Griz to Finish 3rd in Big Sky

[ABQCat]

Cramsey is on record as saying we will be running DM much more this year. The 1-4 designed runs last year will be more like 7-12 this year. Yes, a big reason for the change in philosophy is that Cramsey and Ash have full confidence in our #'s 2 and 3 QBs (it's not yet known who will be in which spot come kickoff time). In 2011, we were all aware that the ONLY QB we had on the bench was Grayson Galloway (who sucked). In 2012, Jake Bleskin was a freshman and would have done ok, but not much more than ok. There was a reasonable chance that Prukop was going to burn his redshirt if DM went down, so much like 2011 we were very conservative with the play calling. Everything is different for 2013. I mean everything. Both the RS Sophomore version of Bleskin and/or Prukop showed in spring that they are fully ready to step in and be successful. Everything is different this year and Cramsey knows it. We will see the full potential of DM for the first time, and only time will tell if it's a good decision or not (meaning that if DM goes down with a major injury in a designed run, many will be second guessing Cramsey and many will be calling for his head). For better or worse, rest assured that we will see an unleashed version DM in 2013.

Interesting on McGhee running more, if true. Also, nice overview post. Thx. I have always liked McGhee. He's been very good, a leader on the field, a big play maker, good at throwing from scrambles and broken plays, and has shown the ability to shake off mistakes and come back. However, is he tough enough to run? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always thought he was a bit of a pussy. Many qb's are; not intended as a knock.

I disagree PR. I think he is a very poor passer once protection breaks down, that is when most of his INT's occur. He is good at gaining a few yards with his feet. He is also slippery. Rarely do you see a defender just unload on him. He has a way of avoiding the big hit. I can't remember if I have ever seen him blown up by a defender.

I think both of you are correct an incorrect at the same time. Much of what I described about McGhee in the past dealt with him staying with a play much too long and trying too hard to make a pass down field when the play was already over. He demonstrated last year that he's much improved at thowing it away when necessary, but he still didn't take as much as was given too him on the scramble. Yes, that led to highly unncecessary interceptions and this is a big fault of McGhee without a doubt. This year we should excpect him to freely take off and gather many more yards scrambling and concequently fewer INTs (similar to Lulay).

Also with the designed runs, opposing teams will have to spend more time accounting for him making us far more dynamic on offense. Without question in the past, teams knew DM was resistant to running and were able to scheme us accordingly. That will not be true anymore.

DM a pussy PR? What do you have to back that up? He's started 38 games in a row so far without missing anything due to injury. The same can't be said for JJ. If nothing else DM has shown to be highly durable along with being tremendously elusive. As I mentioned in my original post, time will tell if running McGhee is a good idea or not. If he does go down with a serious injury, Cramsey will have some serious explaining to do.

 

[zengriz]

...dm like donavon...
...but shorter...
...and slower...

... ...

 

[rimrockgriz]

Cramsey is on record as saying we will be running DM much more this year. The 1-4 designed runs last year will be more like 7-12 this year. Yes, a big reason for the change in philosophy is that Cramsey and Ash have full confidence in our #'s 2 and 3 QBs (it's not yet known who will be in which spot come kickoff time). In 2011, we were all aware that the ONLY QB we had on the bench was Grayson Galloway (who sucked). In 2012, Jake Bleskin was a freshman and would have done ok, but not much more than ok. There was a reasonable chance that Prukop was going to burn his redshirt if DM went down, so much like 2011 we were very conservative with the play calling. Everything is different for 2013. I mean everything. Both the RS Sophomore version of Bleskin and/or Prukop showed in spring that they are fully ready to step in and be successful. Everything is different this year and Cramsey knows it. We will see the full potential of DM for the first time, and only time will tell if it's a good decision or not (meaning that if DM goes down with a major injury in a designed run, many will be second guessing Cramsey and many will be calling for his head). For better or worse, rest assured that we will see an unleashed version DM in 2013.

