Griz to Finish 3rd in Big Sky

[ilovethecats]

There's so much hate in this thread... I love it. :lol:

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and delusion.

 

[GrizMusician]

There's so much hate in this thread... I love it. :lol:

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and delusion.

I think there is a lot of delusion from both fanbases. Some posters are definitely worse than others.

IMO... DM is one helluva football player & I hope he does well this year (except against the Griz, :wink, & stays healthy.

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[get'em_griz]

Honestly, any Griz fan on here calling DM a bad QB or anything else needs to pull their heads out. He's a very good QB. Would I take him over JJ? No because I'm biased. JJ may or may not be better, and we'll find out in the next two seasons. But you can't deny that DM is one heck of an athlete!

 

[poorgriz]

Cramsey is on record as saying we will be running DM much more this year...a big reason for the change in philosophy is that Cramsey and Ash have full confidence in our #'s 2 and 3 QBs...Everything is different for 2013. I mean everything. Everything is different this year and Cramsey knows it. We will see the full potential of DM for the first time, and only time will tell if it's a good decision or not...

One guess for the consideration of having McGhee run some what more than he has in the past might just be because the MSU Bobcats have a very shallow running game for the upcoming 2013 season; personnel and experience wise, that is. Cody Kirk is a senior coming off an injury that kept him out for a month last year...has he fully recovered? The only other running back with any experience whatsoever is a junior Shawn Johnson, generously listed biometrically at 5'9" and 172 lbs. Not exactly the heft of a running back a coaching staff would wish to carry the ball through the line with, I would think. More of an open field runner, if not mistaken. Other than that...what?

Six freshmen are listed on their 2013 Roster and, granted, potential is indicated, but, they are freshmen: Chad Newell (6'1" 214 lbs), Nick LaSane (5'11" 200 lbs), Cody Dopps (6'1" 204 lbs - So.?), Gunnar Brekke (5'11" 188 lbs), Morris Gates-Mouton (5'9" 167 lbs) and Cody Vitt (6'0" 195 lbs). The 2013 MSU Bobcats would be wise, I would think, to forego Kirk carrying the ball thirty times a game, game after game, just to keep him healthy and fresh for the long haul into a possible FCS Playoff run. If Kirk goes down again it doesn't look good...not good at all. Not with what's left on the roster in freshmen running backs that appear capable, but may make freshmen mistakes if having to be put into the firing line on a consistent basis. Hence, DeNarius McGhee = learn how to run. Fast!!! More so than you have up to now kind of idea.

Wow.

That's just goofy talk right there. Our running game did not suck last year, but it wasn't excellent. I think our O line did respectable considering we were starting 4 Freshmen and a Sophomore at one point. We still went 11 and 2. I can absolutely promise you our O line will be significantly improved as will our ground production. Apparently you didn't see Newell, Dopps, etc get their reps in during the Spring scrimmages. There is some talent there, but with Kirk and Johnson, it will be tough for them to see the field. Kirk will continue to do what he always has, and you are going to be sorely disappointed if you think Johnson is average. OD is gone and Johnson is primed to tear it up... just watch. To be completely honest with you, I think Brekke would challenge your starters for playing time in 2013, but I'm not sure if he'll see the field this Fall with us because of the competition ahead of him. The one thing I'll say about UM is that you have a massive, talented O Line to run behind. That's a huge boost for the RB position. Our O line will be much better in 2013, and then pretty much dominant in 2014 and 2015, similar to yours this year, provided they stay relatively healthy.

 

[NLGrizFan]

No matter how you look at, Dingleberry sucks in the playoffs. He has been proving that to all of us one season at a time.

 

[George Ferguson]

Rivalry or not, one thing DM isn't is a jerk, as stated above. He is highly intelligent, very personable and is a genuinely really nice person. I sincerely doubt he's "not well liked on campus", but how would someone know the opinion of MSU's entire campus anyway? So that's pretty stupid to say in the first place. It's pretty funny how fan perception and reality are so different sometimes. For instance, SOME MSU fans claim Jordan Tripp is a really bad person who flipped off their crowd, plays dirty and is overrated, ect..But, when two people MSU fans revere the most, Coach Ash and DM were asked about Tripp last week, they gushed about him, just as Jordy did about DM. Jordy is also very close friends with Cody Kirk.

