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GRIZ through Thanksgiving review.

mtgrizrule

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1st of all, rather it be the GRIZ, or any team, any sport, the beginning of the season is always the toughest to judge, or know what to expect from a team. I will give it a try here. We all know the scores and opponents, so I will keep this to personnel, and strategy.

1st of all, I love the depth of this team. Depth like this eventually pays off down the stretch. Tinkle is using out of conference games to experiment with rotations, matchups, finding opportune times to get experience younger players, and learn about this team. I believe that is the biggest reason why the GRIZ are inconsistent this year. Beyond Will Cherry, and Kareem the GRIZ really are not sure what they have. I do believe Selvig will get healthier, and come mid December will be finding a consistent game. The GRIZ have the talent to do much better. Unfortunately, the players with the potential and talent are inexperienced. Inexperience leads to inconsistency. The GRIZ coaches know this, and our fans need to keep this in mind.

It is encouraging to know, despite inconsistent FT shooting, and not so good post play this team has been in every game to date. Our post play can only get better. For the GRIZ to be successful, they have to find a combination of 4 players for PF/C that can be consistent. The problem is not the talent, but what each brings, and what more can each bring.

Selvig, without doubt his best from the high post, and out to 3. Down low, he is a good distributor, and has solid moves, but just does not have the consistent game to use him down there often. Defensively, I am comfortable with Selvig inside, or on the perimeter. The GRIZ need him to find his offense.

Ward can be a solid scorer, and is best from mid range. He is also a lot more composed with the ball in his hands, than he has been in the past. We need to limit his posting up down low to matchups on smaller posts. When a bigger player is guarding him, we need to bring him away from the paint. Defensively he needs to be more consistent. He struggles defensively from time to time still. He is solid in getting position. I still believe he is more of SF, than power player.

Hutchison is a hard player for me to get a grasp on. He works as hard as any player on the court. He mixes it up well inside, creates good space/position when posting up, and runs the court good, when needed. Offensively, we need him to learn what Andrew Strait did with post moves. When he gets the ball, he needs to relax, he rushes his mechanics way too often. Defensively, he must be a little out of position when teams penetrate. I don't see his presence too often, when teams penetrate, and he is out there. He is plenty capable of being a banger, if he can sustain his position longer.

Reader impressed me a lot last year, with very limited play. This year, he impresses me more every game. I have a feeling we will all love watching this kid blossom, and mature as a true post player. Athletically, there is nothing to not like. He moves great on both ends of the floor, and covers a lot of space with ease. Unlike Hutchison, I see Reader's presence most every time an opponent goes to the paint with him out there. Billy, all you need to do to keep your minutes up, is quit leaning, and following through on the block shot attempts. His initial position is great when defending the paint, the leans and letting his arms follow through cause him foul trouble. With the officials the BSC gets, he needs to have the discipline to realize this. I also like the way he runs the floor for a big. This kid is a very fluid, and athletic big for the big sky conference. Offensively, he too creates great space, and position. He has a smooth touch when he does not rush his moves. He also sees the floor better than Hutchison. I honestly see a 2 time all Big Sky performer in Reader. I have a feeling, patience will pay off big time with this kid. The question is when will he put it all together? This is the post player, I would dedicate team game plans towards, offensively and defensively. He does need to work on rebounding consistency though.

Michael Weisner is a player I am not sure which group to classify him as part of this year. I am sold his future is SF though, but SF minutes are a year or 2 away for him though. Steward, and Jamar make SF that our best position. I hope as the year progresses we see Weisner worked into the rotation more somewhere, somehow. He has the footwork to play SF, and he can be a very good scorer at SF, with experience. I like this kid's versatility. Defensively and rebounding, he held his own well against CSU, and was not as mismatched as I thought he would be with this build. He is a smart player too.

Art Steward, for the most part is a consistent defender, rebounder, and scorer. He does a little of everything well, just does not stand out in one aspect. It is nice to know he can be counted on for 8 to 15 points, 4 to 5 boards, a steal, a block, and defense every game. With so much youth, his experience, and versatility is a nice luxury for this team.

