The game had 19 lead changes and was tied 12 times.
Damn, no wonder I was stressed out....
Okay, BEAT nau. BEAT sac!!!!!!!
Damn, no wonder I was stressed out....
Okay, BEAT nau. BEAT sac!!!!!!!
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Griz vs SDSU
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DoubleNicks
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Man, I wish Cherry had decided to come back next year instead when the Griz might have a chance to do some damage...
DoubleNicks said:
Don't throw in the towel just yet on this season.
This game was a good barameter of where the Griz are. SDSU is a really, really good basketball team. The Griz, when Will gets into playing shape, will be about as good a team as we've had here in awhile. They're still the favorites in the BSC (and beyond weebs and maybe sac, there isn't anyone close).
We'll be fine.
Wolters was 5-21 from the field, but still had 15. SDSU's starting five had a solid outing.
Jamar seemed to have some critical turnovers late.
But overall, without any contribution from Will to speak of, to come as close as we did was encouraging.
Jamar seemed to have some critical turnovers late.
But overall, without any contribution from Will to speak of, to come as close as we did was encouraging.
.....until our inside game firms up we are in for some big struggles
SDSU schooled us on baseline, offensive rebounding all night and when it came time for penetration and buckets we got stuffed.
our outside game was also a bit weak when we needed it...
BUT- SDSU is a quality team that would also be the cream of the Big Sky and will likely be a NCAA contender in March...
can we up our inside game in time to compete in a grueling conf season???
SDSU schooled us on baseline, offensive rebounding all night and when it came time for penetration and buckets we got stuffed.
our outside game was also a bit weak when we needed it...
BUT- SDSU is a quality team that would also be the cream of the Big Sky and will likely be a NCAA contender in March...
can we up our inside game in time to compete in a grueling conf season???
moose/squirrel
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first11 said:
Agree about everything you post, except for the fact that we can't D rebound out of the zone D.
On the plus side Gregory and DeShields played well both on D (Gregory was exceptional on Wolters).
Kareem (love his overall game) should be on the wing in the offense, he turned it over probably 7 times.Gregory and Keron broke down the Jacks D off the dribble far more than he did.
When they run that perimeter weave if Kareem was slashing to the hoop rather than handling the rock he'd get more in close looks. Plus he's a good rebounder and we are lacking there to be sure. A work in progress to be sure, I reckon the staff will adjust.
This game should have been a W but I think they have the potential to be a good team. We do need some Decent Bigs going forward. Love Wards game but he is a liability on D in the post. Was a fun game to attend in any case and the Griz competed well, a couple missed fts short.
DoubleNicks said:
Cherry could still redshirt. He and Tinks could re-evaluate after this upcoming road trip. With only 3 games played, he should still meet the qualification.
I think we will be better off next year if Will does finish up this year. Don't get me wrong, I think Cherry is the most exciting and valuable player we have had in a long time. I love watching him play. But next year we will have more guards than we will know what to do with, and we need to free up his scholarship to find a quality big man, especially with the loss of Ward.
mtgrizrule
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There is no need for Will Cherry to redshirt. He is moving and jumping just fine. He just is not in game shape yet. We also do not have the scholarships available for this to happen. In case you have not noticed, we are loaded at guard, and in dire need of a paint scorer and defender.
I have faith Martin will be that man, but has to put on so much muscle, which could be a year away.
I have faith Martin will be that man, but has to put on so much muscle, which could be a year away.
This might be the year the Big Sky will be in the play off game. Very bad league from top to bottom and I am surprised. Even with Cherry, I am afraid that UM would be exactly as they are now....until a talented big guy or two are recruited, this is a regional team, nothing more.
Grizbeer
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Biggest crowd of the year so far, and no students in town. Will probably be the 3rd highest attended game all year - MSU if they do the tailgate (which is pretty damn fun by itself usually), then I expect NAU in March to be bigger.tourist said:
Really 3400 isn't too bad for a team which has only beaten 2 D-1 wins all season against 4 losses, no students in town, holiday season, depressed Missoula economy, less than marque (although good mid-major) opponent, generally poor attitude in the region towards the University right now - to expect better attendance is naive to what is happening with this team, university and town.
It appears if the Griz want to draw more than this they need to advertise it as a protest against trapping or coal.
Grizbeer
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I think the problem right now is more of youth and philosophy, not talent. Griz are playing a lot of young kids, and the kids that are playing want to play like a sports car - fast and reckless. they want (and have asked Tinkle) to let them run a 3/4 trap from the opening tip, and move up and down the court, shooting without a conscience. However Tinkle wants workman that show up with lunch pails and hard hats. He want's 1/2 court sets and a pound inside and kick outside game. These boys he recruited were not really cut out for that , so they need to grow into it or move on. I really hope they adapt and buy in, cause the Griz men's BB team, with a 33% graduation rate, can't afford to keep recruiting the wrong kids for a system they don't buy into.GrizLA said:
This season reminds me a lot of 2002. Hopefully when Cherry returns full time he can provide the leadership to get the rest of the team to buy-in, and it doesn't take a rebellion to win a Championship that talent alone says they should win.