Interesting on McGhee running more, if true. Also, nice overview post. Thx. I have always liked McGhee. He's been very good, a leader on the field, a big play maker, good at throwing from scrambles and broken plays, and has shown the ability to shake off mistakes and come back. However, is he tough enough to run? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always thought he was a bit of a pussy. Many qb's are; not intended as a knock.

I disagree PR. I think he is a very poor passer once protection breaks down, that is when most of his INT's occur. He is good at gaining a few yards with his feet. He is also slippery. Rarely do you see a defender just unload on him. He has a way of avoiding the big hit. I can't remember if I have ever seen him blown up by a defender.

I think both of you are correct an incorrect at the same time. Much of what I described about McGhee in the past dealt with him staying with a play much too long and trying too hard to make a pass down field when the play was already over. He demonstrated last year that he's much improved at thowing it away when necessary, but he still didn't take as much as was given too him on the scramble. Yes, that led to highly unncecessary interceptions and this is a big fault of McGhee without a doubt. This year we should excpect him to freely take off and gather many more yards scrambling and concequently fewer INTs (similar to Lulay).

Also with the designed runs, opposing teams will have to spend more time accounting for him making us far more dynamic on offense. Without question in the past, teams knew DM was resistant to running and were able to scheme us accordingly. That will not be true anymore.

DM a pussy PR? What do you have to back that up? He's started 38 games in a row so far without missing anything due to injury. The same can't be said for JJ. If nothing else DM has shown to be highly durable along with being tremendously elusive. As I mentioned in my original post, time will tell if running McGhee is a good idea or not. If he does go down with a serious injury, Cramsey will have some serious explaining to do.

You scat slugs can argue back and forth whether Denardo is a pussy or not. W.G.A.F. :roll: The bottom line is the "Titanic" like performances in the post season. His legacy is coming to a close and the pressure is on. No one is shaking in their boots that he is the "next" Kaepernick.( wait til we unleash the run game... :lol: ) He has 2 NAIA tilts ...basicly... to start so let the stat padding roll on. You'll be delusional again, and if you make the post season and the opera music will play as the bow of the ship recedes below the surface again... :msugrad: belch !! :egriz:

 

[snap]

...dm like donavon...
...but shorter...
...and slower...

... ...

nailed it. :lol:

 

[NLGrizFan]

Why all the love for Chokee Mcghee by the cat fans? If he started for the Griz for 4 years and never got past the 2nd round of the playoffs he'd be considered a massive failure. I'd say that's a good indication of what the expectation level is for the kitties.

Perfect. Couldn't have said it better myself. What a joke. Can you imagine the $hit storm that would occur if the Griz got blowed out Ever Single Year in the playoffs. I don't think that would blow over to good LoL

 

[NLGrizFan]

Interesting on McGhee running more, if true. Also, nice overview post. Thx. I have always liked McGhee. He's been very good, a leader on the field, a big play maker, good at throwing from scrambles and broken plays, and has shown the ability to shake off mistakes and come back. However, is he tough enough to run? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always thought he was a bit of a pussy. Many qb's are; not intended as a knock.

I disagree PR. I think he is a very poor passer once protection breaks down, that is when most of his INT's occur. He is good at gaining a few yards with his feet. He is also slippery. Rarely do you see a defender just unload on him. He has a way of avoiding the big hit. I can't remember if I have ever seen him blown up by a defender.

I think both of you are correct an incorrect at the same time. Much of what I described about McGhee in the past dealt with him staying with a play much too long and trying too hard to make a pass down field when the play was already over. He demonstrated last year that he's much improved at thowing it away when necessary, but he still didn't take as much as was given too him on the scramble. Yes, that led to highly unncecessary interceptions and this is a big fault of McGhee without a doubt. This year we should excpect him to freely take off and gather many more yards scrambling and concequently fewer INTs (similar to Lulay).

Also with the designed runs, opposing teams will have to spend more time accounting for him making us far more dynamic on offense. Without question in the past, teams knew DM was resistant to running and were able to scheme us accordingly. That will not be true anymore.

