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GRIZ/UCLA thoughts....Baller hope you are happy

mtgrizrule

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I was stoked for this game, and even more stoked after the result. I figured, this well could be our biggest win we have all year, and worth a new thread, as baller suggested a few games back. So here it is.

Going into the game, I thought if we could execute offensively, our defense could keep us in another game, with a chance to keep it respectful. I expected us to matchup well in the paint with them. At best, I was expecting a 5 to 10 points UCLA victory. The result was that range, but with the GRIZ winning. I honestly feel with better shooting we could have won by 20, as is the 9 point victory was not indicative of how thoroughly the GRIZ dominated. It was an outright dominating and impressive game by the GRIZ.

Speaking of impressive, last year and this year, I am more and more impressed by the GRIZ defense every game they play. After seeing the Idaho game in person, and the replay of UCLA in HD on 52 inch screen, this team and Tinkle has me officially sold on our defense going from good to excellent. Defense has officially arrived as a staple and definition of GRIZ BASKETBALL. One of my favorite basketball books of all time is "The Carolina Way", and the GRIZ have taken that as a blueprint to success. Simple rules are play hard, play smart, and play together all for the good of the team. Every game the GRIZ do all that the majority of time, and like any team will have a few lapses. It is amazing a few years ago, the team would fold when the offense was not up to par. No longer is that the case. Tinkle has his teams committed to defensive excellence, and any offense is just icing on the cake.

How good is this defense now? The break downs are very few and far between now. Every player knows where to be and what do. I can honestly say again, "we do not have a defensive liability". Teams very seldom get uncontested looks, and it takes an unbelievably hot shooting team (see Portland's 1st half) to beat us. This team does not beat itself. Better yet, the new faces can only get better with playing time and experience. I honestly did not expect them to be this cohesive defensively until January, if lucky. Kudos to the players and coaches for great attitude, commitment, and leadership.

As for personnel, I feel we still have a few holes in terms of depth and consistency we need to develop (guard depth and consistency). I do feel we have 4 players that could play for most programs in the nation. Cherry, Qvale, Selvig, and Jamar are all very talented. Qvale is still getting better, and will have pro career somewhere with an outside shot at the NBA. Selvig has intangibles and smarts well beyond most guys his size. Jamar mature beyond his age and experience. Qvale and Selvig are long and make our defense what it is. Qvale and Selvig are tough matchups and big problems for most any program. Selvig is not even close to being as good as he can be yet. As for Cherry, game in and game out, he is proving he is the best guard on the floor most games. I have posted a few times has NBA potential. I have not backed down from that, and am convinced if he continues to lead and improve, Cherry will be in the NBA. His defense is already NBA caliber.

Depth wise, I am on Reader's bandwagon as having the potential to be an all conference big when he is a JR and/or SR. I really do not know what to think of Hutchison yet. We really do need to get consistent guard play beyond Cherry. Wood did show me he is capable, but can he do it consistently? I still want to see us build Autry though when the opportunity presents itself. When the game comes down to FT shooting can we get the ball in Stockton's hands for teams to foul?

Offensively, I still have my doubts. It is refreshing to know we are capable of executing like we did against UCLA. If and when we find our perimeter game consistently, this team is very dangerous, and as shown against UCLA capable of playing anyone in the nation. Honestly though, it is hard for me to imagine teams consistently shooting below 35% against any decent or better defense. Then again, not many teams have 2 defensive performances (Idaho and UCLA) any year the GRIZ have had to date this year. Is that bad offense or bad offense as a result of excellent defense? You be the judge.

Speaking of UCLA, as a major college basketball fan with some coaching experience, I am very unimpressed with UCLA coming out flat, very little desire or pride to pick it up, no signs of leadership from players, bad decision making, bad execution offensively and defensively, and very little cohesiveness. If I were an UCLA fan or coach, I would be raving mad and very disappointed. I will not be surprised to see UCLA continue to struggle. They have a LONG way to go in many aspects, but the talent is definitely there.

As for the GRIZ, we had the better players at C, PF, and PG. As a team we were the better team. I think the GRIZ are better than most fans, media, and programs will give us credit for. As a coach, Tinkle has to want the UCLA performance to become the norm, no matter the opponent. I believe his players will buy into that and believe it too. If there is any player that does not believe it, I expect Cherry, Qvale, and Selvig to correct any believes ASAP. These guys are great leaders, but all in a different way. They all learned from Anthony Johnson. Tinkle's plan to have AJ teach these guys, especially Cherry is playing out better than ever expected.