Now onto something I am very excited about with this team, backcourt play. I have always been "SOLD" on Will Cherry, and Kareem Jamar from day 1 of their arrival as GRIZ. These 2 can be, and likely will be the best duo in the BSC the next few years, starting this year. Both are capable of dominating the opponents, and taking over games. There is not anything on the court these 2 cannot do. They both score, rebound, pass, and play damn good defense. I would like to see Cherry look to penetrate more, to develop as more of a play maker, if for anything, to make his team mates better and open things up more. It is nice to see his FT and perimeter game is improving, which helps the GRIZ a lot, but with so much youth around him, his penetrating is key. As for Jamar, just use him every way we can, he does not have a weakness offensively. Use him as matchups dictate. He too is capable of being a distributor too, but it is hard to ask a scorer to be that when you need his scoring. Unfortunately, these guys only have so many minutes in them. We need to build the depth here.

Sorry to say this, but it is time to use minutes for developing of Henderson, Gregory, and Deshields. Stockton is always a calming influence, and brings great intangibles, but with the talent waiting for minutes has much more upside this year, and the future. We just are not going to get more from Stockton. Jordan Wood, just does not have any confidence with any shot from outside, including FT's. It is time to come to reality, despite him having nice upside, I think that upside is lost, and buried for good. Again, the talent waiting the wings has to develop, and Wood becomes a limited minutes player.

Henderson Gregory, and Deshields are all very talented, and belong at this level as Freshman. Henderson is an athletic freak at SG/SF very capable of becoming a shutdown defender, rebounder, and versatile scorer. Gregory, handles the ball well, has a nice shot, and looks solid defensively. Deshields outright brings a tough attitude, and confidence this team needs. Deshields, with Cherry, and Jamar is an outright defensive nightmare for opponents, and creates so much easier and more frequent opportunities for the team. Offensively, he tore up UND, and sparked a GRIZ comeback. Too bad he ran out of gas, as did Cherry, and Jamar. In Cherry, Jamar, Deshields, Henderson, and Gregory, the GRIZ have a nice 5 man rotation cover PG, SG, and some SF minutes. The only thing they lack is experience behind Cherry and Jamar. This talent combined with bigs that can run the court well, gives me a lot of hope. I cannot wait for these guys to develop, and get experience. Collectively when these 3, Reader, and Hutchison gain experience, this will be a "fun" team to watch on both ends of the court.

As the year progresses, I hope to see the GRIZ slowly mix our young backcourt players playing time, and commit to developing mainly Reader in the paint. I would love to see this team progressively become a more uptempo defense. Rebounding and FT shooting has to become a lot more consistent, collectively. I love the potential, and upside of this roster.

The keys to this season is definitely the development of Reader, and our young wings. The question is "How long will it take for the youth to become consistent?" When a team is dealing with FR and Sophomores, that can be anywhere from tomorrow to next year. Here is to hoping, and praying, it is closer to tomorrow than next year. :thumb:
 
Good post and I agree with much of what you said. But, I just don't see Selvig as anything but space taker on the floor and maybe for intimidating factlors...offensively, he hurts more than helps....and it has been that way for 3 years now....maybe, he will suddenly metamorphize into a great player....hopefully. On the other hand, while we have a work in progress, other teams are ready to play....no excuses this year....We have the front court, the potential scorers, but are offset by silly fouls and turnovers....gonna be a rocky season...
 
Great stuff mtgriz, that was excellent.

The biggest thing I think still holding them back is the frontcourt and lack of production from it. Hutchison and Ward have not been providing much... Ward hits a couple jumpers a game, but he does not add anything defensively or rebounding the ball. Reader has been excellent and you have to think he will be starting sooner rather than later, but he has to stay out of foul trouble, which has been a problem. Selvig is what he is... not a true post (though he can play down there some) and not always the most consistent guy. Obviously he is going to play better than he did against UND, but his inconsistency is tough because there is nobody like Brian Qvale there that you can count on every night for solid minutes.

Totally agreed on the backcourt... guys like Stockton and Wood are limited, and getting Henderson, DeSheilds, and Gregory more minutes right now is the way to go for the long-term. In the very short-term, you will get the uneven play of freshmen, but their ceilings are so much higher. I think those guys continuing to get minutes is going to serve Tinkle really well.

