GRIZ/Pacific

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

I hate to be the guy that sounds like a dick but honestly, how is our worst shooter (going by FG %) taking these big shots?

Lay off Ellis for Christ sake, you are on his ass all the time an dit is getting really old. You bitch even when he was the leading scorer and his teammates are telling him to shoot. The last play wasn't for him but he had not choice but shoot given what happenned. Would you rather he dribble the clock to zero? How the hell can you claim to be a writer when you are so biased? :loser:

I'm sorry, i'm not gonna give it to you like everyone else does, sugar coated to shit so it doesn't really matter. Call me biased, whatever. you're the biased one, you see no bad in this program and don't criticize. If all our fans were like this the program would get no where.

oh, and if he would've dribbled the ball down to zero would the final score of been any different? no. so should i be happy with either scenario? keep defending BE taking big shots, i don't care. lets just be satisfied witha .500 team. i mean seriously, lets just all be jolly with the current situation. give me a good reason for having the very worst shooter on the team being on the court, let alone shooting the ball, on the last possession of the game.

 

[Grizbacker1]

I hate to be the guy that sounds like a dick but honestly, how is our worst shooter (going by FG %) taking these big shots?

Lay off Ellis for Christ sake, you are on his ass all the time an dit is getting really old. You bitch even when he was the leading scorer and his teammates are telling him to shoot. The last play wasn't for him but he had not choice but shoot given what happenned. Would you rather he dribble the clock to zero? How the hell can you claim to be a writer when you are so biased? :loser:

I'm sorry, i'm not gonna give it to you like everyone else does, sugar coated to shit so it doesn't really matter. Call me biased, whatever. you're the biased one, you see no bad in this program and don't criticize. If all our fans were like this the program would get no where.

oh, and if he would've dribbled the ball down to zero would the final score of been any different? no. so should i be happy with either scenario? keep defending BE taking big shots, i don't care. lets just be satisfied witha .500 team. i mean seriously, lets just all be jolly with the current situation. give me a good reason for having the very worst shooter on the team being on the court, let alone shooting the ball, on the last possession of the game.

Never criticize? Apparently you can't read. The difference is I know a little about basketball, and you know nothing. BE could school your ass in his sleep. Go back to your fantasy blog where you play a make believe journalist instead of the real life village idiot. :loser:

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

I hate to be the guy that sounds like a dick but honestly, how is our worst shooter (going by FG %) taking these big shots?

Lay off Ellis for Christ sake, you are on his ass all the time an dit is getting really old. You bitch even when he was the leading scorer and his teammates are telling him to shoot. The last play wasn't for him but he had not choice but shoot given what happenned. Would you rather he dribble the clock to zero? How the hell can you claim to be a writer when you are so biased? :loser:

I'm sorry, i'm not gonna give it to you like everyone else does, sugar coated to shit so it doesn't really matter. Call me biased, whatever. you're the biased one, you see no bad in this program and don't criticize. If all our fans were like this the program would get no where.

oh, and if he would've dribbled the ball down to zero would the final score of been any different? no. so should i be happy with either scenario? keep defending BE taking big shots, i don't care. lets just be satisfied witha .500 team. i mean seriously, lets just all be jolly with the current situation. give me a good reason for having the very worst shooter on the team being on the court, let alone shooting the ball, on the last possession of the game.

Never criticize? Apparently you can't read. The difference is I know a little about basketball, and you know nothing. BE could school your ass in his sleep. Go back to your fantasy blog where you play a make believe journalist instead of the real life village idiot. :loser:

Once again, your best defense is 'well, he could beat you.' Great, Bryan Ellis can outshoot a 5'6" 140 lb kid who's never played competitive basketball in his life. That definitely justifies him taking big shots, right? Come up with a better argument and I'll consider debating this with you.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Lay off Ellis for Christ sake, you are on his ass all the time an dit is getting really old. You bitch even when he was the leading scorer and his teammates are telling him to shoot. The last play wasn't for him but he had not choice but shoot given what happenned. Would you rather he dribble the clock to zero? How the hell can you claim to be a writer when you are so biased? :loser:

