Griz @ NAU

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

swift--hurt? dnp last two games.

There hasn't been any news of it, i don't believe, so maybe he's just sliding out of the rotation.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Cats won a tough one in Greely, 58-57. Ugly game, but a win!

When yo win a road game, there is no such thing as ugly. You guys have your work cut out for you Dta, but 3 nice wins in a row is a nice surprise. See, that UM grooming Huse got paid off. :thumb:

It was an ugly game, but you're right- a road win is big. Brad got his early 'grooming' under Durham, had a great career as HC at Jamestown, spent some time in grizland, but now is back where he belongs! Cats are coming back!!

I think he got better grooming under LK, LK is now in the NBA, Durham was unceremoniously shown the door and a Griz assistant was hired rebuild the program of Durham's. I am happy for Brad and he will do a great job there, but I wish Durham was still there. I wouldn't get to comfy with Huse, he will get hired away from there in 2-3 years.

 

[Grizbacker1]

swift--hurt? dnp last two games.

I think it just came down to productivity, other guys are outplaying him right now.

 

[Mslacat]

Congrats Griz folk. Pretty impressive win!!

We have you to thank, Tinks saw your prediction on BN and cut and pasted it to his laptop as a screensaver. Now he has a virus though :shocked:

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On Paper Northern Colorado looks to be like the best bet in the Big Sky for a road win, despite their record, though, N. Colorado has rolled over for no one! I saw their home game vrs Weber and vrs EWU both on Altitude they are not a push over. Yes I think we are very capable of getting a road win tonight, but it will be a very tough game. I really do not see a blow out. I think we will need to rely on our depth, much like ISU I think N. Colorado does not have much depth past their firs 6.

I also think the Griz will have their handful this Saturday when they play N. Colorado after the grueling NAU trip into Greeley!

I hardly think it is bulliten board worthy. Look the trip into NAU is one of the most grueling trips any basketball team ever has to take. Ask any player they will tell you it is like running an army obsticle course before the game. Then you have to play the game. Winning in Flagstaff is no easy feat only to be compounded when they fiield a good team. It is a great win for the Griz. I only hope the cats have enough legs underthem Saturday.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Congrats Griz folk. Pretty impressive win!!

We have you to thank, Tinks saw your prediction on BN and cut and pasted it to his laptop as a screensaver. Now he has a virus though :shocked:

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On Paper Northern Colorado looks to be like the best bet in the Big Sky for a road win, despite their record, though, N. Colorado has rolled over for no one! I saw their home game vrs Weber and vrs EWU both on Altitude they are not a push over. Yes I think we are very capable of getting a road win tonight, but it will be a very tough game. I really do not see a blow out. I think we will need to rely on our depth, much like ISU I think N. Colorado does not have much depth past their firs 6.

I also think the Griz will have their handful this Saturday when they play N. Colorado after the grueling NAU trip into Greeley![/quote]

I hardly think it is bulliten board worthy. Look the trip into NAU is one of the most grueling trips any basketball team ever has to take. Ask any player they will tell you it is like running an army obsticle course before the game. Then you have to play the game. Winning in Flagstaff is no easy feat only to be compounded when they fiield a good team. It is a great win for the Griz. I only hope the cats have enough legs underthem Saturday.

Mslacat,

I can't believe you thought I was serious. Tinks had a gameplan and the Griz executed it. nice win for the cats, but lack of depth could be costly at NAU, Tinks played a lof of guys tonight to keep pressure on perimeter.

 

[Seattle Griz Fan]

I was at the game tonight in Flagstaff, along with about 25 other Griz fans.

The difference in the game was Ellis. He controlled the tempo during crunch time, and ran the offense with patience to get the ball into the hands of the guys who needed to get it.

I was very impressed with Strait and Hasquet. Bot kids played their arses off. But, Ellis was the difference by refusing to allow the Lumberjacks to get the Griz offense rattled as the game came to a close. Then, he steps up and makes 4 crucial foul shots.

It is amazing to me that he does not start. What is Wayne's facination with Martin? That guy is a Frontier calibre player, at best. He may be small, but he sure is slow.

Ellis and Rundles should be the starting guards.

