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Griz vs. cats
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Richard Cranium
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poorgriz said:
The BSC championship thing is a joke. 2 of the times you won it you plays EWU out of conerence and they beat you both times! And for many years with foolerton as commissioner most of your conference games were teams who played the Griz the week before!
VimSince03
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Richard Cranium said:
Actually, in 2010 we beat Eastern 30-7 at home and it was a conference game. In 2011, we beat EWU on the road 36-21 and it was a conference game. In 2012, they beat us by 3 at home and it was a conference game. Shared a Big Sky title each of those years.
As for your last sentence... :roll:
Keep posting facts, not BS. :thumb:
VimSince03
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Richard Cranium said:
This one gives me heartburn.
Richard Cranium
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VimSince03 said:
Without every team in the conference playing all the teams in the conference, there is not true conference champion.
VimSince03
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Richard Cranium said:
I agree. The last year there was 9 teams and everyone played each other was in 2011. The conference added four more teams (Cal Poly, Southern Utah, UC Davis, and UND) in 2012.
I'll even go as far to say there isn't a true conference champion unless there is a conference championship game at the end of the season.
The BSC championship is the one angle certain posters use to make this incredibly lop-sided and embarrassing "rivalry" look somehow closer than it is. It’s poorgriz’s fall back every time.
They have reached such a low, that they actually have to defer to other teams beating the Griz as a rebuttal. How fucking pathetic is that? And notice the ever present asterisk on the 2011 season. WEAK.
Coward, pathetic ,weak ass shit.
They have reached such a low, that they actually have to defer to other teams beating the Griz as a rebuttal. How fucking pathetic is that? And notice the ever present asterisk on the 2011 season. WEAK.
Coward, pathetic ,weak ass shit.
Raider said:
And to counter that, it's pretty pathetic to constantly hear griz nation rubbing it in and throwing the overall head to head numbers in our faces, even though a good chunk of those griz wins came when you were in a higher division. But by all means - go ahead and continue doing that if it makes you feel good.
poorgriz said:
We're still in a higher division.
VimSince03
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Raider said:
On November 19, 2011, the Bobcats lost to the Grizzlies 36-10 at home and lost their shot at sole possession of the Big Sky title. We were also the #1 seed going into this game. In my mind, this was the beginning of the end of the Rob Ash era at MSU. Yes we did share the title again in 2012 and lost to Sam Houston again, this time at home in the quarterfinals. But after that 2011 Cat-Griz game, Rob Ash-led teams rarely won a "big" game. As you guys like to say, the November record was very porous after the 2012 season.
poorgriz said:
"The Streak" happened in the same division...
VimSince03
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Let's just end this convo with this history lesson from Wikipedia:
The rivalry began on November 26, 1897 when the two teams played in Bozeman, Montana, home of Montana State, with Montana prevailing by the score of 18–6. At the time, Montana State was known as Montana State College, while Montana was known as Montana State University. The rivalry is the 31st oldest among active rivalries in NCAA Division I and of those is the 11th oldest west of the Mississippi River. It is also the 4th oldest active rivalry in the FCS and the oldest west of the Mississippi River.
The series has three distinct periods. From 1897 to 1916 Montana State did not belong to a conference, while Montana was in the Northwest Intercollegiate Athletic Association. In addition to Montana, the Northwest Conference included Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Idaho, and Whitman College. At times they would play twice per year. Early seasons had seven games or less with one season seeing the Grizzlies play just one game. Four of the five ties in the series came during this era. Montana won 12 games to Montana State's 7.
In 1917 Montana State joined the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference and in 1924 Montana joined what is now the Pac-12 Conference when it entered the Pacific Coast Conference. The RMAC included several teams that would become Mountain West members. When MSU joined the RMAC included Colorado, Colorado State, Utah, Utah State, and Brigham Young. When UM joined the PCC included Stanford, California, UCLA, USC, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, and Idaho. The Bobcats remained in the RMAC, which dropped down to the NAIA in 1938, through 1956, while the Grizzlies remained in the PCC through 1949 and joined the Skyline (aka Mountain States) Conference,which included Colorado, Utah State, Denver, Utah, Colorado State, Brigham Young, New Mexico and Wyoming, from 1951–1961. MSU was independent from 1957–1962 and UM was independent in 1950 and 1962. During this period UM enjoyed a 30–8–1 edge in Cat-Griz games, while MSU won the NAIA national title in 1956.
Both schools entered the Big Sky Conference as charter members in 1963 with Montana holding a 43–15–2 series lead. Prior to that UM was in conferences with what are now FBS and BCS schools, while MSU was either not in a conference or in a NAIA conference, for all but 30 of the 59 games played. UM holds a 22–5–3 record in those games.
