Griz vs SUU Game Thread

[cclarkblues]

I like the amazing shirtless beluga boy under the Griz basket. I couldn't hit a free throw with him there. Terrifying.

 

['68griz]

I like the amazing shirtless beluga boy under the Griz basket. I couldn't hit a free throw with him there. Terrifying.

:lol:

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

https://twitter.com/SkylineSportsMT/status/1079942987029798917

 

[grizzlyjournal]

I hope this will have been the worst-officiated game in Big Sky Conference play this season. Don't have my hopes up though. Yikes.

 

[EverettGriz]

Another solid win on a difficult road trip. Congrats GRIZ, and welcome back to Missoula for the forst time in nearly a month!


That said, does anyone else get the idea that the bsc brass calls the officiating room at halftime and says, “Look. There’s way too much flow to this game, dammit. We’re the bsc and we have a reputation to live down to. You’re going to start calling touch fouls on each trip. Don’t worry if blood is drawn, go ahead and let those go. But if a defender gets within 3 feet of that ball, there better be a fuxkin whistle. We need choppiness to our games. That’s our trademark. And besides, if people are bitching at you, they won’t email me about our ridiculously shitty streaming platform”.

 

[fanofzoo]

I hope this will have been the worst-officiated game in Big Sky Conference play this season. Don't have my hopes up though. Yikes.

same ole, same ole. What happened to bsc using pac 12 refs, they can't be that bad also.

 

[fanofzoo]

Another solid win on a difficult road trip. Congrats GRIZ, and welcome back to Missoula for the forst time in nearly a month!


That said, does anyone else get the idea that the bsc brass calls the officiating room at halftime and says, “Look. There’s way too much flow to this game, dammit. We’re the bsc and we have a reputation to live down to. You’re going to start calling touch fouls on each trip. Don’t worry if blood is drawn, go ahead and let those go. But if a defender gets within 3 feet of that ball, there better be a fuxkin whistle. We need choppiness to our games. That’s our trademark. And besides, if people are bitching at you, they won’t email me about our ridiculously shitty streaming platform”.

Yes I will, especially in these times.
Do I believe that the bsc (small letters) gets the officials ear at halftime, yes, I also believe in the second shooter at the grassy knoll.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

I hope this will have been the worst-officiated game in Big Sky Conference play this season. Don't have my hopes up though. Yikes.

same ole, same ole. What happened to bsc using pac 12 refs, they can't be that bad also.

Spoiler alert, the pac 12 refs are also....not great.

 

[grizindabox]

I hope this will have been the worst-officiated game in Big Sky Conference play this season. Don't have my hopes up though. Yikes.

same ole, same ole. What happened to bsc using pac 12 refs, they can't be that bad also.

The BSC pulls officials from the same pool as the Pac 12.

 

[EverettGriz]

Another solid win on a difficult road trip. Congrats GRIZ, and welcome back to Missoula for the forst time in nearly a month!


That said, does anyone else get the idea that the bsc brass calls the officiating room at halftime and says, “Look. There’s way too much flow to this game, dammit. We’re the bsc and we have a reputation to live down to. You’re going to start calling touch fouls on each trip. Don’t worry if blood is drawn, go ahead and let those go. But if a defender gets within 3 feet of that ball, there better be a fuxkin whistle. We need choppiness to our games. That’s our trademark. And besides, if people are bitching at you, they won’t email me about our ridiculously shitty streaming platform”.

Yes I will, especially in these times.
Do I believe that the bsc (small letters) gets the officials ear at halftime, yes, I also believe in the second shooter at the grassy knoll.

:lol: :lol: :clap:

 

[EverettGriz]

I hope this will have been the worst-officiated game in Big Sky Conference play this season. Don't have my hopes up though. Yikes.

same ole, same ole. What happened to bsc using pac 12 refs, they can't be that bad also.

The BSC pulls officials from the same pool as the Pac 12.