Great effort by the Griz in a tough place to win. I was impressed by their poise. They never seemed to panic.

Another mystery is why Chavez does not get more minutes. He nailed the key 3-pointer in the game. His points/minute ratio had to be the best on the team. He should get more PT. Play Martin less, play Chavez more.

 

[twentythreeOh4]

It is amazing to me that he does not start. What is Wayne's facination with Martin? That guy is a Frontier calibre player, at best. He may be small, but he sure is slow.

Classic Turd Slinger all the way.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

I was at the game tonight in Flagstaff, along with about 25 other Griz fans.

The difference in the game was Ellis. He controlled the tempo during crunch time, and ran the offense with patience to get the ball into the hands of the guys who needed to get it.

I was very impressed with Strait and Hasquet. Bot kids played their arses off. But, Ellis was the difference by refusing to allow the Lumberjacks to get the Griz offense rattled as the game came to a close. Then, he steps up and makes 4 crucial foul shots.

It is amazing to me that he does not start. What is Wayne's facination with Martin? That guy is a Frontier calibre player, at best. He may be small, but he sure is slow.

Ellis and Rundles should be the starting guards.

Great effort by the Griz in a tough place to win. I was impressed by their poise. They never seemed to panic.

Another mystery is why Chavez does not get more minutes. He nailed the key 3-pointer in the game. His points/minute ratio had to be the best on the team. He should get more PT. Play Martin less, play Chavez more.

I am very impressed and think it's great to hear BE was the factor. I hate listening to these games because you never get a real feel for it. Even watching on TV isn't the same. I love to hear that BE is really being a leader, Griz need this bad. If he can pass what SGF says happened in this game along to Cam that would be spectacular.

I'm not sure what should, if anything, be done with the guard position. We have two very very solid wins playing with about the same rotation so it looks like you stay with the same. I mean, Martin did almost carry the Griz to the WSU victory. He scored 28 points for chrissakes, not sure how you guys can ride him like this when his big game led to a win that may have turned this season around.

As far as Chavy goes, i say keep the minutes about the same. Keep him hungry. He always comes off the bench and plays like his hair is on fire. Tinks just unleashes him when needs be and it gets everyone going, don't want him to settle in and have productivity go down. Keep the big guy on his toes.

Also, will be very interesting to see if Big Dave starts working his way into the rotation.

 

[griz17]

I was at the game tonight in Flagstaff, along with about 25 other Griz fans.

The difference in the game was Ellis. He controlled the tempo during crunch time, and ran the offense with patience to get the ball into the hands of the guys who needed to get it.

I was very impressed with Strait and Hasquet. Bot kids played their arses off. But, Ellis was the difference by refusing to allow the Lumberjacks to get the Griz offense rattled as the game came to a close. Then, he steps up and makes 4 crucial foul shots.

It is amazing to me that he does not start. What is Wayne's facination with Martin? That guy is a Frontier calibre player, at best. He may be small, but he sure is slow.

Ellis and Rundles should be the starting guards.

Great effort by the Griz in a tough place to win. I was impressed by their poise. They never seemed to panic.

Another mystery is why Chavez does not get more minutes. He nailed the key 3-pointer in the game. His points/minute ratio had to be the best on the team. He should get more PT. Play Martin less, play Chavez more.

I think there has been nights to make arguments for BE, Cam, and Martin all to be the "one who should be starting".

It's nice to have Ellis in there to handle the ball and shoot FT's down the stretch. It's nice to have him pick somebody's pocket and go to the other end for a bunny. I don't like to watch him against a zone. It kills me to watch him drive through the lane, with no intention shoot.

Martin can look bad on nights when his shot isn't falling, but when he's on, this team goes to a whole new level. The defense spends energy guarding him out to 25 feet and the inside really opens up. The defense looks worried when he's on the floor. He's not as quick as Ellis, but I wouldn't say his defense is much worse. He's an awesome weapon against the zone - great shooter, quick passer. Tinks needs to cut him loose: let him shoot 5-6 threes before we determine wether or not he's having an off night.

I think Rundles does everything pretty well. He seems to have more success when teamed up with Martin. Martin's presence seems to leave Cam a little more room to operate.