From the time Big Sky Conference play began in 1963 and up to 1985 Montana State enjoyed its most successful period of the Cat-Griz rivalry with a 17–6 win-loss record. The Bobcats won two national titles during this period. 1986 saw the beginning of a period often known in Montana as "The Streak", in which Montana won sixteen straight games in the series. A few of these games were close, but most of them gave a strong indication that the two football programs were going in very different directions. Montana won two NCAA Division I-AA championships during "The Streak", while Montana State had one season where it failed to win a single game. Montana State finally snapped "The Streak" in 2002, winning at Montana, and the post-Streak record stands at 7–5 in favor of Montana. The Big Sky era shows Montana with a 30–22 lead. Since both teams joined the NCAA in 1957, UM holds a 32–26 lead.
While UM holds a sizeable lead in the all-time series, Montana State has won more conference championships (20) and more national championships (3). UM has won 18 league titles and two national titles.
The rivalry began on November 26, 1897 when the two teams played in Bozeman, Montana, home of Montana State, with Montana prevailing by the score of 18–6. At the time, Montana State was known as Montana State College, while Montana was known as Montana State University. The rivalry is the 31st oldest among active rivalries in NCAA Division I and of those is the 11th oldest west of the Mississippi River. It is also the 4th oldest active rivalry in the FCS and the oldest west of the Mississippi River.
The series has three distinct periods. From 1897 to 1916 Montana State did not belong to a conference, while Montana was in the Northwest Intercollegiate Athletic Association. In addition to Montana, the Northwest Conference included Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Idaho, and Whitman College. At times they would play twice per year. Early seasons had seven games or less with one season seeing the Grizzlies play just one game. Four of the five ties in the series came during this era. Montana won 12 games to Montana State's 7.
In 1917 Montana State joined the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference and in 1924 Montana joined what is now the Pac-12 Conference when it entered the Pacific Coast Conference. The RMAC included several teams that would become Mountain West members. When MSU joined the RMAC included Colorado, Colorado State, Utah, Utah State, and Brigham Young. When UM joined the PCC included Stanford, California, UCLA, USC, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, and Idaho. The Bobcats remained in the RMAC, which dropped down to the NAIA in 1938, through 1956, while the Grizzlies remained in the PCC through 1949 and joined the Skyline (aka Mountain States) Conference,which included Colorado, Utah State, Denver, Utah, Colorado State, Brigham Young, New Mexico and Wyoming, from 1951–1961. MSU was independent from 1957–1962 and UM was independent in 1950 and 1962. During this period UM enjoyed a 30–8–1 edge in Cat-Griz games, while MSU won the NAIA national title in 1956.
Both schools entered the Big Sky Conference as charter members in 1963 with Montana holding a 43–15–2 series lead. Prior to that UM was in conferences with what are now FBS and BCS schools, while MSU was either not in a conference or in a NAIA conference, for all but 30 of the 59 games played. UM holds a 22–5–3 record in those games.
From the time Big Sky Conference play began in 1963 and up to 1985 Montana State enjoyed its most successful period of the Cat-Griz rivalry with a 17–6 win-loss record. The Bobcats won two national titles during this period. 1986 saw the beginning of a period often known in Montana as "The Streak", in which Montana won sixteen straight games in the series. A few of these games were close, but most of them gave a strong indication that the two football programs were going in very different directions. Montana won two NCAA Division I-AA championships during "The Streak", while Montana State had one season where it failed to win a single game. Montana State finally snapped "The Streak" in 2002, winning at Montana, and the post-Streak record stands at 7–5 in favor of Montana. The Big Sky era shows Montana with a 30–22 lead. Since both teams joined the NCAA in 1957, UM holds a 32–26 lead.
While UM holds a sizeable lead in the all-time series, Montana State has won more conference championships (20) and more national championships (3). UM has won 18 league titles and two national titles.
Cat fans can't complain that the Griz have more wins because the two played in different divisions and then come out and say that MSU has won more national championships than UM when MSU won 2 of those at a lower level (NAIA in 1956 which ended in a 0-0 tie and Division II in 1976). You can't have it both ways.
VimSince03
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get'em_griz said:
MSU won the 1956 title in a lower division that the Griz. It actually is even in terms of championships. The Griz and Cats were in the same division when the Cats won in 1976 and 1984. Likewise with the Griz in 1995 and 2001.
ALPHAGRIZ1
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Nobody won a title in 1956 it was a tie
Those defenses DIDNT win championships.............................
Those defenses DIDNT win championships.............................
Grisly Fan
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So you're saying that "tradition" doesn't matter? There are probably hundreds of millions and maybe even billions of sports fans worldwide that would disagree with you.ordigger said:
ALPHAGRIZ1
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