In the backcourt I would Lillard/Bamforth over Cherry/Jamar by a little, but it is close. I love the play of Cherry and Jamar, they can keep the Griz in any game.
 
kudos to tinks for his recruiting. he's brought some ultra athletes to montana. our kids today have quicks and hops. joy to see. no more debacles like i witnessed at portland state several years ago, when their athletic advantage over us was staggering, and we got blasted out of their tiny gym in the first ten minutes.

what this team needs now is a bruiser in the middle, an enforcer. all the great teams at the big dance have one or three. funny thing is, we have a legacy of them at montana, from mackenzie and stroeder, to kystko and tinkle himself, to darren engleant to qvale. this year our bruisers are too short (ward) or too skinny (selvig) or too young (reader.) i'd like to see one big kid on our team with biceps like cement mixers, an attitude like ndamukong suh, and tatoos like a hell's angel. then i'd feel a lot better about this year's team.
 
i'd like to see one big kid on our team with biceps like cement mixers, an attitude like ndamukong suh, and tatoos like a hell's angel. then i'd feel a lot better about this year's team.

This!

We need!

:thumb:
 
Attitude like Suh? Yea, that sounds like fun. Suh will probably be suspended for multiple games this year because of his attitude. We have the bigs, they just need to develop. Perhaps Tinkles bigs are more suited for his new found run game and not the pound it down low game that YOU are looking for. I trust Tinks knows what he is doing. Reader is going to be a stud.
 
citay said:
i'd like to see one big kid on our team with biceps like cement mixers, an attitude like ndamukong suh, and tatoos like a hell's angel. then i'd feel a lot better about this year's team.


:lol: Nice!

I think Reader will be our go to guy inside soon enough. If he can keep out of foul trouble he's been pretty good so far this year. I have a spreadsheet I updated with this years numbers, which tracks various stats per minute, per game, and per 40 minutes (or 30, or whatever number I put in). Of course there are things that don't show up in the stat sheet, but it's still somewhat interesting to look at. I'll update it again after the long beach state game and upload it somewhere. For some of the younger guys who have played limited minutes, it's kind of misleading though.

Out of all of our players on our roster, Reader hits more shots (and takes more) per minute than anyone. He also grabs more offensive rebounds than anyone. Per 40 minutes he's at 15.81pts and 10.233 rebounds. The stats for him on montanagrizzlies.com & espn are incorrect also for him, as they gave the last game he played to Morgan Young instead of to Reader (since he was wearing 0 I guess it confused them).

I'd really like to see Reader get some starts. I think he's going to be awesome for the Griz by the time he's done here. He's just a freshman now, and really is our best inside threat. If he can cut down on the fouls a bit, he'll get more and more minutes.

I also agree with the other posters above about the young guys. I'd love to see Henderson, Deshields and Gregory get more minutes.

Gregory's shot hasn't started falling yet, but I'm sure it will... I don't get worried about him out there handling the ball or making big mistakes when he's out there. He plays good D too. Once his shot starts falling he'll be another nice option to have out there at the guard.

Even though the stats are a little misleading, Henderson leads the team in scoring per minute and rebounds per minute, which kind of surprised me. Per 40 minutes he's at 21.18 points and 11.765 rebounds. Since he's played pretty limited minutes though, those are going to be a bit misleading. He has made the most of the time he's played so far that's for sure. He's incredibly athletic and will be a lot of fun to watch over the next four years.

And then there's Deshields...wow he did give the Griz a much needed spark against UND! He's another guy who has made the most of their minutes. Averaging 20 pts per 40 minutes played (2nd most on the team). Again though, with limited minutes that's kind of a misleading stat. He plays great D, is very quick, and gives us another 3 point threat out there. That foul they called on him at the end of regulation vs UND was pure bullshit too. I watched the replay of it several times and he got all ball. Unless they called him for getting the guy with his body (which it didn't look like much contact there either) that was a BS foul...

All 3 of these guys look ready to play now, which is pretty impressive for true freshmen. If you can get one true frosh that's ready to play and doesn't seem lost, that's nice... to get 3 out there who look like they belong is REAL nice! I'd look for these guys to start getting more and more minutes, and be regular contributors out there by the time conference starts.
 
GrizLA said:
Good post and I agree with much of what you said. But, I just don't see Selvig as anything but space taker on the floor and maybe for intimidating factlors...offensively, he hurts more than helps....and it has been that way for 3 years now....maybe, he will suddenly metamorphize into a great player....hopefully. On the other hand, while we have a work in progress, other teams are ready to play....no excuses this year....We have the front court, the potential scorers, but are offset by silly fouls and turnovers....gonna be a rocky season...

