Griz scholarships

[grizfnz]

 

[mtgrizrule]

The winner is the one who measures before the pissing contest. :lol: :thumb:

 

[garizzalies]

It's just weird to me how a kid who had 9 receptions last year is suddenly a "difference maker" "game changer" and "matchup nightmare" lol

Good point. Saylor had 8 catches and 2 TD's last year, and he was hurt the whole year. 22 catches the prior year.

Harper had a nose for the football. He didn't get many chances but when he did, he made the most of them. That's what being a TE is all about (that and blocking, which he was pretty good at too). And with his age and eligibility, his ceiling was way higher than any other TE on the roster. It was stupid to let him go, but with the failed promise BS, it's beyond stupidity and into the realm of complete assinine ignorance and arrogance. And for what? two birds in the bush? I don't know why anyone would make excuses for this staff as the staff seems to go out of its way to keep making dumb decisions. Didn't they just move the 2 Butte Central kids out of the TE position? Are they on scholly? If you need to trim some fat, seems like their are other schollys to examine.

 

[garizzalies]

It's just weird to me how a kid who had 9 receptions last year is suddenly a "difference maker" "game changer" and "matchup nightmare" lol

Good point. Saylor had 8 catches and 2 TD's last year, and he was hurt the whole year. 22 catches the prior year.

Harper had a nose for the football. He didn't get many chances but when he did, he made the most of them. That's what being a TE is all about (that and blocking, which he was pretty good at too). And with his age and eligibility, his ceiling was way higher than any other TE on the roster. It was stupid to let him go, but with the failed promise BS, it's beyond stupidity and into the realm of complete assinine ignorance and arrogance. And for what? two birds in the bush? I don't know why anyone would make excuses for this staff as the staff seems to go out of its way to keep making dumb decisions. Didn't they just move the 2 Butte Central kids out of the TE position? Are they on scholly? If you need to trim some fat, seems like there are other schollys to examine.

 

[grizatwork]

It's just weird to me how a kid who had 9 receptions last year is suddenly a "difference maker" "game changer" and "matchup nightmare" lol

Good point. Saylor had 8 catches and 2 TD's last year, and he was hurt the whole year. 22 catches the prior year.

Harper had a nose for the football. He didn't get many chances but when he did, he made the most of them. That's what being a TE is all about (that and blocking, which he was pretty good at too). And with his age and eligibility, his ceiling was way higher than any other TE on the roster. It was stupid to let him go, but with the failed promise BS, it's beyond stupidity and into the realm of complete assinine ignorance and arrogance. And for what? two birds in the bush? I don't know why anyone would make excuses for this staff as the staff seems to go out of its way to keep making dumb decisions. Didn't they just move the 2 Butte Central kids out of the TE position? Are they on scholly? If you need to trim some fat, seems like their are other schollys to examine.

I get the anger, but you are just as guilty as those that are defending Delaney. All of this is speculation as no one but the staff and the student know exactly what was promised and when it was promised. Maybe they did keep their promise and he wanted more? Maybe the Butte Central kids have been trimmed of their money? Maybe, maybe.

 

[tnt]

It's just weird to me how a kid who had 9 receptions last year is suddenly a "difference maker" "game changer" and "matchup nightmare" lol

Good point. Saylor had 8 catches and 2 TD's last year, and he was hurt the whole year. 22 catches the prior year.

Harper had a nose for the football. He didn't get many chances but when he did, he made the most of them. That's what being a TE is all about (that and blocking, which he was pretty good at too). And with his age and eligibility, his ceiling was way higher than any other TE on the roster. It was stupid to let him go, but with the failed promise BS, it's beyond stupidity and into the realm of complete assinine ignorance and arrogance. And for what? two birds in the bush? I don't know why anyone would make excuses for this staff as the staff seems to go out of its way to keep making dumb decisions. Didn't they just move the 2 Butte Central kids out of the TE position? Are they on scholly? If you need to trim some fat, seems like there are other schollys to examine.

You are making a lot of assumptions...............

 

[Grizfan-24]

Where this conversation seems to go off the rails, is really about a position that totaled 26 or so catches and 9 TD's last year. We are obsessed, in the past and present about a position that several coaches for differing reasons, don't utilize in the same way we see on Sunday.

