Griz OL and DL size vs Cat OL & DL

[bpcats]

I have been impressed with the improvement with the o-line play of the Griz the last two years. They have improved tremendously with a lot of their pass blocking etc. It should be a great matchup vs what I think may be one the best defensive lines MSU has kicked out in the last few year (at least in terms of generating pass rush). Not sure how Daly will hold up as teams run at him at the DE position. But Preston Gales backs him up and if he hadn't got hurt last year may have been the starter coming into this year.

As far as the o-line for MSU goes...I think that what we will be doing on offense vs last years version will help us out a lot since we won't be asking our inexperienced and smaller o-line to plow over somebody with a power rush attack. Getting back O. Davis back is huge in my opinion, because him and freshman S. Johnson actually have the speed to get to the outside and create something out of nothing (Griz may want to forget about that).


Bobcats will be interesting to watch to this year because everything hinges on the development of that young o-line....and kicker...(we really miss Cunningham as he won a lot of games for us). We are loaded with talent everywhere else.

All I know that the FCS champs usually have the best combination of offensive and defensive lines and that combination will probably determine the Big Sky champ too.

 

[Growler1]

I have been impressed with the improvement with the o-line play of the Griz the last two years. They have improved tremendously with a lot of their pass blocking etc. It should be a great matchup vs what I think may be one the best defensive lines MSU has kicked out in the last few year (at least in terms of generating pass rush). Not sure how Daly will hold up as teams run at him at the DE position. But Preston Gales backs him up and if he hadn't got hurt last year may have been the starter coming into this year.

As far as the o-line for MSU goes...I think that what we will be doing on offense vs last years version will help us out a lot since we won't be asking our inexperienced and smaller o-line to plow over somebody with a power rush attack. Getting back O. Davis back is huge in my opinion, because him and freshman S. Johnson actually have the speed to get to the outside and create something out of nothing (Griz may want to forget about that).


Bobcats will be interesting to watch to this year because everything hinges on the development of that young o-line....and kicker...(we really miss Cunningham as he won a lot of games for us). We are loaded with talent everywhere else.

All I know that the FCS champs usually have the best combination of offensive and defensive lines and that combination will probably determine the Big Sky champ too.

Yeah yeah, loaded as usual, only to get man-handled by legitimate FCS powerhouses. You Cat fans can continue to have wet dreams, but the reality is that you never have as good of talent as you think you have, nor as the real powerhouse FCS teams have.

 

[poorgriz]

Well good thing the coaches understand that strength, smarts, and technique are way, way more important than size on the O line. We could go 315, 303, 301, 300, and 300 across the line with players on the roster today. The offense we're going to run this year fits much better with faster, lighter linemen.

I am very curious to see if you guys are still going to run the spread offense with that huge line, or switch to more of a power run game...

 

[PlayerRep]

Well good thing the coaches understand that strength, smarts, and technique are way, way more important than size on the O line. We could go 315, 303, 301, 300, and 300 across the line with players on the roster today. The offense we're going to run this year fits much better with faster, lighter linemen.

I am very curious to see if you guys are still going to run the spread offense with that huge line, or switch to more of a power run game...

UM's line is lighter, if not considerably lighter, than it was last year.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Well good thing the coaches understand that strength, smarts, and technique are way, way more important than size on the O line. We could go 315, 303, 301, 300, and 300 across the line with players on the roster today. The offense we're going to run this year fits much better with faster, lighter linemen.

Talk about putting on a positive cloaking-device in order to make oneself feel good.

I'd advise one thing though: the boobscats should never, ever practise live drill with their offense against their defense. All that accomplishes is the carting the offensive linemen off the field on stretchers. Time after time until you got what you got now. Hence, the feel-good positive cloak (around and round in circles, no less).

Of course, considering just how well that boobscat defensive line performed last November 19th, what does that tell ya to begin with? And now they're trying to sugar-coat a bunch of light-weight dregs? Wish ya luck, D-U-D-E.

 

[RobGriz]

After a certain size I believe that quickness becomes more important than just bulk. Give me a 275 pounder with quickness and strength over the 300 pound blob anyday. Just way more to this then raw weight.

well unless maybe I run a 3-4 with a huge guy in the middle on D.

Yes, it's all relative, but good quickness and strenth at 300 usually trumps good quickness and strength at 275. Over the course of a game, that size takes its toll.

This. And given the number of double teams the 1-tech usually has to absorb, weighing 300 pounds can be kinda handy.

 

[Growler1]

After a certain size I believe that quickness becomes more important than just bulk. Give me a 275 pounder with quickness and strength over the 300 pound blob anyday. Just way more to this then raw weight.

well unless maybe I run a 3-4 with a huge guy in the middle on D.

Yes, it's all relative, but good quickness and strenth at 300 usually trumps good quickness and strength at 275. Over the course of a game, that size takes its toll.

This. And given the number of double teams the 1-tech usually has to absorb, weighing 300 pounds can be kinda handy.

If these 300 lb.+ linemen were quick, they would be playing for FBS teams, not for FCS teams.

 

[AZGrizFan]

After a certain size I believe that quickness becomes more important than just bulk. Give me a 275 pounder with quickness and strength over the 300 pound blob anyday. Just way more to this then raw weight.

well unless maybe I run a 3-4 with a huge guy in the middle on D.

Yes, it's all relative, but good quickness and strenth at 300 usually trumps good quickness and strength at 275. Over the course of a game, that size takes its toll.

This. And given the number of double teams the 1-tech usually has to absorb, weighing 300 pounds can be kinda handy.