While you don't know much about football, I find your comments on our BB team to be very astute, and will give you your due. Unfortunately, many Griz BB fans are lulled into jumping on the Selvig bandwagon because he occasionally has a hot shooting game from "3" and scores some points. However, they do not seem to understand how many turnovers he cause, he he gets owned on defense (especially inside), and how he fails to rebound. Rebounding is an attitude, and he runs from any semblance of physical play under the boards.
 
As for Selvig, I will give you this, I do wish his offense was consistent, and we got more rebounding from him. As for his defense, he is not a "bad". Teams have to shoot the 3 away from him, because of his length. He is usually in position in terms of help defense too. He does not get many blocks, because he does not have the timing or natural shotblocking skills many players his size have.

He learned the game of basketball to be a wing, doing a little of everything. Nobody expected him to be a 7 footer. By the way, rather than jumping the kid for what he lacks, why not figure out why he struggles getting stronger, and getting bigger. He has a body that will not accommodate it!!! I know for a fact he busts his ass to get better, and has tried getting bigger, and stronger. Sorry, it his genetics, and there is nothing he can do about it.

He is off to a slow start. I am not here touting him as the next superstar, but do know he is a better player than he is playing right now. Reader is the only other big, even approaching ready for prime minutes. Ward is too small. Hutchison is too inexperienced. Selvig is playing the post by default. Personally, I would keep him at the highpost, let Reader, Hutchison be our bigs on the block, or use Jamar and Steward posting up smaller guards, and SF's.

He will become more consistent as his health, and game returns.
 
mtgrizrule said:
As for Selvig, I will give you this, I do wish his offense was consistent, and we got more rebounding from him. As for his defense, he is not a "bad". Teams have to shoot the 3 away from him, because of his length. He is usually in position in terms of help defense too. He does not get many blocks, because he does not have the timing or natural shotblocking skills many players his size have.

He learned the game of basketball to be a wing, doing a little of everything. Nobody expected him to be a 7 footer. By the way, rather than jumping the kid for what he lacks, why not figure out why he struggles getting stronger, and getting bigger. He has a body that will not accommodate it!!! I know for a fact he busts his ass to get better, and has tried getting bigger, and stronger. Sorry, it his genetics, and there is nothing he can do about it.

He is off to a slow start. I am not here touting him as the next superstar, but do know he is a better player than he is playing right now. Reader is the only other big, even approaching ready for prime minutes. Ward is too small. Hutchison is too inexperienced. Selvig is playing the post by default. Personally, I would keep him at the highpost, let Reader, Hutchison be our bigs on the block, or use Jamar and Steward posting up smaller guards, and SF's.

He will become more consistent as his health, and game returns.
I agree wholeheartedly....no one is attacking Selvig, just wishing he played up to the hype..but if he can't, he can't...I think Tinkle is using him as the highpost and if he can intimidate offenses, good for him...but he oftentimes thinks like a guard, or seems to and that is not so good...We have great guards..
 
GrizLA said:
mtgrizrule said:
As for Selvig, I will give you this, I do wish his offense was consistent, and we got more rebounding from him. As for his defense, he is not a "bad". Teams have to shoot the 3 away from him, because of his length. He is usually in position in terms of help defense too. He does not get many blocks, because he does not have the timing or natural shotblocking skills many players his size have.

He learned the game of basketball to be a wing, doing a little of everything. Nobody expected him to be a 7 footer. By the way, rather than jumping the kid for what he lacks, why not figure out why he struggles getting stronger, and getting bigger. He has a body that will not accommodate it!!! I know for a fact he busts his ass to get better, and has tried getting bigger, and stronger. Sorry, it his genetics, and there is nothing he can do about it.

He is off to a slow start. I am not here touting him as the next superstar, but do know he is a better player than he is playing right now. Reader is the only other big, even approaching ready for prime minutes. Ward is too small. Hutchison is too inexperienced. Selvig is playing the post by default. Personally, I would keep him at the highpost, let Reader, Hutchison be our bigs on the block, or use Jamar and Steward posting up smaller guards, and SF's.

He will become more consistent as his health, and game returns.
I agree wholeheartedly....no one is attacking Selvig, just wishing he played up to the hype..but if he can't, he can't...I think Tinkle is using him as the highpost and if he can intimidate offenses, good for him...but he oftentimes thinks like a guard, or seems to and that is not so good...We have great guards..