Bruce Arians advocates for a big guy who can block, but doesn't need to stretch the defense. He wants an inline blocker. Others like to split TE's out, but whatever it is the scheme is, but we have had this inane debate over the position from the days of willie walden.

This offense pushes vertical on the edge and with slot receivers. Our TE's don't split out a ton and are expected to bring an ability to set the edge in the run game. So Harper's skill set as a vertical threat is lost in the general scheme of this offense.

Yet we seem to rail, over and over again, how our OC's misuse players. My question is why does it seem logical to create a scheme, that doesn't fit with the overall design of the offense, just to fit a positional matchup that we want to see. Sometimes it seems so Madden to me in some of the logic used.

In the end, I hate to see anyone who has value to the program leave. There are a myriad of issues that we cannot possibly know that is going on behind the scenes. I wish Harper the best of luck in his future endeavors whatever they may be.

 

[WaGriz4life]

It's just weird to me how a kid who had 9 receptions last year is suddenly a "difference maker" "game changer" and "matchup nightmare" lol

No one said he was a "nightmare matchup "douche". Quit acting like c#nt. How many GRIZ games have you watched the last 5, 10, or 20 years? Better yet... Have you pegged a player a dominating force BEFORE he blossomed on a "single occasion? No. But I see you're still running your mouth without any foundation :lol: ...this was a pr!ck up plain and simple. This kid is a stud and you don't know what f...... way is up :roll: Maybe you can evaluate how fast you can fry an egg on your hood tomorrow...that I'll buy... :egriz:

:lol: :lol: Let me ask you, whose scholarship are you cutting to ensure that our 215lb TE gets the scholarship you feel he is entitled to? Mitch Saylor??? Please. There isn't any coach who would make that trade. Saylor is due to have a huge year if he can finally stay healthy. You've always been a joke of a poster and you are showing it with each and every post.

 

[garizzalies]

Harper had a nose for the football. He didn't get many chances but when he did, he made the most of them. That's what being a TE is all about (that and blocking, which he was pretty good at too). And with his age and eligibility, his ceiling was way higher than any other TE on the roster. It was stupid to let him go, but with the failed promise BS, it's beyond stupidity and into the realm of complete assinine ignorance and arrogance. And for what? two birds in the bush? I don't know why anyone would make excuses for this staff as the staff seems to go out of its way to keep making dumb decisions. Didn't they just move the 2 Butte Central kids out of the TE position? Are they on scholly? If you need to trim some fat, seems like there are other schollys to examine.

You are making a lot of assumptions...............

Other than the failed promise BS, what other assumptions did I make? When it comes down to what matters most (actual performance on the field), I think the bigger assumption came after my post: "Saylor is due to have a huge year if he can finally stay healthy."

 

[tnt]

Harper had a nose for the football. He didn't get many chances but when he did, he made the most of them. That's what being a TE is all about (that and blocking, which he was pretty good at too). And with his age and eligibility, his ceiling was way higher than any other TE on the roster. It was stupid to let him go, but with the failed promise BS, it's beyond stupidity and into the realm of complete assinine ignorance and arrogance. And for what? two birds in the bush? I don't know why anyone would make excuses for this staff as the staff seems to go out of its way to keep making dumb decisions. Didn't they just move the 2 Butte Central kids out of the TE position? Are they on scholly? If you need to trim some fat, seems like there are other schollys to examine.

You are making a lot of assumptions...............

Other than the failed promise BS, what other assumptions did I make? When it comes down to what matters most (actual performance on the field), I think the bigger assumption came after my post: "Saylor is due to have a huge year if he can finally stay healthy."