I like the way Tinkle is mixing these guys around right now. I think people that say Martin shouldn't start are wrong considering the way he has been playing. Ellis is getting plenty of minutes and he's had his bad games too. A bad game for Matt usually involves missing a bunch of threes, and I think that sticks out more than when BE has 3 TO's, 1 assist, and zero pts in 13 minutes. I would take 0-5 from the 3pt line over that line any day.

I think it is a matter of having the right guy on the floor at the right time and for the most part, it seems like Tinks has been doing that.

 

[Ballhog]

The truth is the Griz are loaded. You could almost platoon two
squads. Its tough to be handed this in transition but I don't
think that the coachs have done a great job handling the
situation. Some observers think that Mayes and Chavez should replace Dilouey and Hasket. Ellis was benched because he spoke
freely of his concerns. I hope it all works out. We can win the tournament again.

 

[Grizbacker1]

The truth is the Griz are loaded. You could almost platoon two
squads. Its tough to be handed this in transition but I don't
think that the coachs have done a great job handling the
situation. Some observers think that Mayes and Chavez should replace Dilouey and Hasket. Ellis was benched because he spoke
freely of his concerns. I hope it all works out. We can win the tournament again.

That is why they are observers. It is so easy from the bleachers to be a great coach. The platoon system has never worked effectively in basketball by the way.

 

[Seattle Griz Fan]

It is amazing to me that he does not start. What is Wayne's facination with Martin? That guy is a Frontier calibre player, at best. He may be small, but he sure is slow.

Classic Turd Slinger all the way.

Reality has always been a tough one for you, twinny-pee

 

[Seattle Griz Fan]

I was at the game tonight in Flagstaff, along with about 25 other Griz fans.

The difference in the game was Ellis. He controlled the tempo during crunch time, and ran the offense with patience to get the ball into the hands of the guys who needed to get it.

I was very impressed with Strait and Hasquet. Bot kids played their arses off. But, Ellis was the difference by refusing to allow the Lumberjacks to get the Griz offense rattled as the game came to a close. Then, he steps up and makes 4 crucial foul shots.

It is amazing to me that he does not start. What is Wayne's facination with Martin? That guy is a Frontier calibre player, at best. He may be small, but he sure is slow.

Ellis and Rundles should be the starting guards.

Great effort by the Griz in a tough place to win. I was impressed by their poise. They never seemed to panic.

Another mystery is why Chavez does not get more minutes. He nailed the key 3-pointer in the game. His points/minute ratio had to be the best on the team. He should get more PT. Play Martin less, play Chavez more.

I am very impressed and think it's great to hear BE was the factor. I hate listening to these games because you never get a real feel for it. Even watching on TV isn't the same. I love to hear that BE is really being a leader, Griz need this bad. If he can pass what SGF says happened in this game along to Cam that would be spectacular.

I'm not sure what should, if anything, be done with the guard position. We have two very very solid wins playing with about the same rotation so it looks like you stay with the same. I mean, Martin did almost carry the Griz to the WSU victory. He scored 28 points for chrissakes, not sure how you guys can ride him like this when his big game led to a win that may have turned this season around.

As far as Chavy goes, i say keep the minutes about the same. Keep him hungry. He always comes off the bench and plays like his hair is on fire. Tinks just unleashes him when needs be and it gets everyone going, don't want him to settle in and have productivity go down. Keep the big guy on his toes.

Also, will be very interesting to see if Big Dave starts working his way into the rotation.

Look, I am not saying Martin can't score. But, he can not create a shot, has no shot when pressured, and must be wide open to shoot well. I judge a player by more than points. Martin is slow, plays tentatively, and can not play defense. I have watched him for 3 years and nothing changes. Ellis and Rundles are the two best guards on this team.

 

[Zirg]

While you make some valid points, you've watched 3 games in 3 years. I've seen Martin play about 45 times. I saw him score 28 last week, which is more than any Griz has this year, so I think I (and almost every other poster here) know his abilities better than a once-a-year watcher. Guys look good one game, then not so much in the next. Even Strait had a terrible couple of games. Had you seen one of those games, you'd probably say he needs to be benched too.