I don't have anything personal against Derek, he just can't play the game. Period. His liabilities greatly off-set his one skill. He is very easy to defend, as I saw NAU do to him last year. You simply take away his 3-point shot, and he gets frustrated and tries to dribble the ball, which he almost always loses when he does.

Some fans can't handle the truth, but I always avoid the sugar-coating and bring levity to the board. If I didn't do so, there would be avalanche of constant sugar.
 
Growler1 said:
GrizLA said:
mtgrizrule said:
As for Selvig, I will give you this, I do wish his offense was consistent, and we got more rebounding from him. As for his defense, he is not a "bad". Teams have to shoot the 3 away from him, because of his length. He is usually in position in terms of help defense too. He does not get many blocks, because he does not have the timing or natural shotblocking skills many players his size have.

He learned the game of basketball to be a wing, doing a little of everything. Nobody expected him to be a 7 footer. By the way, rather than jumping the kid for what he lacks, why not figure out why he struggles getting stronger, and getting bigger. He has a body that will not accommodate it!!! I know for a fact he busts his ass to get better, and has tried getting bigger, and stronger. Sorry, it his genetics, and there is nothing he can do about it.

He is off to a slow start. I am not here touting him as the next superstar, but do know he is a better player than he is playing right now. Reader is the only other big, even approaching ready for prime minutes. Ward is too small. Hutchison is too inexperienced. Selvig is playing the post by default. Personally, I would keep him at the highpost, let Reader, Hutchison be our bigs on the block, or use Jamar and Steward posting up smaller guards, and SF's.

He will become more consistent as his health, and game returns.
I agree wholeheartedly....no one is attacking Selvig, just wishing he played up to the hype..but if he can't, he can't...I think Tinkle is using him as the highpost and if he can intimidate offenses, good for him...but he oftentimes thinks like a guard, or seems to and that is not so good...We have great guards..

I don't have anything personal against Derek, he just can't play the game. Period. His liabilities greatly off-set his one skill. He is very easy to defend, as I saw NAU do to him last year. You simply take away his 3-point shot, and he gets frustrated and tries to dribble the ball, which he almost always loses when he does.

Some fans can't handle the truth, but I always avoid the sugar-coating and bring levity to the board. If I didn't do so, there would be avalanche of constant sugar.

The current Griz team should "go small", and use their athleticism to press teams up and down the court. Their weakness is inside, so stop trying to play a traditional high-low post game, and adapt to your strengths..... which means that Selvig sits!
 
Growler1 said:
Growler1 said:
GrizLA said:
mtgrizrule said:
As for Selvig, I will give you this, I do wish his offense was consistent, and we got more rebounding from him. As for his defense, he is not a "bad". Teams have to shoot the 3 away from him, because of his length. He is usually in position in terms of help defense too. He does not get many blocks, because he does not have the timing or natural shotblocking skills many players his size have.

He learned the game of basketball to be a wing, doing a little of everything. Nobody expected him to be a 7 footer. By the way, rather than jumping the kid for what he lacks, why not figure out why he struggles getting stronger, and getting bigger. He has a body that will not accommodate it!!! I know for a fact he busts his ass to get better, and has tried getting bigger, and stronger. Sorry, it his genetics, and there is nothing he can do about it.

He is off to a slow start. I am not here touting him as the next superstar, but do know he is a better player than he is playing right now. Reader is the only other big, even approaching ready for prime minutes. Ward is too small. Hutchison is too inexperienced. Selvig is playing the post by default. Personally, I would keep him at the highpost, let Reader, Hutchison be our bigs on the block, or use Jamar and Steward posting up smaller guards, and SF's.

He will become more consistent as his health, and game returns.
I agree wholeheartedly....no one is attacking Selvig, just wishing he played up to the hype..but if he can't, he can't...I think Tinkle is using him as the highpost and if he can intimidate offenses, good for him...but he oftentimes thinks like a guard, or seems to and that is not so good...We have great guards..

I don't have anything personal against Derek, he just can't play the game. Period. His liabilities greatly off-set his one skill. He is very easy to defend, as I saw NAU do to him last year. You simply take away his 3-point shot, and he gets frustrated and tries to dribble the ball, which he almost always loses when he does.