I think the saylor comment had more merit. he had a pretty good year injured a better year the year before. But what you are assuming is that the OP was accurate and agenda free, especially for a first post, you are assuming you know what the kids performance was through out spring ball, you are assuming you know it was better than the kids who do or can play the position, you assuming you know and understand the offensive scheme and what the kid can contribute, you are assuming a stranger on the internet is telling the truth about the exit interview and what came down, you are assuming MD and Lurk are lying about how and what they base their decisions on. There is more of course but thats a pretty good start.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Harper had a nose for the football. He didn't get many chances but when he did, he made the most of them. That's what being a TE is all about (that and blocking, which he was pretty good at too). And with his age and eligibility, his ceiling was way higher than any other TE on the roster. It was stupid to let him go, but with the failed promise BS, it's beyond stupidity and into the realm of complete assinine ignorance and arrogance. And for what? two birds in the bush? I don't know why anyone would make excuses for this staff as the staff seems to go out of its way to keep making dumb decisions. Didn't they just move the 2 Butte Central kids out of the TE position? Are they on scholly? If you need to trim some fat, seems like there are other schollys to examine.

You are making a lot of assumptions...............

Other than the failed promise BS, what other assumptions did I make? When it comes down to what matters most (actual performance on the field), I think the bigger assumption came after my post: "Saylor is due to have a huge year if he can finally stay healthy."

I think the saylor comment had more merit. he had a pretty good year injured a better year the year before. But what you are assuming is that the OP was accurate and agenda free, especially for a first post, you are assuming you know what the kids performance was through out spring ball, you are assuming you know it was better than the kids who do or can play the position, you assuming you know and understand the offensive scheme and what the kid can contribute, you are assuming a stranger on the internet is telling the truth about the exit interview and what came down, you are assuming MD and Lurk are lying about how and what they base their decisions on. There is more of course but thats a pretty good start.

He is also assuming that just because he is younger in eligibility, that he has a higher athletic ceiling than any other TE on the roster.

 

[garizzalies]

TNT, I'll give you the off-the-field assumptions re the failed promise BS. IF TRUE, that stuff pisses me off but i have no idea. But that's not the real issue. What I do know is what i witnessed with my own eyes: Harper was a great TE (a position near and dear to my heart). He was a little small but he actually used that to his advantage by running great routes and being able to get lost in coverage. Harper played in every game last year. He even started a few, didn't he? Has Saylor ever played TE?

I know what we had in Harper and we would have had that for 3 more years (and he would have been the most mature player on the team, at least age-wise). You can't say the same thing about any other TE on the roster.

On the surface, this looks like a dumb decision: they let the only TE with any GT experience go, apparently so an unproven/injury-prone WR can take over his spot and be backed up by two unproven freshman. Based strictly on Xs and Os, I think its bizarre that i'm the one being accused of making "assumptions."

 

[tnt]

He is also assuming that just because he is younger in eligibility, that he has a higher athletic ceiling than any other TE on the roster.

True but I sort of thought the idea we should cut our seniors and Juniors in favor of underclassman stood on its own. I mean of course we should start Gustafson instead of JJ. I mean really all that Johnson kid is going to do is graduate this year then what??? Give his scholarship to someone who has potential now.............

 

[AZGrizFan]

Sounds to me like a guy who didn't get what he wanted (given the change in scholarship circumstances) and instead of staying around and actually EARNING a scholarship decided to take his ball and go home.

So long, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

 

[garizzalies]

Sounds to me like he did EARN it; he played in every game last year and even started a few. He held up his end of the bargain--what more was he supposed to do?

I get that there MIGHT be better/bigger TEs out there (although unproven). I take issue with essentially cutting a known commodity/substantial contributor for an unknown, while there are several others on the roster with zero GT experience. In fact, there seems to be a few on the roster (like the BC boys) that not only have not (and likely will not) see the field, they keep losing their positions. So you can't really use the "depth" excuse here because they just let the most experienced TE go. Makes no sense. Something weird must be going on.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

This sounds about like the Jake Dallasera situation I posted on a while back. He was apparently pretty discouraged that a scholly was dangled but did not come through. He stuck it out and MD has come through with a partial of some kind. I am pretty sure even a partial was a big help to him. My point is, a guy doesn't get a scholly but stays on- that's the kind of Griz heart I like to see.

 

[grizfan95]

http://missoulian.com/sports/colleg...cle_4d35423e-e20d-11e3-b37e-0019bb2963f4.html

Griz lose No. 1 tight end

“He has just decided he does not want to play football anymore,” Delaney said. “He’s older than the rest of the kids (22) and wants to get on with his life and do something else.