While both technically true, the reality is that the bsc gets the worst of the worst. I concur the P12 likely has the worst officiating of the P5 conferences. But it's worlds apart from what we see. And yes, it's the same pool. But in reality the bsc only gets P12 level officials on the rare nonconference game where none of the other conferences are playing. I assure you now that conference has started, the P12 and the WCC will get the top tier officials, the bsc gets what's left. Which is essentially the same level officiating you see in your local church league.

 

[grizindabox]

I hope this will have been the worst-officiated game in Big Sky Conference play this season. Don't have my hopes up though. Yikes.

same ole, same ole. What happened to bsc using pac 12 refs, they can't be that bad also.

The BSC pulls officials from the same pool as the Pac 12.

While both technically true, the reality is that the bsc gets the worst of the worst. I concur the P12 likely has the worst officiating of the P5 conferences. But it's worlds apart from what we see. And yes, it's the same pool. But in reality the bsc only gets P12 level officials on the rare nonconference game where none of the other conferences are playing. I assure you now that conference has started, the P12 and the WCC will get the top tier officials, the bsc gets what's left. Which is essentially the same level officiating you see in your local church league.

You must play in a top notch church league.

 

[Kabooom]

I hope this will have been the worst-officiated game in Big Sky Conference play this season. Don't have my hopes up though. Yikes.

same ole, same ole. What happened to bsc using pac 12 refs, they can't be that bad also.

The BSC pulls officials from the same pool as the Pac 12.

https://bigskyconf.com/news/2016/8/14/MBB_0814162311.aspx
Been this way for two years now...One Referee consortium for the Pac 12, Mtn West, Wac ,Big West, West Coast, and The Big Sky...That should be the least of the Griz's concerns playing Div.I B-Ball
If people want a good discussion, lets talk about the Big Sky being ranked as the 29th Best Conference in the land (out of 33) and in jeopardy of loosing it's auto-bid to the NCAA Tournament. If the Big Sky continues its current tail-spin in B-Ball, then it really needs to be addressed by the school.... Weber and Montana could parlay their basketball success to the Big West , or Wac if the BigSkyConf. keeps falling ....Continue to play football/all other sports in the Big Sky. Montana should have the leverage, but we all know that wouldn't fly with the State Capital of Athletics over at Bozeman St, and with the Board of Regents, and with additional travel expenses ect...Hey, but maybe a play-in game-affiliated-conference for a seat at the Big Dance is the way to go... :thumb:

Go Griz

 

[fanofzoo]

I hope this will have been the worst-officiated game in Big Sky Conference play this season. Don't have my hopes up though. Yikes.

same ole, same ole. What happened to bsc using pac 12 refs, they can't be that bad also.

The BSC pulls officials from the same pool as the Pac 12.

While both technically true, the reality is that the bsc gets the worst of the worst. I concur the P12 likely has the worst officiating of the P5 conferences. But it's worlds apart from what we see. And yes, it's the same pool. But in reality the bsc only gets P12 level officials on the rare nonconference game where none of the other conferences are playing. I assure you now that conference has started, the P12 and the WCC will get the top tier officials, the bsc gets what's left. Which is essentially the same level officiating you see in your local church league.

We called our own.

 

[IdaGriz01]

,,, If people want a good discussion, lets talk about the Big Sky being ranked as the 29th Best Conference in the land (out of 33) and in jeopardy of losing it's auto-bid to the NCAA Tournament. If the Big Sky continues its current tail-spin in B-Ball, then it really needs to be addressed by the school. ... Hey, but maybe a play-in game-affiliated-conference for a seat at the Big Dance is the way to go... :thumb:

Go Griz

Not sure who’s ranking you’re using. As of five minutes ago, the Big Sky was ranked #25 in conference RPI, according to RealTimeRPI (which does very well in matching the NCAA calculations). But either way, it is certainly true that the Big Sky, as a conference, sucks in basketball.

But UM is ranked 65 in RPI … better than Maryland, Clemson and Florida, BTW. And the SOS is not too bad, at 118.