Finally, despite this big "W", I am trying to keep my expectations of a normal young and inexperienced team. It is hard to curb the enthusiasm though when a team plays this nasty of defense. I hope they continue playing this way all year, every second, every game. I so want them to continue me praising them every game, and in time admit this years GRIZ is not a normal young and inexperienced team. It is truly amazing how far ahead they are in terms of defense, attitude, unity, and execution. Keep it up boys, and this could be a truly amazing season again.

As for our fans, "what is wrong with everyone in Missoula?" This team has all the ingredients well worth getting your asses to home games. This is the team that will always give all out on the court, and take care of business. They will not flatter you with great offense yet, but everything else is there. I really do not see how anyone can ask or expect more form these kids and coaches. This is the team that can potentially bring back "THE ZOO" atmosphere. They are and will do their part. I challenge every GRIZ fan to now do their part. NO EXCUSES!!!!! :thumb: :thumb:
 
My Butt is always there - even the two 1:00pm games (have to take vacation time from work though)! If this team can't bring back The Zoo atmosphere then it will never come back! Love the attitude Griz. Keep it up! Go Griz!
 
100%GRIZ said:
My Butt is always there - even the two 1:00pm games (have to take vacation time from work though)! If this team can't bring back The Zoo atmosphere then it will never come back! Love the attitude Griz. Keep it up! Go Griz!

Here is to hoping more GRIZ fans follow suit. W and L's aside, this team gives it's all, and has some good and fun talent to boot. :thumb:
 
As for our fans, "what is wrong with everyone in Missoula?" This team has all the ingredients well worth getting your asses to home games. This is the team that will always give all out on the court, and take care of business. They will not flatter you with great offense yet, but everything else is there. I really do not see how anyone can ask or expect more form these kids and coaches. This is the team that can potentially bring back "THE ZOO" atmosphere. They are and will do their part. I challenge every GRIZ fan to now do their part. NO EXCUSES!!!!!

:clap:

I have to say if I lived anywhere near Missoula, I'd wait in line for five hours (like the good ol' days!) to watch this team play. As it stands, I still plan to get to Missoula for either 4 or 6 games this year.
 
haha VERY happy!! excellent job mtgrizrule!! really good read....i'll add my two cents a little later....but as usual I agree with most of what you have to say about this team!!
 
EverettGriz said:
As for our fans, "what is wrong with everyone in Missoula?" This team has all the ingredients well worth getting your asses to home games. This is the team that will always give all out on the court, and take care of business. They will not flatter you with great offense yet, but everything else is there. I really do not see how anyone can ask or expect more form these kids and coaches. This is the team that can potentially bring back "THE ZOO" atmosphere. They are and will do their part. I challenge every GRIZ fan to now do their part. NO EXCUSES!!!!!

:clap:

I have to say if I lived anywhere near Missoula, I'd wait in line for five hours (like the good ol' days!) to watch this team play. As it stands, I still plan to get to Missoula for either 4 or 6 games this year.

+1. I am planning on hitting the Oregon State game. I really hope we get close to 5k for that game, maybe more after this win?
 
Here is a recent missoulian article. I love what Qvale and Tinkle say.

http://missoulian.com/divisions/article_a35d5ad0-01d2-11e0-9c89-001cc4c002e0.html
 
mtgrizrule said:
As for our fans, "what is wrong with everyone in Missoula?" This team has all the ingredients well worth getting your asses to home games. This is the team that will always give all out on the court, and take care of business. They will not flatter you with great offense yet, but everything else is there. I really do not see how anyone can ask or expect more form these kids and coaches. This is the team that can potentially bring back "THE ZOO" atmosphere. They are and will do their part. I challenge every GRIZ fan to now do their part. NO EXCUSES!!!!! :thumb: :thumb:
Here are my thoughts on "what is wrong with everyone in Missoula?":
1) Schedule - the home schedule so far has consisted of Lewis and Clark State, Montana Tech, Idaho, Cal Fullerton, and Portland. The NAIA games have very little appeal unless you have a kid playing on one of those NAIA teams. I am sure Montana leads the Frontier in attendance, so to call out fans for being the best attended NAIA program in the country is silly, especially given the prices they charge for those games. Cal Fullerton is a D-I team, but really who cares? They sounds like a community college, and get as much interest as one. They may be a fine team in a fine conference, but in the fans mind they are a who cares. I know they and their conference are a peer to Montana and the Big Sky Conference (probably better than most Big Sky), but Missoula college basketball fans for the most consider them a junior college.