In any event, I for one will be very excited for MSU's graduation day in the spring of 2014, because whether he's played well or not in Griz/Cat games, DM is a HUGE reason why UM has lost twice to his teams.

 

[Hammer]

Rivalry or not, one thing DM isn't is a jerk, as stated above. He is highly intelligent, very personable and is a genuinely really nice person. I sincerely doubt he's "not well liked on campus", but how would someone know the opinion of MSU's entire campus anyway? So that's pretty stupid to say in the first place. It's pretty funny how fan perception and reality are so different sometimes. For instance, SOME MSU fans claim Jordan Tripp is a really bad person who flipped off their crowd, plays dirty and is overrated, ect..But, when two people MSU fans revere the most, Coach Ash and DM were asked about Tripp last week, they gushed about him, just as Jordy did about DM. Jordy is also very close friends with Cody Kirk.

In any event, I for one will be very excited for MSU's graduation day in the spring of 2014, because whether he's played well or not in Griz/Cat games, DM is a HUGE reason why UM has lost twice to his teams.

I think Kemp and Roper had more to do with The Griz losing to the cats in 2010 than anything the cats did. And yes thats right Chase Reynolds gets a free pass because he earned it!

 

[Lovethecats75]

No junk here.

 

[NLGrizFan]

No junk here.

He's whispering to the little boy, "Watch this, I'm gonna go look like a fool now. It's playoff time!"

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

That's just goofy talk right there. Our running game did not suck last year, but it wasn't excellent. I think our O line did respectable considering we were starting 4 Freshmen and a Sophomore at one point. We still went 11 and 2. I can absolutely promise you our O line will be significantly improved as will our ground production. Apparently you didn't see Newell, Dopps, etc get their reps in during the Spring scrimmages. There is some talent there, but with Kirk and Johnson, it will be tough for them to see the field. Kirk will continue to do what he always has, and you are going to be sorely disappointed if you think Johnson is average...The one thing I'll say about UM is that you have a massive, talented O Line to run behind. That's a huge boost for the RB position. Our O line will be much better in 2013, and then pretty much dominant in 2014 and 2015, similar to yours this year, provided they stay relatively healthy.

"That's just goofy talk right there." - Sorry, but your rebuttal doesn't convince. Granted, the MSU Bobcat running game did not actually fail last year in their performances on the field, but as was stated, you don't have Davis or Robinson any more. And no, I haven't seen the likes of Newell, Dopps, etc., in some spring scrimmage; but I did state "potential indicated," and "appear capable," but "they are freshmen" and "may make freshmen mistakes." I don't think that's exactly goofy in any book. By the way, just how many freshmen RBs have the Griz resorted to during any season over the past twenty-five years or so? Yet alone in the past fifty?

But if you wish to make a responsive statement in repudiation I miss your answering volley on whether or not Cody Kirk has fully recovered form his injury from last year (2012) wherein he missed a whole month on account thereof. And no, I did not state as well that a Shawn Johnson was but average. But do you really believe that any football fan of any NCAA football team (BCS or FCS) would be convinced that a 5'9" 172 lbs. running back featured as a starting RB would also be capable and durable to sustain a team's overall running game? Even between the tackles? Are you really trying to convince everyone else that a Shawn Johnson is fully capable of blocking 6'4" 265 lbs DEs on a consistent basis out of the backfield? This, if Kirk doesn't hold up during the entirety of the season, which may be in doubt at present. I haven't heard one item of encouragement contrary to what has already been stated above about his recovery. Please enlighten. Your "Kirk will continue to do what he always has" doesn't enliven much confidence, if you don't mind me saying so. Otherwise, why else is DeNarius McGhee being groomed to having to prepare for being a running QB more so than in the past? And granted, after watching McGhee against UC Davis last year I'd say he would most likely be fully capable in conducting a running game out of formation; if the play calls for such. And granted, offensive lines 'may' improve, that's yet to be seen, not guaranteed; some might even regress for some reason or another. This for the coming year not some 2014 and/or 2015 which is pretty well beyond the realm of credibility. Regardless of the demagoguery that Bobcat fans resort to in order to patronize their august presence even before the season begins; always resorting to a 'battle of words' in the stands or over an Internet Fan Forum as if that by itself determines victoy or defeat on the playing field. Though, as usual, falling flat on their faces when the FCS Playoffs come around; but easily overlooked and forgotten about once such slashings take place. How else can they put up with their measly existence? Oh, excuse me, there, that's just as you have always presented yourselves since I have ever became aware of the Griz-Cat rivalry as far back as the late 60s. Same-o, same-o. Things just never change, do they? Just another typical mouth-breathing, kuckle draggin' boobskat fan for ya.

