retiredpopo said:I wonder who the other player that is leaving is?
Possibly Calhoun....Ursus1 said:My guess the other oline guy who disappeared during fall camp. Brandon Scott
grizfnz said:Possibly Calhoun....Ursus1 said:My guess the other oline guy who disappeared during fall camp. Brandon Scott
AZGrizFan said:Seems strange that O-linemen would get so many concussions. Doesn’t seem like they take a lot of shots to the head like running backs or receivers or QB’s....then again, I never played the game...
AZGrizFan said:Seems strange that O-linemen would get so many concussions. Doesn’t seem like they take a lot of shots to the head like running backs or receivers or QB’s....then again, I never played the game...
Hopefully, someone with more real game experience will chime in on this issue ... but it does not surprise me all that much. I played maybe a half season of (basically) PE football in high school where we were actually given helmets. An O-lineman is taught to keep his feet but get as low as possible when he blocks (we were, anyway), just like in most forms of wrestling. That's because, almost invariably, low man wins. And you're going all-out, especially if you're on a pull route. Guess what? You may try to keep your head out of the way, but more often than not, you are met with a hip or a knee to the head. With the crude helmets we wore (just a bar), I still wonder how more guys didn't lose teeth. It's actually pretty dangerous if you do it without a helmet (blows to the temple ), but we didn't know any better.fanofzoo said:Thinking the same thing, there's something else but I still recognize the seriousness of it.AZGrizFan said:Seems strange that O-linemen would get so many concussions. Doesn’t seem like they take a lot of shots to the head like running backs or receivers or QB’s....then again, I never played the game...
AZGrizFan said:Seems strange that O-linemen would get so many concussions. Doesn’t seem like they take a lot of shots to the head like running backs or receivers or QB’s....then again, I never played the game...
Ever notice how many times teammates slap each other on their helmets after good plays? Sometimes the slap (altho meaning well) knocks the player's head enough to be seen.PDXGrizzly said:I wasn’t a lineman at the collegiate level, but helmet to helmet contact is VERY common. Look at the helmets. Research as shown that CTE isn’t simply an outcome of big hits, but it’s also an outcome of many small ones. The collisions in the line generally aren’t the highlight reel variety, but they happen frequently, especially during run blocking and blitz pickup.
This was even more of an issue in the days when you could not use your hands blocking. The forearm was just as much a weapon for the OL. Since the OL had the snap count, you could get the blocking target on his heels with a quick and strong forearm to the Adam's apple. It was key to handling a bigger target. I can't count the number of bone bruses on my left forearm caused by the facemask cages with the big vertical bar in the middle.IdaGriz01 said:Edit: Forgot one other fact of life for an O-Lineman ... the forearm shiver to the chops. You come in low, the D-back doesn't want to get blasted, so he snaps your head back with a forearm. (Totally legal, near as I can tell.) For him, it's even better if his arm is all wrapped because of an "injury."
AZGrizFan said:Seems strange that O-linemen would get so many concussions. Doesn’t seem like they take a lot of shots to the head like running backs or receivers or QB’s....then again, I never played the game...
Grizzoola said:Ever notice how many times teammates slap each other on their helmets after good plays? Sometimes the slap (altho meaning well) knocks the player's head enough to be seen.PDXGrizzly said:I wasn’t a lineman at the collegiate level, but helmet to helmet contact is VERY common. Look at the helmets. Research as shown that CTE isn’t simply an outcome of big hits, but it’s also an outcome of many small ones. The collisions in the line generally aren’t the highlight reel variety, but they happen frequently, especially during run blocking and blitz pickup.
Pretty much what I have read on the head injury subject, as you noted the constant head pounding contact simply builds up over a season, through many seasons from high school onward.PDXGrizzly said:AZGrizFan said:Seems strange that O-linemen would get so many concussions. Doesn’t seem like they take a lot of shots to the head like running backs or receivers or QB’s....then again, I never played the game...
I wasn’t a lineman at the collegiate level, but helmet to helmet contact is VERY common. Look at the helmets. Research as shown that CTE isn’t simply an outcome of big hits, but it’s also an outcome of many small ones. The collisions in the line generally aren’t the highlight reel variety, but they happen frequently, especially during run blocking and blitz pickup.
You are taught to keep low Zs and Vs (low man wins. Zs reference the trace of the legs to the arms, Vs reference the arms), but getting there often results in helmet to helmet contact. It’s the nature of the position.