“He was a good football player. He helped us a bunch and did some really good things. His passion has probably waned a little bit where other things are important to him. His church, he’s an LDS kid and his church is important. He just felt it was time he moved on.”

“We’re fine,” Delaney said on the topic of tight end.

Also talked about McKinney leaving:

“This is such a hard game, college football, that your heart has to be in it 100 percent to have a chance to be successful,” Delaney said. “It’s not for everybody and we understand that. You just have to do so much work and have so much commitment.”

 

[rimrockgriz]

It's just weird to me how a kid who had 9 receptions last year is suddenly a "difference maker" "game changer" and "matchup nightmare" lol

No one said he was a "nightmare matchup "douche". Quit acting like c#nt. How many GRIZ games have you watched the last 5, 10, or 20 years? Better yet... Have you pegged a player a dominating force BEFORE he blossomed on a "single occasion? No. But I see you're still running your mouth without any foundation :lol: ...this was a pr!ck up plain and simple. This kid is a stud and you don't know what f...... way is up :roll: Maybe you can evaluate how fast you can fry an egg on your hood tomorrow...that I'll buy... :egriz:

:lol: :lol: Let me ask you, whose scholarship are you cutting to ensure that our 215lb TE gets the scholarship you feel he is entitled to? Mitch Saylor??? Please. There isn't any coach who would make that trade. Saylor is due to have a huge year if he can finally stay healthy. You've always been a joke of a poster and you are showing it with each and every post.

I take no offense to your comments, because I'm far too arrogant. Hey...the Harper kid is a better athlete with very fluid hips. He flows through his routes with grace vs a "stiff", rigid athlete you support. Your guy is training room regular and he has a proven propensity to stay there. (the alliteration is free) Harp was an all state "hooper" and it shows in his agility. Someone answered your schollie question earlier today with the comments on the B.C. boys. They can't find a spot where they can contribute. Time to end the gravy train. Hey, I don't know EXACTLY what went on here. This is a football board with all kinds of side shows going on in every direction.I have to base my comments on what is in print in front of me and try to read between the lines. We have to play "Shoota" in his house this year and we need every weapon at our disposal. Pisses me off to see this stud gone. :twisted: ... :egriz:

 

[signedbewildered]

Life goes on.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Where this conversation seems to go off the rails, is really about a position that totaled 26 or so catches and 9 TD's last year. We are obsessed, in the past and present about a position that several coaches for differing reasons, don't utilize in the same way we see on Sunday.

Bruce Arians advocates for a big guy who can block, but doesn't need to stretch the defense. He wants an inline blocker. Others like to split TE's out, but whatever it is the scheme is, but we have had this inane debate over the position from the days of willie walden.

This offense pushes vertical on the edge and with slot receivers. Our TE's don't split out a ton and are expected to bring an ability to set the edge in the run game. So Harper's skill set as a vertical threat is lost in the general scheme of this offense.

Yet we seem to rail, over and over again, how our OC's misuse players. My question is why does it seem logical to create a scheme, that doesn't fit with the overall design of the offense, just to fit a positional matchup that we want to see. Sometimes it seems so Madden to me in some of the logic used.

In the end, I hate to see anyone who has value to the program leave. There are a myriad of issues that we cannot possibly know that is going on behind the scenes. I wish Harper the best of luck in his future endeavors whatever they may be.

Good post.

Disappointed to see Harper go though. His agility allowed him a special ability to break open in the end zone. That is a very difficult match up to cover. I think Saylor is as good of an athlete and maybe a bit faster, but he didn't run as precise of routes or seem to have as reliable hands. I could see him being one of the those surprisingly improved players though if he can stay healthy.

I'd like to see one of our bigger TEs step up. Our OL could use an extra guy and it would be good to get a big reliable target on the field that can mix it up with backers and get us 5 or 7 yards.

I think we got a little spoiled when we had Pfahler and Beaudin manning the position and have been missing that asset ever since. Kind of like we were spoiled when we had Colt and Shann at safety. Those guys were high level players though that don't come along very often. Lucky for us they were late bloomers from small local schools.