I'm sorry, i'm not gonna give it to you like everyone else does, sugar coated to shit so it doesn't really matter. Call me biased, whatever. you're the biased one, you see no bad in this program and don't criticize. If all our fans were like this the program would get no where.

oh, and if he would've dribbled the ball down to zero would the final score of been any different? no. so should i be happy with either scenario? keep defending BE taking big shots, i don't care. lets just be satisfied witha .500 team. i mean seriously, lets just all be jolly with the current situation. give me a good reason for having the very worst shooter on the team being on the court, let alone shooting the ball, on the last possession of the game.

Never criticize? Apparently you can't read. The difference is I know a little about basketball, and you know nothing. BE could school your ass in his sleep. Go back to your fantasy blog where you play a make believe journalist instead of the real life village idiot. :loser:

Once again, your best defense is 'well, he could beat you.' Great, Bryan Ellis can outshoot a 5'6" 140 lb kid who's never played competitive basketball in his life. That definitely justifies him taking big shots, right? Come up with a better argument and I'll consider debating this with you.

You really didn't need to tell me you never played the game. It is crystal clear in your so called "analysis". There is no reason to debate someone so close minded as yourself who can't see past his hate of Ellis enough to realize and admit how ignorant you are about his role on the team. Why don't you ask his teammates and coaches? You say I never criticize anything about the Griz BB team, then you don't really read anything other than your own non sense. I don't have to attack a player personally to criticize, you seem to think that is the only way. All you have done is how you know nothing about basketball, and even less about reading comprehension. :loser:

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

I'm sorry, i'm not gonna give it to you like everyone else does, sugar coated to shit so it doesn't really matter. Call me biased, whatever. you're the biased one, you see no bad in this program and don't criticize. If all our fans were like this the program would get no where.

oh, and if he would've dribbled the ball down to zero would the final score of been any different? no. so should i be happy with either scenario? keep defending BE taking big shots, i don't care. lets just be satisfied witha .500 team. i mean seriously, lets just all be jolly with the current situation. give me a good reason for having the very worst shooter on the team being on the court, let alone shooting the ball, on the last possession of the game.

Never criticize? Apparently you can't read. The difference is I know a little about basketball, and you know nothing. BE could school your ass in his sleep. Go back to your fantasy blog where you play a make believe journalist instead of the real life village idiot. :loser:

Once again, your best defense is 'well, he could beat you.' Great, Bryan Ellis can outshoot a 5'6" 140 lb kid who's never played competitive basketball in his life. That definitely justifies him taking big shots, right? Come up with a better argument and I'll consider debating this with you.

You really didn't need to tell me you never played the game. It is crystal clear in your so called "analysis". There is no reason to debate someone so close minded as yourself who can't see past his hate of Ellis enough to realize and admit how ignorant you are about his role on the team. Why don't you ask his teammates and coaches? You say I never criticize anything about the Griz BB team, then you don't really read anything other than your own non sense. I don't have to attack a player personally to criticize, you seem to think that is the only way. All you have done is how you know nothing about basketball, and even less about reading comprehension. :loser:

Yeah, thanks for telling me why BE should shoot. I don't hate BE, he is integral to the success of his team but his role is as pure PG and defensive stopper. Do you disagree?

In almost every debate i've ever seen you get in, you rarely make a solid point and choose only to personally attack anyone who disagrees with you then tack some lame emoticon on there like.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Never criticize? Apparently you can't read. The difference is I know a little about basketball, and you know nothing. BE could school your ass in his sleep. Go back to your fantasy blog where you play a make believe journalist instead of the real life village idiot. :loser:

Once again, your best defense is 'well, he could beat you.' Great, Bryan Ellis can outshoot a 5'6" 140 lb kid who's never played competitive basketball in his life. That definitely justifies him taking big shots, right? Come up with a better argument and I'll consider debating this with you.