 

[get'em_griz]

No junk here.

He's whispering to the little boy, "Watch this, I'm gonna go look like a fool now. It's playoff time!"

:roll: C'mon... Give it a rest and give the guy some credit. I think it's awesome he took time to take a photo with this kid and sign some autographs.

 

[grizcountry420]

No junk here.

He's whispering to the little boy, "Watch this, I'm gonna go look like a fool now. It's playoff time!"

:roll: C'mon... Give it a rest and give the guy some credit. I think it's awesome he took time to take a photo with this kid and sign some autographs.

+1

 

[Cats2506]

That's just goofy talk right there. Our running game did not suck last year, but it wasn't excellent. I think our O line did respectable considering we were starting 4 Freshmen and a Sophomore at one point. We still went 11 and 2. I can absolutely promise you our O line will be significantly improved as will our ground production. Apparently you didn't see Newell, Dopps, etc get their reps in during the Spring scrimmages. There is some talent there, but with Kirk and Johnson, it will be tough for them to see the field. Kirk will continue to do what he always has, and you are going to be sorely disappointed if you think Johnson is average...The one thing I'll say about UM is that you have a massive, talented O Line to run behind. That's a huge boost for the RB position. Our O line will be much better in 2013, and then pretty much dominant in 2014 and 2015, similar to yours this year, provided they stay relatively healthy.

"That's just goofy talk right there." - Sorry, but your rebuttal doesn't convince. Granted, the MSU Bobcat running game did not actually fail last year in their performances on the field, but as was stated, you don't have Davis or Robinson any more. And no, I haven't seen the likes of Newell, Dopps, etc., in some spring scrimmage; but I did state "potential indicated," and "appear capable," but "they are freshmen" and "may make freshmen mistakes." I don't think that's exactly goofy in any book. By the way, just how many freshmen RBs have the Griz resorted to during any season over the past twenty-five years or so? Yet alone in the past fifty?

didn't um burn a freshman RB redshirt last year?

Newel is a RS Fr, and a stud, lookout for our 3rd RB, don't forget we have T-Rod in the backfield too, Johnson is better than Davis ever was. and Trey was used more as a blocking back than anything due to Tia's injury last year.

The rest just sounds like a lot of wishful thinking by a desperate fizz fan

 

[-MiningCityGriz-]

No junk here.

I swear this is all the cat fans use for defense its starting to get a little pathetic...

 

[kemajic]

All you guys can do is talk... That's it. You want to ignore last year like it didn't happen, and pretend you're still the king of the hill.... But you're not. You've been dethroned, but most of you just won't admit it. So from the 5-6 debacle last year you've got the same coaching staff returning, and basically the same team, with the addition of one player, JJ, and we're supposed to be scared? I think JJ is a good QB, but we're not talking about Johnny Manziel here. DM and crew have taken you down two of the last three years, and come November, will be three. :thumb:

Compare the performances of JJ and McGhee in their only encounter. 36-10 beatdown at your house. Maybe he is Johnny Manziel. He will embarrass you again in November. You will be beaten soundly at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Men against boys; trail of tears again.