Just last week I said the same thing about Martin:if he's not scoring, he's detrimental. Well he has been red-hot especially EARLY in games. 4-4 and 10 points in the first 3 minutes against ISU, then 28 points against Weber earns you a few more starts. Points aren't everyting,but he has the potential to score a lot when he's on.

Rundles has been spectacular some games, and then does nothing (ISU game) in others-a typical freshmen.

Martin, Ellis and Rundles is a good trio of guards, who all bring something different to the court. I agree with Griz17 that Tinks has got a great feel for them now, and is utilizing all 3 in the right doses. You need to watch more than 1 game to understand what all 3 bring to the court fully.

 

[AtHomeInTheDahlbergDen]

Martin, Ellis and Rundles is a good trio of guards, who all bring something different to the court. I agree with Griz17 that Tinks has got a great feel for them now, and is utilizing all 3 in the right doses. You need to watch more than 1 game to understand what all 3 bring to the court fully.

Exactly. I agree that BE and Cam are the best guards on the team but when he's hot, Martin brings a lot to the table. When he's not, it's kind of scary.

 

[mtgrizrule]

While you make some valid points, you've watched 3 games in 3 years. I've seen Martin play about 45 times. I saw him score 28 last week, which is more than any Griz has this year, so I think I (and almost every other poster here) know his abilities better than a once-a-year watcher. Guys look good one game, then not so much in the next. Even Strait had a terrible couple of games. Had you seen one of those games, you'd probably say he needs to be benched too.

Just last week I said the same thing about Martin:if he's not scoring, he's detrimental. Well he has been red-hot especially EARLY in games. 4-4 and 10 points in the first 3 minutes against ISU, then 28 points against Weber earns you a few more starts. Points aren't everyting,but he has the potential to score a lot when he's on.

Rundles has been spectacular some games, and then does nothing (ISU game) in others-a typical freshmen.

Martin, Ellis and Rundles is a good trio of guards, who all bring something different to the court. I agree with Griz17 that Tinks has got a great feel for them now, and is utilizing all 3 in the right doses. You need to watch more than 1 game to understand what all 3 bring to the court fully.

I too will and have defend Martin and Hasquet. Rather Martin is on or off, he brings a "SWAGGER" to this team that every team needs. Martin is always confident in himself and his team mates. More often than not that is a positive. Matt is hard on himself because of his confidence, yet that confidence never sways. I am fortunate in getting to know every griz player the past 3 years. Not extensively, but enough to get an honest opinion of each. It is hard for me to criticize any of them, thanks to each of them being such great persons, on and off the court.

With that said, I can honestly say Martin is very personable, friendly, appeciative, and someone to be proud of away from the court. 2 years ago, Matt's FR year, my nephews got to meet all the GRIZ. At the time, my nephews were 6 and 8 years old, and having lost their father much too early in their lifes. Matt Martin took 5 minutes of his time after the game, just being himself. Of all the GRIZ they met, Matt has positively impacted each for life. Matt to date, was and is the 1st athlete they look up to. Matt gave my nephews hope and inspiration that no other stranger has ever given either. Regardless of what Matt does on the court. Myself, friends and family will always be a Matt Martin fan. IMHO, regardless if GRIZ athletes know it or believe it or not, each one can be looked up to by some young kid.

For my nephews, Matt Martin was the 1 GRIZ they will never forget and they connected with. After meeting Matt, they began to wonder what kind of things it took to become someone. I had my uncle talk with them, explained to them Matt got there by getting good grades, worked hard in things he believed in, and respected his parents. That was all it took, since then they are getting high grades, respecting their elders, and have a brighter future. Had it not been for Matt's time and being who he is God only knows how much longer it would have been before someone outside of family would have impacted them like that. FWIW, the other 2 that really impacted them were Kamaar and LK. Very few people in life that kind of personna.