You really didn't need to tell me you never played the game. It is crystal clear in your so called "analysis". There is no reason to debate someone so close minded as yourself who can't see past his hate of Ellis enough to realize and admit how ignorant you are about his role on the team. Why don't you ask his teammates and coaches? You say I never criticize anything about the Griz BB team, then you don't really read anything other than your own non sense. I don't have to attack a player personally to criticize, you seem to think that is the only way. All you have done is how you know nothing about basketball, and even less about reading comprehension. :loser:

Yeah, thanks for telling me why BE should shoot. I don't hate BE, he is integral to the success of his team but his role is as pure PG and defensive stopper. Do you disagree?

In almost every debate i've ever seen you get in, you rarely make a solid point and choose only to personally attack anyone who disagrees with you then tack some lame emoticon on there like.

You still haven't really read anything, go to the game threads TRY READING, you might actually learn something. At least I can admit when I am wrong, case in point, Kyle Sharp.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

OK, i guess we have to agree to disagree on this but it's interesting when you look at the statistics: Bryan took one shot all game, the last one. So obviously, his role (at least in this game) was not as a shooter. The reason BE is shooting all these shots is simply the fact that he has the ball in his hands when there's no time left. I think the reason for this is our relatively young team, which turns tentative in the last seconds. I think some of the players are afraid to lose the game instead being pumped to win it. BE is the SR so this is another reason he ends up taking the shots, he has the confidence to. I asked Cam (shot 8-11 yesterday) about the last possession and he said he had the chance to take the shot but passed. Don't jump all over me, but do you think this is a possibility?

 

[Grizbacker1]

OK, i guess we have to agree to disagree on this but it's interesting when you look at the statistics: Bryan took one shot all game, the last one. So obviously, his role (at least in this game) was not as a shooter. The reason BE is shooting all these shots is simply the fact that he has the ball in his hands when there's no time left. I think the reason for this is our relatively young team, which turns tentative in the last seconds. I think some of the players are afraid to lose the game instead being pumped to win it. BE is the SR so this is another reason he ends up taking the shots, he has the confidence to. I asked Cam (shot 8-11 yesterday) about the last possession and he said he had the chance to take the shot but passed. Don't jump all over me, but do you think this is a possibility?

I have never jumped on you when you talk basketball, and not attack players personally. I think Cam was reluctant to shoot the last shot because he took an early shot in the preceding possession, that maybe given the circumstances was not the shot the Griz were looking for. I don't blame him for taking it though because he was kind of feeling it. If you have followed any of my game thread posts you will see I am a firm believer that you get the ball in the hands of the hot shooter. Examples : Hasquet and Martin in previous games come to mind. In fairness to Tinks, I also understand the game situation so you could really make an arguement both ways. The last play broke down and based on Tinks comments post game the Griz set up a play that would work regardless of whether Pacific came out in Man or Zone. Hasquet was open and BE missed him. That doesn't bother me half as much as the way the Griz came out flat against a Pacific team that was obviously better than their record. At this time of the season there is no excuse for that.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

OK, i guess we have to agree to disagree on this but it's interesting when you look at the statistics: Bryan took one shot all game, the last one. So obviously, his role (at least in this game) was not as a shooter. The reason BE is shooting all these shots is simply the fact that he has the ball in his hands when there's no time left. I think the reason for this is our relatively young team, which turns tentative in the last seconds. I think some of the players are afraid to lose the game instead being pumped to win it. BE is the SR so this is another reason he ends up taking the shots, he has the confidence to. I asked Cam (shot 8-11 yesterday) about the last possession and he said he had the chance to take the shot but passed. Don't jump all over me, but do you think this is a possibility?

I have never jumped on you when you talk basketball, and not attack players personally. I think Cam was reluctant to shoot the last shot because he took an early shot in the preceding possession, that maybe given the circumstances was not the shot the Griz were looking for. I don't blame him for taking it though because he was kind of feeling it. If you have followed any of my game thread posts you will see I am a firm believer that you get the ball in the hands of the hot shooter. Examples : Hasquet and Martin in previous games come to mind. In fairness to Tinks, I also understand the game situation so you could really make an arguement both ways. The last play broke down and based on Tinks comments post game the Griz set up a play that would work regardless of whether Pacific came out in Man or Zone. Hasquet was open and BE missed him. That doesn't bother me half as much as the way the Griz came out flat against a Pacific team that was obviously better than their record. At this time of the season there is no excuse for that.