But it’s the other point that needs to be addressed … the notion that the Sky could (somehow) lose its auto-bid. As it happens, I have archived basketball final results all the way back to 2010 (except for 2015, which somehow disappeared from my backup). Over that period, the BSC has had an average final RPI of 25.6, with a best of 18.

Meanwhile, the MEAC has ended at an average rank of 30.6, with 29 being their best. The SWAC stands at 31.6, with a best of 31. No one connected with the NCAA has ever suggested that those two conferences could/should lose their auto-bid. Now, I’ll grant that their status as HBCU (black) conferences may buy them some slack. But that would not hold for the Southland Conference, which has averaged 27.9 at the end of the season, with a best of 26. Again, you never hear anyone from the NCAA saying they could lose their auto-bid.

Considering the politics involved, I do not think rescinding an auto-bid is ever “on the table,” except when a conference actually goes belly-up. In fact, I’ve seen much more discussion of further expanding the field for the “Big Dance.”

 

[Potomac Griz]

If people want a good discussion, lets talk about the Big Sky being ranked as the 29th Best Conference in the land (out of 33) and in jeopardy of loosing it's auto-bid to the NCAA Tournament.

Out of curiosity where did you read that the Big Sky was in danger of losing it 's auto-bid to the NCAA tournament? Did the article you read mention any other conferences that were in jeopardy of losing their auto-bid to the NCAA tournament? With their being 32 auto bids and 32 conferences (not 33) I'm sure there are other conferences that'd be in more danger of losing their auto bid if the NCAA started removing auto bids. I don't think it's very likely any conference is going to have their auto-bid yanked though unless they suddenly only have a few members, or some other major issues. I would like to read the article though that you found which said that the Big Sky was in danger of losing theirs though so I can see what their reasoning is.

 

[TrueGriz]

,,, If people want a good discussion, lets talk about the Big Sky being ranked as the 29th Best Conference in the land (out of 33) and in jeopardy of losing it's auto-bid to the NCAA Tournament. If the Big Sky continues its current tail-spin in B-Ball, then it really needs to be addressed by the school. ... Hey, but maybe a play-in game-affiliated-conference for a seat at the Big Dance is the way to go... :thumb:

Go Griz

Not sure who’s ranking you’re using. As of five minutes ago, the Big Sky was ranked #25 in conference RPI, according to RealTimeRPI (which does very well in matching the NCAA calculations). But either way, it is certainly true that the Big Sky, as a conference, sucks in basketball.

But UM is ranked 65 in RPI … better than Maryland, Clemson and Florida, BTW. And the SOS is not too bad, at 118.

But it’s the other point that needs to be addressed … the notion that the Sky could (somehow) lose its auto-bid. As it happens, I have archived basketball final results all the way back to 2010 (except for 2015, which somehow disappeared from my backup). Over that period, the BSC has had an average final RPI of 25.6, with a best of 18.

Meanwhile, the MEAC has ended at an average rank of 30.6, with 29 being their best. The SWAC stands at 31.6, with a best of 31. No one connected with the NCAA has ever suggested that those two conferences could/should lose their auto-bid. Now, I’ll grant that their status as HBCU (black) conferences may buy them some slack. But that would not hold for the Southland Conference, which has averaged 27.9 at the end of the season, with a best of 26. Again, you never hear anyone from the NCAA saying they could lose their auto-bid.

Considering the politics involved, I do not think rescinding an auto-bid is ever “on the table,” except when a conference actually goes belly-up. In fact, I’ve seen much more discussion of further expanding the field for the “Big Dance.”

NCAA is no longer using RPI. NCAA is using NET for ranking for seeding purposes and Montana is ranked at 100 which is the best ranking in the Big Sky. Weber State is second ranked at 166 in NET. The RPI ranking of Montana at 65 is meaningless since NCAA is not using RPI.

So, maybe Kaboom is going by what the NCAA is using based on NET.