Idaho should have drawn better, but the game was on a Monday night, before Thanksgiving break, on a night when the first big snow storm of the winter hit. Missoula was under a blizzard warning and roads were treacherous - remember Missoula schools closed the next day for the first time in my memory. So I think you have to give the fans a pass on that one.

Portland - a decent team in a decent conference, should have drawn better, but still drew almost 3600.

Looking forward we are treated to Great Falls, the Oregon State. Again few casual fans will not pay $7 - $15 to see an NAIA scrimmage game (and if they come out flat again, which is likely, the fans that are there will get restless given the higher standard the Griz just set beating UCLA). Oregon State should draw well, even though they are terrible, I will be disappointed if there are not 5,000+ for that game. After that we get 2 good BSC teams during for afternoon weekday games in a holiday week when the students are gone. I expect less than 2,000 per game for these.

2) Performance - if the schedule sucks at least you can hope the teams performance will help.This team has shown potential, but struggles at times against NAIA teams, had leads then lost them against a bad Nevada team and a decent Utah team. Then lost at home to Portland, a team that was blown out a few days later by Washington.

By beating UCLA this team moved to 3-3 on the season (NAIA games do not count), and had not had a quality win, had 1 bad loss (Nevada), and generally looked inconsistent and on any given night capable of beating anyone, but also capable of getting blown out. So even after catching a suspect UCLA team on a good night, maybe it is too early to jump to the conclusion this is a team, that if it wins the BSC, still won't be a play-in team in the expanded tournament.
 
In response to "what's wrong with the people in Missoula"...I agree w/GB, the schedule is some of it. Quite a few of our early games the last few years have been against Tech, Great Falls, L&C, etc...nobody really cares to see those, even the students that can get there. I'm guessing Oregon State will draw more. Also, contrary to popular belief, not everyone in Missoula always has $7 to spend. Yeah, I know that is dumb, but I work full-time, my wife works part time and goes to school, we rent a 2 bedroom apt, and we rarely have the extra cash to make it to any BB or football games. Yes, I know it's frustrating for people that don't live in Missoula that more people don't come, but I do think one thing that gets over looked is the money factor.
 
I really hope that come Big Sky Tourney time we are looking back on this game and saying that was the catalyst to a great run through conference, possibly only losing 2 or so games the rest of the way to the tournament.
 
PeauxRouge said:
I really hope that come Big Sky Tourney time we are looking back on this game and saying that was the catalyst to a great run through conference, possibly only losing 2 or so games the rest of the way to the tournament.

Hell, I don't know, pard. That Bruin squad from the Golden Coast doesn't look all that threatening in its current campaign. I was in town a couple of weeks back for a trade show, and I caught one of their games against the Pacific Tigers. They pulled off the victory, sure, but I was ill-impressed with their prowess, to be kind. They looked like they didn't like one another, and their skills were lacking at best. It was a waste of 60 United States Dollars, but the trade show was spectacular.
 
Ashley Schaeffer said:
PeauxRouge said:
I really hope that come Big Sky Tourney time we are looking back on this game and saying that was the catalyst to a great run through conference, possibly only losing 2 or so games the rest of the way to the tournament.

Hell, I don't know, pard. That Bruin squad from the Golden Coast doesn't look all that threatening in its current campaign. I was in town a couple of weeks back for a trade show, and I caught one of their games against the Pacific Tigers. They pulled off the victory, sure, but I was ill-impressed with their prowess, to be kind. They looked like they didn't like one another, and their skills were lacking at best. It was a waste of 60 United States Dollars, but the trade show was spectacular.

I am sure you will figure a way to use the game expense for a tax write off anyhow. :thumb:
 
mtgrizrule said:
Ashley Schaeffer said:
PeauxRouge said:
I really hope that come Big Sky Tourney time we are looking back on this game and saying that was the catalyst to a great run through conference, possibly only losing 2 or so games the rest of the way to the tournament.

Hell, I don't know, pard. That Bruin squad from the Golden Coast doesn't look all that threatening in its current campaign. I was in town a couple of weeks back for a trade show, and I caught one of their games against the Pacific Tigers. They pulled off the victory, sure, but I was ill-impressed with their prowess, to be kind. They looked like they didn't like one another, and their skills were lacking at best. It was a waste of 60 United States Dollars, but the trade show was spectacular.

I am sure you will figure a way to use the game expense for a tax write off anyhow. :thumb:

I like the way you think, pard. Suffice to say it's in the works.
 

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