Ah, i don't want to do this again, but it seems the Griz do have some trouble getting the ball in the hands of the hot shooter... if you go all the way back to the first WSU game, Martin didn't get the shot to end regulation.

More interestingly, how good will this team be next year? Seriously, Drew, the best player on the team last year, may be the third best player on his team for his senior year with the rise of Rundles and Hasquet. Still, the question has always been chemistry and playing to potential. Next year's rematch should be incredible and I hope we schedule some more really solid mid-majors to challenge the team and advance the program.

 

[Grizbacker1]

OK, i guess we have to agree to disagree on this but it's interesting when you look at the statistics: Bryan took one shot all game, the last one. So obviously, his role (at least in this game) was not as a shooter. The reason BE is shooting all these shots is simply the fact that he has the ball in his hands when there's no time left. I think the reason for this is our relatively young team, which turns tentative in the last seconds. I think some of the players are afraid to lose the game instead being pumped to win it. BE is the SR so this is another reason he ends up taking the shots, he has the confidence to. I asked Cam (shot 8-11 yesterday) about the last possession and he said he had the chance to take the shot but passed. Don't jump all over me, but do you think this is a possibility?

I have never jumped on you when you talk basketball, and not attack players personally. I think Cam was reluctant to shoot the last shot because he took an early shot in the preceding possession, that maybe given the circumstances was not the shot the Griz were looking for. I don't blame him for taking it though because he was kind of feeling it. If you have followed any of my game thread posts you will see I am a firm believer that you get the ball in the hands of the hot shooter. Examples : Hasquet and Martin in previous games come to mind. In fairness to Tinks, I also understand the game situation so you could really make an arguement both ways. The last play broke down and based on Tinks comments post game the Griz set up a play that would work regardless of whether Pacific came out in Man or Zone. Hasquet was open and BE missed him. That doesn't bother me half as much as the way the Griz came out flat against a Pacific team that was obviously better than their record. At this time of the season there is no excuse for that.

Ah, i don't want to do this again, but it seems the Griz do have some trouble getting the ball in the hands of the hot shooter... if you go all the way back to the first WSU game, Martin didn't get the shot to end regulation.

More interestingly, how good will this team be next year? Seriously, Drew, the best player on the team last year, may be the third best player on his team for his senior year with the rise of Rundles and Hasquet. Still, the question has always been chemistry and playing to potential. Next year's rematch should be incredible and I hope we schedule some more really solid mid-majors to challenge the team and advance the program.

I think Strait will still be a go to guy, but the emergence of Hasquet and Rundles will pay off in so many ways. When Cam or Bryan penetrate like they did against Pacific it opens things up for everyone else, especially Strait and Hasquet. Jordan stepped up big in the second half, despite a couple questionable calls against him. I think the Griz BB team has a bright future, But I would not be surprised to see them win the BSC Tourney again.

 

[Swillbury]

Would you two stop bitching back and forth. I know more than both of you combine!!!

 

[Evizzerate]

I have no stats or proof but have wondered all year whether we were having much success on inbounds plays after timeouts, To's and at the end of games. I've seen about half of the games and listened to most others and I can't honestly remember seeing many outstanding successful plays for an easy bucket whether it be a 3 off screens, a lob or an easy layup. I know that I am always conscious and paying attention to see what play to whom has been called after every time out and often it just ends up being a mess. Am I imagining this? Is there a stat anywhere?

 

[griz17]

I have no stats or proof but have wondered all year whether we were having much success on inbounds plays after timeouts, To's and at the end of games. I've seen about half of the games and listened to most others and I can't honestly remember seeing many outstanding successful plays for an easy bucket whether it be a 3 off screens, a lob or an easy layup. I know that I am always conscious and paying attention to see what play to whom has been called after every time out and often it just ends up being a mess. Am I imagining this? Is there a stat anywhere?