If these 300 lb.+ linemen were quick, they would be playing for FBS teams, not for FCS teams.

Oh Christ, here we go again.

Growler, how in the world do we EVER get anybody into the NFL? Seriously?

 

[Growler1]

Yes, it's all relative, but good quickness and strenth at 300 usually trumps good quickness and strength at 275. Over the course of a game, that size takes its toll.

This. And given the number of double teams the 1-tech usually has to absorb, weighing 300 pounds can be kinda handy.

If these 300 lb.+ linemen were quick, they would be playing for FBS teams, not for FCS teams.

Oh Christ, here we go again.

Growler, how in the world do we EVER get anybody into the NFL? Seriously?

We don't. Outside of Lurch, what Montana O-Lineman has been a starter in the NFL in the past 20 years? A few make the roster as back-ups, and a few more make the practice squad.

 

[go96griz]

This. And given the number of double teams the 1-tech usually has to absorb, weighing 300 pounds can be kinda handy.

If these 300 lb.+ linemen were quick, they would be playing for FBS teams, not for FCS teams.

Oh Christ, here we go again.

Growler, how in the world do we EVER get anybody into the NFL? Seriously?

We don't. Outside of Lurch, what Montana O-Lineman has been a starter in the NFL in the past 20 years? A few make the roster as back-ups, and a few more make the practice squad.

Pretty sure Procter started more than 10 games in his career.

 

[PlayerRep]

If these 300 lb.+ linemen were quick, they would be playing for FBS teams, not for FCS teams.

Oh Christ, here we go again.

Growler, how in the world do we EVER get anybody into the NFL? Seriously?

We don't. Outside of Lurch, what Montana O-Lineman has been a starter in the NFL in the past 20 years? A few make the roster as back-ups, and a few more make the practice squad.

Pretty sure Procter started more than 10 games in his career.

The o-lineman from Billings who now lives south of Missoula. Played many years. Blanking on his name.

 

[PolsonGrizFan]

This is an interesting thread topic. Thought I'd chime in since I visited in person. I went to 2-cat scrimmages this year and the most glaring weakness was their size. Walking around the players it was obvious there are no "big" guys. The only way for them to make up for this weakness is speed as mentioned in previous posts.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Scrafford, Gragg, Proctor come to mind

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[RobGriz]

This. And given the number of double teams the 1-tech usually has to absorb, weighing 300 pounds can be kinda handy.

If these 300 lb.+ linemen were quick, they would be playing for FBS teams, not for FCS teams.

Oh Christ, here we go again.

Growler, how in the world do we EVER get anybody into the NFL? Seriously?

We don't. Outside of Lurch, what Montana O-Lineman has been a starter in the NFL in the past 20 years? A few make the roster as back-ups, and a few more make the practice squad.

I was talking about D-linemen. If you knew anything about football the "1-technique" would have been a giveaway.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You can count to one?

You are too smart to be in this thread now why dont you 5 technique around the end.......its hammer time

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[poorgriz]

So... I took a glance at the sizes of the starting O linemen for both NDSU and SHSU, clearly the two best teams in FCS last year and the preseason favorites to win in all in 2012. NDSU averages 292 up front, and SHSU averages 288. Please someone go tell them they aren't going to be any good because they're undersized... :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

We don't. Outside of Lurch, what Montana O-Lineman has been a starter in the NFL in the past 20 years? A few make the roster as back-ups, and a few more make the practice squad.

OK. So now they have to be STARTERS to actually be considered "in the NFL". :lol: :lol: :lol:

You sound like jcu now....and that's not a good thing.

 

[RobGriz]

So... I took a glance at the sizes of the starting O linemen for both NDSU and SHSU, clearly the two best teams in FCS last year and the preseason favorites to win in all in 2012. NDSU averages 292 up front, and SHSU averages 288. Please someone go tell them they aren't going to be any good because they're undersized... :lol:

Seriously not trying to argue with you but I think you may be a little off at least as far as NDSU is concerned:

77 Turner OT 6'6" 292
78 Cornick OT 6'6" 309
63 Richard OG 6'3" 314
68 Beckius OG 6'4" 298
73 Lund OC 6'2" 302

Which would make it a 303 average. Of note is the fact that they also have 2 redshirt freshmen over 300 and 1 true freshmen over 300 so they seem to be at least recruiting for size.

 

[Grizzoola]

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog." --Anonymous. :mrgreen:

 

[poorgriz]

So... I took a glance at the sizes of the starting O linemen for both NDSU and SHSU, clearly the two best teams in FCS last year and the preseason favorites to win in all in 2012. NDSU averages 292 up front, and SHSU averages 288. Please someone go tell them they aren't going to be any good because they're undersized... :lol:

Seriously not trying to argue with you but I think you may be a little off at least as far as NDSU is concerned:

77 Turner OT 6'6" 292
78 Cornick OT 6'6" 309
63 Richard OG 6'3" 314
68 Beckius OG 6'4" 298
73 Lund OC 6'2" 302

Which would make it a 303 average. Of note is the fact that they also have 2 redshirt freshmen over 300 and 1 true freshmen over 300 so they seem to be at least recruiting for size.

The Two Deep I was looking at is on their website, and was from August 21. Maybe it's been updated, I don't know. This is what I see on their site with the updated roster. Maybe a Bison fan can chime in on this one:

LT Billy Turner 300
LG Josh Colville 279
C Joe Lund 303
RG Tyler Gimmestad 298
RT Joe Haeg 280