 

[Cats2506]

All you guys can do is talk... That's it. You want to ignore last year like it didn't happen, and pretend you're still the king of the hill.... But you're not. You've been dethroned, but most of you just won't admit it. So from the 5-6 debacle last year you've got the same coaching staff returning, and basically the same team, with the addition of one player, JJ, and we're supposed to be scared? I think JJ is a good QB, but we're not talking about Johnny Manziel here. DM and crew have taken you down two of the last three years, and come November, will be three. :thumb:

Compare the performances of JJ and McGhee in their only encounter. 36-10 beatdown at your house. Maybe he is Johnny Manziel. He will embarrass you again in November. You will be beaten soundly at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Men against boys; trail of tears again.

Why, even a dipshit like you knows that they don't directly play against each other, and that the one game they played against each other is a poor measure of their abilities, an better measure is looking at how each did against common opponents and even then there are many other factors involved in the team makeup and match-ups.

Do you stay up at night thinking of stupid stuff to post? Or does it come naturally?

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

didn't um burn a freshman RB redshirt last year?

Yes, there was a Joey Counts as a true freshman last year; he played rather sparingly to say the least. Not a featured back nor second on the depth chart...by any stretch of the imagination. Not as if that wouldn't be the case if Cody Kirk goes down again, or doesn't completely recover from last year's injury. Granted, Kirk did play against Sam Houston State last year but for only one carry for a minus two yards? And the MSU Bobcats are depending on Kirk coming back completely from his injury? Wish him luck. I hope he does. I hate it when a player goes down with an injury; whether it's the Griz or for any other team for that matter; yet alone a career ending one. God forbid.

But...being that it hasn't been completely revealed what the extend of the injury was/is and whether Cody Kirk can actually last the entire season afterwards. That was what I'm asking. And if he can't, then it's assumed to be left up to senority on the depth chart for the Bobcats and that leaves only a Shawn Johnson. All others, as far as I know, are either true freshmen or redshirt freshmen. And those would have to be utilized as more than just as a spare part just for the hell of it burn redshirt status sort of deal.

 

[Cats2506]

didn't um burn a freshman RB redshirt last year?

Yes, there was a Joey Counts as a true freshman last year; he played rather sparingly to say the least. Not a featured back nor second on the depth chart...by any stretch of the imagination. Not as if that wouldn't be the case if Cody Kirk goes down again, or doesn't completely recover from last year's injury. Granted, Kirk did play against Sam Houston State last year but for only one carry for a minus two yards? And the MSU bobcats art depending on Kirk coming back completely from his injury? Wish him luck. I hope he does. I hate it when a player goes down with an injury; whether it's the Griz or for any other team for that matter; yet alone a career ending one. God forbid.

But...being that it hasn't been completely revealed what the extend of the injury was/is and whether Cody Kirk can actually last the entire season afterwards. That was what I'm asking. And if he can't, then it's assumed to be left up to senority on the depth chart for the Bobcats and that leaves only a Shawn Johnson. All others, as far as I know, are either true freshmen or redshirt freshmen. And those would have to be utilized as more than just as a spare part just for the hell of it burn redshirt status sort of deal.

Tell me what would you rather have going into the season with a returning known good RB, and a backup that has played and done very well and then a couple of unknown. Or do you prefer that your whole RB group is basically unknown and hope that at least one will step up :thumb:

 

[Darksim]

Griz have the better RBs. DM is an above average Qb but he lacks solid passing accuracy. As far a DM as a person I think he's a great guy, I have seen a couple of his interviews, he's respectable, smart, he has a knack for always saying the right thing. I hope he has a great career after college. If he shores up his passing ability he would be one of the greats to me.

JJ is going to tear it up for the next two years, I pray the NCAA doesn't impose a playoff ban!

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[NLGrizFan]

No junk here.

He's whispering to the little boy, "Watch this, I'm gonna go look like a fool now. It's playoff time!"

:roll: C'mon... Give it a rest and give the guy some credit. I think it's awesome he took time to take a photo with this kid and sign some autographs.

All right, all right. I'm sure he's a nice guy. I guess I'm still embarrassed that I was rooting for him and his boys when they were down in Texas gettin their asses whooped and fans screaming "START THE BUS!!!" Oh well. I know now to never root for them and save myself some embarrassment. Ugh