We absolutely are not getting anything on inbounds plays after timeouts, nor are we getting anything done at crunch time. This is where we miss Larry the most. How many times in the past 2 years did you see the Griz come out after a TO and get A BUNNY?

I can forgive Tinks for his lack of creativity on the inbounds plays, its hard being compared to Larry - who seemed to really have a knack for coming up with stuff there. I am frustrated with this year's Grizzlies inability to come up with a quality plan in the final seconds -- yesterday was a joke ... again.

I understand that "the play" isn't always going to work, but as a coach, you need to make sure the guy with the ball when the time runs out can at least create SOMETHING (Cam or Jordan in this case). I felt bad for Ellis - you could tell he didn't want the ball. I would have much rather seen Martin cast off from 22 ft.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

I have no stats or proof but have wondered all year whether we were having much success on inbounds plays after timeouts, To's and at the end of games. I've seen about half of the games and listened to most others and I can't honestly remember seeing many outstanding successful plays for an easy bucket whether it be a 3 off screens, a lob or an easy layup. I know that I am always conscious and paying attention to see what play to whom has been called after every time out and often it just ends up being a mess. Am I imagining this? Is there a stat anywhere?

I really would like to see them go to that wheel/alley oop play more coming out of TOs. LK would run that a ton to get momentum back and I remember Tinks running it once in an exhibition game. I'm not saying it would've been a good play for the end of a game but it was always a good play to ignite the crowd and get the team rolling again.

 

[Evizzerate]

I wish somebody with more BB knowledge then myself could explain it to me.
Is it crappy plays being called , poor execution , lack of practice, choking or is it just not a part of our game? An inability to pick up a couple of cheap buckets on inbounds plays every game can't always be attributable to the opponents stifling defense.

 

[Evizzerate]

I loved "the wheel " That's exactly what I'm taliking about. I cant tell you how I keep expecting to see something like that every time out, especially with the way Mayes has been playing.

 

[mtgriz]

Interesting side note: As I watched the game, I recognized one of the officials from somewhere...but just couldn't place him. After I got home today I checked the gamebook and saw one of the officials was Bill Vinovich, and it immediately came to me. He is an NFL official, a referee in fact, so he gets lots of face time on TV on Sundays in the fall.

He's the official that rung up the technical on Dlouhy for complaining about a call and also called a double technical later for a post whistle scuffle between two players.

http://www.football-refs.com/bill-vinovich.php

 

[Grizbacker1]

Interesting side note: As I watched the game, I recognized one of the officials from somewhere...but just couldn't place him. After I got home today I checked the gamebook and saw one of the officials was Bill Vinovich, and it immediately came to me. He is an NFL official, a referee in fact, so he gets lots of face time on TV on Sundays in the fall.

He's the official that rung up the technical on Dlouhy for complaining about a call and also called a double technical later for a post whistle scuffle between two players.

http://www.football-refs.com/bill-vinovich.php

I thought Dlouhy had the T coming. I am not sure about the double T.

 

[BWahlberg]

Interesting side note: As I watched the game, I recognized one of the officials from somewhere...but just couldn't place him. After I got home today I checked the gamebook and saw one of the officials was Bill Vinovich, and it immediately came to me. He is an NFL official, a referee in fact, so he gets lots of face time on TV on Sundays in the fall.

He's the official that rung up the technical on Dlouhy for complaining about a call and also called a double technical later for a post whistle scuffle between two players.

http://www.football-refs.com/bill-vinovich.php

I thought Dlouhy had the T coming. I am not sure about the double T.

Dlouhy did have the T coming, the double T was questionable, Chaves got shoved hard in the back, then turned around and said something (presumably not nice) and they both got T'd up.

 

[#15 Fan]

I didn't get a chance to make it to the game or listen to it on the radio. How was the "white out" they had planned? And, how was the crowd overall? I was hoping that with this game being the "bracketbuster" and Pacific being a fairly big name from a few years ago, a win over Pacific would give the Griz the much-needed push into the final games before the conference tourney.