DM a pussy PR? What do you have to back that up? He's started 38 games in a row so far without missing anything due to injury. The same can't be said for JJ. If nothing else DM has shown to be highly durable along with being tremendously elusive. As I mentioned in my original post, time will tell if running McGhee is a good idea or not. If he does go down with a serious injury, Cramsey will have some serious explaining to do.

You scat slugs can argue back and forth whether Denardo is a pussy or not. W.G.A.F. :roll: The bottom line is the "Titanic" like performances in the post season. His legacy is coming to a close and the pressure is on. No one is shaking in their boots that he is the "next" Kaepernick.( wait til we unleash the run game... :lol: ) He has 2 NAIA tilts ...basicly... to start so let the stat padding roll on. You'll be delusional again, and if you make the post season and the opera music will play as the bow of the ship recedes below the surface again... :msugrad: belch !! :egriz:

:lol: :lol: Nice

 

[grizfan95]

Why all the love for Chokee Mcghee by the cat fans? If he started for the Griz for 4 years and never got past the 2nd round of the playoffs he'd be considered a massive failure. I'd say that's a good indication of what the expectation level is for the kitties.

Perfect. Couldn't have said it better myself. What a joke. Can you imagine the $hit storm that would occur if the Griz got blowed out Ever Single Year in the playoffs. I don't think that would blow over to good LoL

Funny you say that because I believe it's true. I believe that every Griz QB since the early 90s who has been with the program for his entire tenure, like McGhee has with the Cats, has made it farther in the playoffs than McGhee.

 

[AZGrizFan]

All you guys can do is talk... That's it. You want to ignore last year like it didn't happen, and pretend you're still the king of the hill.... But you're not. You've been dethroned, but most of you just won't admit it. So from the 5-6 debacle last year you've got the same coaching staff returning, and basically the same team, with the addition of one player, JJ, and we're supposed to be scared? I think JJ is a good QB, but we're not talking about Johnny Manziel here. DM and crew have taken you down two of the last three years, and come November, will be three. :thumb:

Take DM off your team and how do you think they'd fare?

Prukop Is the man, will be a better QB than DM, just wont have the career stats because he wont start for 4 years.

Yep. The 2nd string QB is always the most popular guy on the team. :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[uofmman1122]

I like DM, and I don't think it's a stretch to say he's established himself as the #1 QB in the Big Sky going into this year.

That said, I don't think increasing the number of designed runs for him is a good idea. He's not like JJ. He doesn't have great speed. Like Hammer said, he's slippery, and moves well to avoid defenders, but he's not a pure running QB.

While I'm sure the coaching staff has faith in the backups, I think they're taking a huge risk if that's true for not a whole lot of upside. I understand adding a dynamic to the offense, but I feel like his biggest strength (his passing) will eventually take a hit (literally and figuratively), and he could end up missing games because he was asked to run too much. JJ, McKinney, and SSH all took huge shots in the last two years. I'm sure they won't be going full-on zone read, but it's opening up a huge possibility, and it doesn't mater how good the backups looked in spring, anyone other than DM will be a downgrade for you guys (at least right away), and arguing otherwise is ridiculous.

I just don't think he's a good enough runner to make the risk worth it, but by all means go ahead and try. Anything that hurts your team's chances is A-OK with me. :lol: :twocents:

 

[NLGrizFan]

Why all the love for Chokee Mcghee by the cat fans? If he started for the Griz for 4 years and never got past the 2nd round of the playoffs he'd be considered a massive failure. I'd say that's a good indication of what the expectation level is for the kitties.

Perfect. Couldn't have said it better myself. What a joke. Can you imagine the $hit storm that would occur if the Griz got blowed out Ever Single Year in the playoffs. I don't think that would blow over to good LoL

Funny you say that because I believe it's true. I believe that every Griz QB since the early 90s who has been with the program for his entire tenure, like McGhee has with the Cats, has made it farther in the playoffs than McGhee.

I can't think of any Griz QB that has failed as bad as LBJ. He would never make it as a Grizzly. They woulda benched him a long time ago. I'd hope anyways...