On the court he brings that personna that every opponent always fears or has on their mind. Quicks or not, Martin has a lion's heart and every opponent knows what Martin is capable of when he is ON. I have viewed 100's of games in Dahlberg. I can honestly say Martin brought an electricity to the place few and far between. I can recall 3 other occasions over the last 5 years that came close. (1) LG game against LA TECH (2) Men GRIZ/Stanford game (3) Honoring the Monte. Each of those games were TEAM or special occasions. Martin's electricity was that of a one man gang, which I hope Dahlberg gets to witness more often. One had to be there to explain or realize it, but that night was electric thanks to Martin. If all goes well, that is the performance that will be remembered as turning the GRIZ season around.

Sorry for the long post, but had to say this. Also had to let others know the kind of person Martin is off the court. Thank you Matt for what you bring the GRIZnation, well this GRIZ fan, on and off the court. This GRIZ fan will always respect and appreciate Martin's attributes on and off the court!!! Thank you Matt!!! :thumb:

 

[mtgrizrule]

Also to add, because of Matt Martin, my oldest nephew aspires to play for the GRIZ one day. However, his passion is football more than basketball (afterall this is a football state). He has told me countless times the only team he wants to play for is the GRIZ. Only time will tell if he does it or not, but nobody should take aspirations away. At the very worse he will always strive to be the best he can be, thanks to Matt Martin. Amazing how simple something like that plays out.

 

[Zirg]

mtgrizrule-Nice personal insight about Matt. I love hearing that our Griz are good guys off the court. HOWEVER: I'm glad Kamarr Davis was a good influence on your kid, but he had an ugly incident recenty that has tarnished his reputation as a quality person.

You are right, Martin has a swagger, but that is also what gets him in trouble. He tries to do too much sometimes. He use to bring the ball down the court and put up for an NBA 3-pointer before anyone else on the team touched the ball. That drew the ire of LK, who would yank him right away when he'd miss. He hasn't done that in a long time, so he's learned. You can have swagger, but you gotta be able to harness some self-control too.

His over-all game has improved. He plays within himself. He has a 2 assists/turn ratio which is excellent. His defense has been pass-able too. I've watched that specifically the last 2 home games (after somewhat ripping him), and he's isn't getting burned or taken advantage of as much as he use to. He might not get the steals that Ellis does, and isn't very quick but he stays on his man pretty good. Better than even I have given him credit for. Abdul-Ahad for ISU absolutely abused Rundles in that game. I haven't seen any team abuse Martin in a while. His defense will never stand-out, but he's been able to out-score his guy pretty consistantly.

Rundles also has the swagger going for him big-time, even moreso than Martin. I'd say Rundles has the most swagger of any Griz since maybe Gary Kane. He was so pissed when someone didn't pass it to him when he was wide-open vs. MSU and he was 3-4 from 3-land in that game. He's shooting 47% from 3-land on the year. He needs to shoot more of those, but I digress. I like guys to have swagger and want the ball and to shoot freely IF they are hot. Even the best players are not hot every game. Martin used to have problems identifying when this one and in the ISU, he just kept chucking even when he was missing every shot (badly). He started 4-4, then went 1-8 the rest of the game. He will keep shooting even if he's cold and this is where the coach needs to get him out. We do have options.

Ellis doesn't have overt swagger, but plays with a lot of confidence. It showed in his steals off Durham last year and how scared Durham was of Ellis this year. It showed in his late shots against Weber. It showed in his apparent verbal outburst recently.

All 3 guys wanna play more and that is good, but they gotta buy into what is best for the team. We got a lot of capable players on this team, unlike teams like Idaho State, that are gonna live and die by the same 5 guys every game. Some nights you'll shine, some nights you'll sit. I think we are to where all 3 are getting their chance and providing something unique for Tinkle to utilize and he's doing a great job with them.

 

[mtgrizrule]

mtgrizrule-Nice personal insight about Matt. I love hearing that our Griz are good guys off the court. HOWEVER: I'm glad Kamarr Davis was a good influence on your kid, but he had an ugly incident recenty that has tarnished his reputation as a quality person.

You are right, Martin has a swagger, but that is also what gets him in trouble. He tries to do too much sometimes. He use to bring the ball down the court and put up for an NBA 3-pointer before anyone else on the team touched the ball. That drew the ire of LK, who would yank him right away when he'd miss. He hasn't done that in a long time, so he's learned. You can have swagger, but you gotta be able to harness some self-control too.

