball at finding angles, and he is willing to skip it to the opposite side to force the defense to slide over. He's a beast for the off ball guard to defend because he does move to creases, and he closes distance really well.
The rotations have no continuity, and it seems like Dorsey and Manuel are a bit adrift at this point. Neither seem to have taken to the Pridgett role from last year. They shouldn't be just space takers on the floor considering their talent level, yet right now they are a bit adrift. I was thinking last night, the team from a continuity standpoint might be better with Dorsey or Manuel starting in Pridgett's position. Pridgett knows that role, thrives in it, but those two just seem like they need more time, more action to tap their full ability.
over the years coaching basketball maybe the most frustrating defense to face, outside of a matchup zone, is a packed in man defense. North Dakota State is great at defending below the free throw line, and they did an excellent job in the first half at cutting off dribble drive. They had help everywhere. The outcome is a lot of muddled possessions, turnovers and jump shots. We just haven't had in a number of years the ability to play on the perimeter and shoot teams out of those compressed defensive sets. There was a lot of brutal waste 20 seconds of the shot clock and get marginal shots. That was an problem in teh Irvine game as well.
For me to beat teams like that you have to show patience and move the ball horizontally. The best dribble drives against this type of defense is after a quick reversal or skip pass. Not taking the first angled drive, because you have to kick it back out or you have to reverse dribble out.The ball really bogs down to the one side and your spacing the pits. By sitting on the wing waiting for Akoh to get possession. Part of the philosophy is that coaches like to get the ball to the post because it forces compression of the defense, and you try to skip opposite out of it, but to me on a 30 second shot clock you are spending 10 seconds of it trying to get a post look that absolutely won't result in a good shot, and will be kicked back out. In an ideal world you get the post on the ball reversal rather than on a post or a post reset.
I think is why Falls saw so much time in the second half. He's great off ball at finding angles, and he is willing to skip it to the opposite side to force the defense to slide over. He's a beast for the off ball guard to defend because he does move to creases, and he closes distance really well.
The rotations have no continuity, and it seems like Dorsey and Manuel are a bit adrift at this point. Neither seem to have taken to the Pridgett role from last year. They shouldn't be just space takers on the floor considering their talent level, yet right now they are a bit adrift. I was thinking last night, the team from a continuity standpoint might be better with Dorsey or Manuel starting in Pridgett's position. Pridgett knows that role, thrives in it, but those two just seem like they need more time, more action to tap their full ability.
The Bison used way too much of the shot clock. Had multiple violations. Took a bunch of bad shots. Think they only hit the one long 3. Bison hurt themselves by taking too much of the clock.
The Griz are now actually calling out the time when shot clock gets to about 10. Either that is new, or they are louder than they were.
Falls is a very good passer and can skip to the other side. But he got one of those picked off later in the game last night. He might have had 2 TO's close together. I love his passing, especially when he doesn't do them from in the air.
The game changed in the second half for various reasons, including because they took Akoh out of the low post and got him the ball outside.
The Griz missed a lot of close shots low in the paint, especially in the first half. Many weren't easy shots, but I bet the Griz missed at least 10 shots like that in the game. Shots that would often be made. NDSU must have been in or getting very good position, without fouling, because something was causing the shots of multiple players not to fall.
The Griz D was bothering NDSU's shooting too.
NDSU got big scoring from its bench. UM got very little.
The Griz are now actually calling out the time when shot clock gets to about 10. Either that is new, or they are louder than they were.
Falls is a very good passer and can skip to the other side. But he got one of those picked off later in the game last night. He might have had 2 TO's close together. I love his passing, especially when he doesn't do them from in the air.
The game changed in the second half for various reasons, including because they took Akoh out of the low post and got him the ball outside.
The Griz missed a lot of close shots low in the paint, especially in the first half. Many weren't easy shots, but I bet the Griz missed at least 10 shots like that in the game. Shots that would often be made. NDSU must have been in or getting very good position, without fouling, because something was causing the shots of multiple players not to fall.
The Griz D was bothering NDSU's shooting too.
NDSU got big scoring from its bench. UM got very little.
Zirg
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GrizLA said:
You have no idea what Travis and every-other Griz coach has to deal with scheduling games. We have 3 quality opponents leading up to Conference play, which is just what we need. The only reason we got NDSU to come to Missoula was thru the Summit/ Big Sky Conference agreement. To rip the scheduling could not be more ignorant. NOBODY will come to Missoula anymore without a reciprocal agreement or NAIA fodder. We are, literally, one of THE toughest places to get any D1 schools to come play us.
BelierPeaux
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Zirg said:
Not sure if they have it in the stats, but when watching the game, they did have one. And there was another late shot that landed in Bobby's hands when the clock hit zero but the refs didn't stop the action. This doesn't really matter, though. Bison did use the whole shot clock, it's their game plan, and it wasn't a bad plan. It had the Griz out of sorts in the first half.
Zirg
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PeauxRouge said:
NDSU did have a couple last-second shots (both you and PR are correct about that), but officially Montana had 1 Shot-Clock violation Turnover& NDSU had Zero, as I maintained. The one play that most ppl probably think was a turn-over was when NDSU shot an air-ball at the end of their shot-clock and was rebounded by the Griz a split-second after the shot-clock buzzer went off and one ref blew his whistle un-neccessarily. If the defending team has a clear rebound/possession in this circumstance the refs should not blow the whistle as it only penalizes the defending teams' ability to fast-break. NBA refs are better at letting these plays play-out before panicking and blowing the play dead. Therefore, that whistle was an "inadvertent whistle" in my opinion, and it was not ruled as a turnover officially.