 

[PlayerRep]

Jeez, do you Cat posters really think having avoided injury means a qb isn't a pussy? My god, talk about ignorant and unknowledgeable. Avoiding injury may be an indication he is a pussy. The reason I think McGhee has appeared to be a bit of a pussy is because he avoids contact. That is probably one of the main reasons he hasn't been injured more. Maybe he has been told to go out of his way to avoid contact. If he's running more this year, we'll see if he's a pussy.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Cramsey is on record as saying we will be running DM much more this year...a big reason for the change in philosophy is that Cramsey and Ash have full confidence in our #'s 2 and 3 QBs...Everything is different for 2013. I mean everything. Everything is different this year and Cramsey knows it. We will see the full potential of DM for the first time, and only time will tell if it's a good decision or not...

One guess for the consideration of having McGhee run some what more than he has in the past might just be because the MSU Bobcats have a very shallow running game for the upcoming 2013 season; personnel and experience wise, that is. Cody Kirk is a senior coming off an injury that kept him out for a month last year...has he fully recovered? The only other running back with any experience whatsoever is a junior Shawn Johnson, generously listed biometrically at 5'9" and 172 lbs. Not exactly the heft of a running back a coaching staff would wish to carry the ball through the line with, I would think. More of an open field runner, if not mistaken. Other than that...what?

Six freshmen are listed on their 2013 Roster and, granted, potential is indicated, but, they are freshmen: Chad Newell (6'1" 214 lbs), Nick LaSane (5'11" 200 lbs), Cody Dopps (6'1" 204 lbs - So.?), Gunnar Brekke (5'11" 188 lbs), Morris Gates-Mouton (5'9" 167 lbs) and Cody Vitt (6'0" 195 lbs). The 2013 MSU Bobcats would be wise, I would think, to forego Kirk carrying the ball thirty times a game, game after game, just to keep him healthy and fresh for the long haul into a possible FCS Playoff run. If Kirk goes down again it doesn't look good...not good at all. Not with what's left on the roster in freshmen running backs that appear capable, but may make freshmen mistakes if having to be put into the firing line on a consistent basis. Hence, DeNarius McGhee = learn how to run. Fast!!! More so than you have up to now kind of idea.

Is that a little bit more of an accurate assessment, context-wise, would you think?

Along with all that what does the MSU Bobcats have on their offensive line in order to conduct a running game to begin with? One senior in an Andy Austin, three juniors in Charles Lee, Quinn Catalano and a Christian Williams; with four sophomores and six freshmen. To say the least, I'm not familiar with such names except maybe Austin. Still pretty young none the less. If the MSU Bobcats don't establish a running game then how will the passing game come around with Brian Flotkoetter and Tanner Bleskin?

One thing for certain, IMHO, I wouldn't expect Cody Kirk to being in the main portion of the games against the likes of Monmouth and Colorado Mesa. I'd expect an ample utilization of those freshmen RBs instead, along with Shawn Johnson doing the main bulk of ball carrying. After the SMU game there's the rest of the twelve game 2013 schedule MSU has to worry about, especially after Colorado Mesa. Nine games against FCS opponents with eight conference games. I'd be sweating blood if I had only one running back that I could depend on for an entire season; especially one that's coming off an injury wherein he missed a month during the past season with!

Hence, DeNarius McGhee, sharpen your cheats.

MSU better hope their defense is top notch enough to hand the ball over to McGhee & co. in turnovers more so than McGhee has ever had in the past. Otherwise, those McGhee turnovers in turn with be more costly than they have ever been in the past. If you can't establish a running game the passing game suffers. You can't catch up if you can't run or pass. It may be a very l-o-n-g season over in Bobcat territory this year.

- No wonder that the Bobcat fans were beside themselves when it was tweeted that a Tony Knight was rumoured to transfer from Nevada. A projected starting running back with three years eligibility left? Come on. MSU was delighted in the prospect; especially with the way their running game is shaping up for the forthcoming season. They don't have Orenzo Davis and Tray Robinson anymore. That would have solved one major, major problem. Oh well. C'est la vie.