His over-all game has improved. He plays within himself. He has a 2 assists/turn ratio which is excellent. His defense has been pass-able too. I've watched that specifically the last 2 home games (after somewhat ripping him), and he's isn't getting burned or taken advantage of as much as he use to. He might not get the steals that Ellis does, and isn't very quick but he stays on his man pretty good. Better than even I have given him credit for. Abdul-Ahad for ISU absolutely abused Rundles in that game. I haven't seen any team abuse Martin in a while. His defense will never stand-out, but he's been able to out-score his guy pretty consistantly.

Rundles also has the swagger going for him big-time, even moreso than Martin. I'd say Rundles has the most swagger of any Griz since maybe Gary Kane. He was so pissed when someone didn't pass it to him when he was wide-open vs. MSU and he was 3-4 from 3-land in that game. He's shooting 47% from 3-land on the year. He needs to shoot more of those, but I digress. I like guys to have swagger and want the ball and to shoot freely IF they are hot. Even the best players are not hot every game. Martin used to have problems identifying when this one and in the ISU, he just kept chucking even when he was missing every shot (badly). He started 4-4, then went 1-8 the rest of the game. He will keep shooting even if he's cold and this is where the coach needs to get him out. We do have options.

Ellis doesn't have overt swagger, but plays with a lot of confidence. It showed in his steals off Durham last year and how scared Durham was of Ellis this year. It showed in his late shots against Weber. It showed in his apparent verbal outburst recently.

All 3 guys wanna play more and that is good, but they gotta buy into what is best for the team. We got a lot of capable players on this team, unlike teams like Idaho State, that are gonna live and die by the same 5 guys every game. Some nights you'll shine, some nights you'll sit. I think we are to where all 3 are getting their chance and providing something unique for Tinkle to utilize and he's doing a great job with them.

Well said, and it looks like Tinkle of late has been going with whichever 2 guards are being most effecient. The last few games Martin and Ellis have done better than Rundles. A few games before Rundles was the better of the 3 and getting more of the minutes. No matter who is out there, it nice to see our Guard play improve as much as it has this year. GO GRIZ!!!!!!

 

[Seattle Griz Fan]

While you make some valid points, you've watched 3 games in 3 years. I've seen Martin play about 45 times. I saw him score 28 last week, which is more than any Griz has this year, so I think I (and almost every other poster here) know his abilities better than a once-a-year watcher. Guys look good one game, then not so much in the next. Even Strait had a terrible couple of games. Had you seen one of those games, you'd probably say he needs to be benched too.

Just last week I said the same thing about Martin:if he's not scoring, he's detrimental. Well he has been red-hot especially EARLY in games. 4-4 and 10 points in the first 3 minutes against ISU, then 28 points against Weber earns you a few more starts. Points aren't everyting,but he has the potential to score a lot when he's on.

Rundles has been spectacular some games, and then does nothing (ISU game) in others-a typical freshmen.

Martin, Ellis and Rundles is a good trio of guards, who all bring something different to the court. I agree with Griz17 that Tinks has got a great feel for them now, and is utilizing all 3 in the right doses. You need to watch more than 1 game to understand what all 3 bring to the court fully.

How do you know how many games I have seen the past three years? You are short about 15 games. If you don't have that information, don't make incorrect statements.

My opinions about Martin are based upon seeing him many times. I think I know a lot more about BB than 95% of the posters on here. I have played it, coached it, and officiated it. Matt Martin might be a great kid off the court, but his talent level in that of a Frontier Conference player. One hot shooting game in which he scored 28 points does not mean he is a solid player. It means he shot a lot that game, and was hot. He has also disappeared in many games.

He is not a good enough shooter to be starting at the 2-guard position. He can not handle the ball well enough to play the point. So, where is his value? Rundles has better quickness, better feet, and has the ability to play better defense, although he has not done so consistently this year. The kid is a freshman, and will get better. As many an astute coach has said, " the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores". Rundles has too much upside to ride the pines.

My opinion is shared by a former Sentinel head coach who has watched several games with me.