GrizLA said:
I doubt they get a play-in, unless one of the top 2 or 3 seeds wins the tournament.
But I agree that as things stand, unless someone goes like 17-1 in conference play, the BSC winner is likely staring a 15 in the face.
Sugar Bear 16
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Grizbeer said:
I was at the game last night and Wolters was impressive with his passing abilities and the ability to keep his composure and find other ways to be productive other than scoring. Reminds me of Stockton when he played at GU. Stockton was little quicker and finished better, but the "gift of passing and floor vision" is there for this kid.
As for the Griz I thought they were 10-12 points better even with out Cherry, if they were allowed to play fast and use their quickness and athleticism. When they got out and ran off D-boards the really exposed weaknesses in SDSU and showed that this style of play is more suited for the personnel they have. We just don't have the quality inside back-to-the-basket post presence that we've had in the past. Ward is more of SF or a shooting PF that is better facing up defenders than posting them up. I think playing fast is better for his strengths and the guards that the Griz have. It's clear that this group's productivity goes down playing a slow down 1/2 court style. Same with the defense. I understand Tinks might not be a strong defensive coach and is comfortable with staying with the "Evans Zone" , but the Zone on makes and Man on misses strategy has it's holes in it and vs. good ball movement and decent shooting teams like SDSU it gives up too many open looks. SDSU got a lot of open looks and fortunately for the Griz they were cold in the 1st half and for parts of the 2nd or this game probably wouldn't have made it to one OT.
Again, if you're going to stay with the zone then mix it up and throw some traps in and extend it like what was suggested above and use your quickness and athletes to create some turnovers that lead to easy buckets.
Maybe there was some mis-communication with Tinks and his asst. on what personnel he wants or prefers through recruiting. I'm not sure, but this group needs to play fast if they are going to be successful in my opinion.
Sugar Bear 16 said:
chocolate kisses to ya, sugar bear. sweet analysis. we've got athletes, not furniture movers. race horses, not oxen. take the yokes off! keep those bodies flyin' and the ball movin'. press n' run, run 'n gun. oregon football indoors! you walk, you sit. no more walk-the-ball-up-the-court-and-pass-the-ball-around-the-permiter-and-around-the-perimiter-and-around-the-perimiter--and-oh--the--shot--clock--is--winding--down--better--hoist--up--a--shot. stop it! ball goes up in ten seconds, or less. then press, press, press.
you want to put butts in seats at dahlberg, we can. you want to win, we can. but we cannot win with these players playing conventional basketball, because we have no (none! nada!) post players, and will not this season. this is a season you make lemons out of lemonade. this is the season for montana basketball like nobody's seen it in its history. this could be a unique season, but with cherry now back, it's gotta get started now.
full report friday.
I agree that a Big Sky Conference team doesn't need a traditional post player to be successful, but you do need 3-4 quality 6'-6" or 6'-7" players who can defend and crash the boards.
At 195 and 205 pounds respectively (according to the very generous roster), Weisner and Wiley are still a ways off, so that leaves it to Ward, Hutch, Martin and Coleman. So, in my estimation, we're two strong 6'7" guys away from a damn good team.
At 195 and 205 pounds respectively (according to the very generous roster), Weisner and Wiley are still a ways off, so that leaves it to Ward, Hutch, Martin and Coleman. So, in my estimation, we're two strong 6'7" guys away from a damn good team.
Zirg
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Everybody is trying to tell us that SDSU is such a great team. Umm, maybe they are, but how does anyone know? Montana is now their most impressive win (and might be all year), which wasn't very impressive since we basically didn't have Cherry at all. They've also beat Dakota State (no not NDSU, just plain "Dakota State"), Black Hills State, Southwest Minnesota, U of District of Columbia, Marshall by 1, Omaha, Tennessee State by 7, Cal-Bakersfield by 6 and North Dakota by 1. Loses to Alabama, Minnesota and mighty Hofstra. Now they have league games, and Bakersfield again, so they won't play anyone rated the rest of the year. Even if they end up 25-5 or something, who have they beat? Nobody. I can't get excited about a team that beats Montana and North Dakota by 1 point each. They're an average-to-good Big Sky team, nothing more. Wolters is over-rated. He's 10-35 shooting vs Big Sky teams this year. He was 5-14 vs. Bakersfield too. He's just a chucker, who flops and dives to get free-throws when he can't make any shots, which seems to be often. He's from my dad's hometown, so I was excited about him after hearing the hype. I am not that impressed. He's got some game obviously, but he is no way near an NBA prospect, no frickin' way. He has his hot nights, but he is just as often cold as he is hot. His shooting % is worse than his team's avg. Dykstra has actually lead the Jacks in scoring 5 of their last 6 games, although Wolters missed 2 of those games. Just the facts.
BelierPeaux
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SDSU returns all their starters from a team that had a good showing in their NCAA tourney game last year. They are a decent team.