Now about those backup QBs MSU has. Good snow job there, d-u-d-e. The real problem lies where? Let's deflect away from that somewhat, huh?

 

[MT Head Guy]

Avoiding injury may be an indication he is a pussy.

Interesting...

 

[Lovethecats75]

Jeez, do you Cat posters really think having avoided injury means a qb isn't a pussy? My god, talk about ignorant and unknowledgeable. Avoiding injury may be an indication he is a pussy. The reason I think McGhee has appeared to be a bit of a pussy is because he avoids contact. That is probably one of the main reasons he hasn't been injured more. Maybe he has been told to go out of his way to avoid contact. If he's running more this year, we'll see if he's a pussy.

Ignorant and unknowledgeable? You must be looking in a mirror. No coach that I have ever known tells his starting QB to go out and find someone to hit and hit him hard.

 

[bigkid]

Sure hope JJ meets the definition of "pussy" if avoiding injury is the criteria. Playing smart might be a better discussion. It's obvious the qb is going to take shots but lets not get carried away. I can see that DM wants to win and may at times try and force things but the reality is ash surely doesn't want him to get hurt.

 

[ABQCat]

Great thread guys. Here's what I've learned so far:

1. Playing in 38 straight games (except garbage time) is not indicative of durability. Is the inverse true? If a player misses time on the field he is then considered durable?

2. McGhee is a bad QB and would have been benched by now if he was a grizz. I guess the grizz prefer the likes of S-H and McK over the 2 time BSC Offensive MVP?

3. McGhee is a pussy because he avoids contact and thinking anything different means I am ignorant and unknowledgeable. I guess I'll take the latter. Elusiveness and slipperiness isn't something that's easily taught, but apparently to the football wizards on this board it's a sign of being a pussy. (this one is truly my favorite :lol: )

 

[Ursa Major]

Why are we talking about the bobcats so much in this thread? 2506 would have an erection right now if he was still able to...

 

[Brock Landers]

Yes, judging by the last page, it isn't worth the time to go back and actually read this thread

 

[PlayerRep]

Great thread guys. Here's what I've learned so far:

1. Playing in 38 straight games (except garbage time) is not indicative of durability. Is the inverse true? If a player misses time on the field he is then considered durable?

2. McGhee is a bad QB and would have been benched by now if he was a grizz. I guess the grizz prefer the likes of S-H and McK over the 2 time BSC Offensive MVP?

3. McGhee is a pussy because he avoids contact and thinking anything different means I am ignorant and unknowledgeable. I guess I'll take the latter. Elusiveness and slipperiness isn't something that's easily taught, but apparently to the football wizards on this board it's a sign of being a pussy. (this one is truly my favorite :lol: )

1. You didn't learn that from me. Playing in 38 straight games is an indication of durability--a good indication. It may also reflect that the player avoids contact, either at the direction of the coaches or because he's a bit of a pussy.

2. You didn't learn that from me. I like McGhee and have consistently praised him, altho occasionally pointed out possible negatives.

3. If you believe that durability proves that a qb isn't a bit of a pussy, then you are not knowledgeable about football. Pussy's can be durable if they avoid contact or act like a pussy. Note that the ignorance discussion was started by a Cat poster. I just responded in kind.

4. If you want to refute a question about why he isn't a pussy, tell us about all the contact he's had, how he's picked up first downs by putting his head down and running through defenders, how he's finished off runs, how few times he's slid, tell us how many times he stands in the pocket and waits to release the ball at the last moment in order to allow time for receivers to break open etc. You watch him much more than I have. Show how my question/observation is not accurate. Don't tell me he's durable as your main argument.

 

[NLGrizFan]

Why are we talking about the bobcats so much in this thread? 2506 would have an erection right now if he was still able to...

I just enjoy taking $hit about the scats. If they could actually perform, I might not trash on them so bad but after they cost me $50 a couple years ago, I have absolutely nothing good to say about them. The entire program is a joke in my book. FTC