Some fans can't handle the truth, but I always avoid the sugar-coating and bring levity to the board. If I didn't do so, there would be avalanche of constant sugar.

The current Griz team should "go small", and use their athleticism to press teams up and down the court. Their weakness is inside, so stop trying to play a traditional high-low post game, and adapt to your strengths..... which means that Selvig sits!

There is no way Selvig should sit, or will sit. Just isn't going to happen. Selvig brings another dimension to the game, due to his height and his ability to score in the paint (even if it's a pull-up jumper or floater on the drive). He also helps on rebounding and defense in the paint. Complaining that Selvig doesn't play the way you want him to do, i.e. more like Qvale is one thing, but saying he shouldn't be on the court is truly clueless.
 
I am sick of the Selvig debates. Not going to try changing anyone's mind, one way or the other.

As for Reader, I am taking a shot in the dark, based on Tinkle's handling of other talented underclassmen over the last few years. Many here have seen a lot to like about Reader, and are wondering what is keeping him from more minutes. Other than silly ass calls, or outright bad calls, causing foul trouble, Tinkle is not one that believes in just handing a young player minutes, even if his talent merits it.

Brian Qvale, played behind Kyle Sharp in the post, in Qvale's freshman year. Even though Qvale was the better post player. Qvale also had a lot of foul trouble, was a better defensive player, and stronger than Reader. Reader is ahead of Qvale as a Freshman big on the offensive end.

Will Cherry was our best true PG as a Freshman. Again, Tinkle slowly increased his minutes, and made him earn the minutes.

Kareem Jamar's minutes were inconsistent most of last year, even when healthy. By season's end though, the kid was one of our top players, and Tinkle did not hesitate to give him major minutes.

Tinkle is damn good at using out of conference games to motivate talented young players to earn minutes steadily. Reader, and Deshields, appear to be the most ready right now, and getting the most consistent rotation minutes. Both have been rather impresssive so far this year, and both are extremely talented. Mentally, Deshields is ready too. Mentally, I am guessing, Reader has some way to go to find more consistent minutes. If we get an officiating crew that actually lets them play, Reader will see more minutes. He really gets the short end of whistle happy officials.

As for Henderson, Gregory, and Weisner. I love what all 3 bring, and their potential.

Gregory right now, is kind of an odd man out. He is a PG, by nature, but with Will and Deshields, in front him, he will either have to wait for minutes, learn to play more SG, or hope Deshields can fill some SG minutes for Jamar. Gregory has the talent, but physically is not ready as Deshields is. Gregory will very good after Cherry graduates.

Weisner, is even more of an odd man out then Gregory, and by no fault of his own. He is a true SF, and I hope most his minutes are here. Too bad for him, we loaded at SF with Steward, Jamar, Henderson, and even a lot of 3 guard rotations. I would love to see his minutes slowly be elevated as the season nears an end, to prep him for minutes after this year when Steward graduates.

Henderson is by far one of the most athletic players we have ever had here, and is getting by on that as a freshman. He is a true combo SG/SF, more athletic than Jamar, but not the court savy or natural shooting stroke of Jamar. This kid has a high ceiling, and if he continues to develop will be a great GRIZ. Again, how does Tinkle find time to build this kid? He will have to earn minutes from Steward, but Art is such a "rock" at sF, and our depth is great here. Like Weisner, his minutes will be spot minutes.

With all that said, I am really looking forward to the day we can go small with any combination of these players, Reader, Weisner, Henderson, Jamar, Deshields, Cherry, and Gregory. When will Tinkle spring this rotation on an opponents for a 5 to 15 minute stretch? My God the traps and pressure would be Duquesne like impressive. I hope it is a matter of time before we see some of that this year.
 
Excellent post, MtGrizRule! Several perceptive and salient points about an increasingly versatile & formidable team. AND, I really apprreciate your ability to ignore/sidestep all of the gutter speak that's infesting so many threads of late!
 
grizzlyjournal said:
Excellent post, MtGrizRule! Several perceptive and salient points about an increasingly versatile & formidable team. AND, I really apprreciate your ability to ignore/sidestep all of the gutter speak that's infesting so many threads of late!

Compared to the football threads, it is minor here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I love GRIZ athletics, but just have more knowledge on GRIZ basketball. Following 5 players per team on a small court is so much easier than 11 per team on a large field. :thumb:
 
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