Below is the rankings using NET for games through 1/1/2019.

100 100 Montana Big Sky 9-4 3-3 2-1 2-0 2-0
166 166 Weber St. Big Sky 8-5 2-2 2-2 2-1 2-0
168 168 Northern Colo. Big Sky 8-5 5-3 0-2 1-0 2-0
245 244 Sacramento St. Big Sky 6-4 1-3 1-0 1-1 3-0
250 250 Idaho St. Big Sky 5-6 3-5 0-0 0-1 2-0
259 259 Southern Utah Big Sky 5-6 2-4 0-0 1-2 2-0
277 276 Portland St. Big Sky 5-7 0-3 0-1 2-3 3-0
292 291 Northern Ariz. Big Sky 3-9 1-7 0-0 2-2 0-0
294 294 Eastern Wash. Big Sky 3-10 0-7 0-0 2-3 1-0
300 300 Montana St. Big Sky 4-8 1-7 1-0 1-1 1-0
317 317 Idaho Big Sky 3-10 1-3 0-1 0-5 2-1

Since Montana is ranked at 100, I do not see Montana being in a play-in game. But since every team plays in the tournament, Idaho could win it, and since Idaho is the worst team in the Big Sky, I see a play-in game. Same with Montana State.

 

[Kabooom]

If people want a good discussion, lets talk about the Big Sky being ranked as the 29th Best Conference in the land (out of 33) and in jeopardy of loosing it's auto-bid to the NCAA Tournament.

Out of curiosity where did you read that the Big Sky was in danger of losing it 's auto-bid to the NCAA tournament? Did the article you read mention any other conferences that were in jeopardy of losing their auto-bid to the NCAA tournament? With their being 32 auto bids and 32 conferences (not 33) I'm sure there are other conferences that'd be in more danger of losing their auto bid if the NCAA started removing auto bids. I don't think it's very likely any conference is going to have their auto-bid yanked though unless they suddenly only have a few members, or some other major issues. I would like to read the article though that you found which said that the Big Sky was in danger of losing theirs though so I can see what their reasoning is.

Big Sky 29th in the latest Sagarin Ratings.http://sagarin.com/sports/cbsend.htm I believe Big Sky used to be rated considerably better than that over time.

Heathcote owned Marv Harshman in the confines of Harry Adams. And No, you wont find Washington scheduling road games with Montana any more.No more Stanfords, Oregon States, or Washington States. You see, it used to not be such a bad thing to loose to Montana on the road...Yes the Big sky is trending down and if it continues, loosing the auto-bid could happen. Maybe not this year or next, but it should be a concern. The play-in game is a very real scenario for most of the Big Sky B-Ball teams. (given their current ratings)

 

[IdaGriz01]

... Heathcote owned Marv Harshman in the confines of Harry Adams. And No, you wont find Washington scheduling road games with Montana any more. No more Stanfords, Oregon States, or Washington States. You see, it used to not be such a bad thing to loose to Montana on the road...Yes the Big sky is trending down and if it continues, loosing the auto-bid could happen. Maybe not this year or next, but it should be a concern. The play-in game is a very real scenario for most of the Big Sky B-Ball teams. (given their current ratings)

"Loose lips sink ships."

To lose a game hurts your W-L record.

And maybe the NCAA totally ignores RPI and uses another stat. But I have yet to see any reference that even hints that a crappy conference might lose its auto-bid ... some time in the distant future. In fact, the sentiment is largely the other way. (About to start a new thread.)

 

[EverettGriz]

The bsc is in no danger of losing its autobid. Any conference with 8 eligible members is granted an autobid. Since the bsc has 108 members, it’s fine from that standpoint.

But let’s not kid ourselves: bsc basketball — excepting Montana, Weber and (occasionally) ewooo, is a joke. A real conference would be doing all they could to fix that. The bsc? Nah. They just move the conference tourney to some far flung location with the highest bid, where quite literally NO ONE cares. It’s all about the money grab in the bsc.