GRIZ/NAU semifinal game thread

[CDAGRIZ]

Good thing the Grizzlies never get the benefit of the doubt from BSC officials...

All I have to go by is what video or still shot is posted, and what I heard on the radio. I love to see the Griz win, but Christ!

Didn't interfere or impact the play?????????? Edmonds is no more than 18" from the free throw line, and practically shoulder to shoulder with a Griz defender! The refs blew this one. I can see why Murphy was upset. Lost a chance to tie the game because of a non-call. Out of the tournament and probably done for the year. Ursa Major was right, Edmonds shouldn't see the court for the next year, minimum. Its pathetic that the players have to be the peacemakers because of a idiotic pubescent coach. Major suspension at least, termination possible. Mick Holien was right, "Bush League." Fullerton not only needs to review Murphys performance, but the non-performance of the refs.

He didn't interfere because the play was never live. After the basket and at that screen shot Nau grabbed the ball to nbpumd but no officials were in place and they were blowing play dead so they could make sure exact time was right and the shot was good. They can't call a T unless play was live there. No official was going to let them play on with so much unknown. 100/100 times that play is stopped and reviewed

You are 100% correct, as were the officials. I was posting this at the same time you were. :thumb:

Exactly. The cheerleaders are on the court during deadball situations. Is that a technical?

 

[Buttegrizzle]

I sent the tape to a friend of mine who is a veteran official official and couldn't care less about um, nau, msu, etc. Here's his take....

The officials had to blow the whistle to address the transfer student's interruption, which means it interfered with play, which means it should have been enough to assess a Class B Tech under 10-2.8:

Art. 8. Team followers (fans, bands, cheerleaders and mascots associated with either team) shall not commit an unsportsmanlike act, including, but not limited to, the following: ....
....d. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as but not limited to, followers entering the playing court before the player activity has been terminated. When the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored.



Since they blew the whistle, it clearly interfered with play.

bush league post

Right you are Snap. With 0.00 on the clock, the refs stopped play because the clock was supposed to stop after the make. They wanted to be sure that the correct amount of time was put on the game clock and rightfully went to the monitor. I was initially pissed cause NAU actually inbounded and time ran out but it was so loud I couldn't hear the whistle up in the stands. The refs did right, although NAU lucked out because they got in effect a long time out to draw something up. The stoppage did not have anything to do with people on the floor. Most of them came out as the refs were stopping play anyway.

 

[GrizLA]

All I have to go by is what video or still shot is posted, and what I heard on the radio. I love to see the Griz win, but Christ!

Didn't interfere or impact the play?????????? Edmonds is no more than 18" from the free throw line, and practically shoulder to shoulder with a Griz defender! The refs blew this one. I can see why Murphy was upset. Lost a chance to tie the game because of a non-call. Out of the tournament and probably done for the year. Ursa Major was right, Edmonds shouldn't see the court for the next year, minimum. Its pathetic that the players have to be the peacemakers because of a idiotic pubescent coach. Major suspension at least, termination possible. Mick Holien was right, "Bush League." Fullerton not only needs to review Murphys performance, but the non-performance of the refs.

He didn't interfere because the play was never live. After the basket and at that screen shot Nau grabbed the ball to nbpumd but no officials were in place and they were blowing play dead so they could make sure exact time was right and the shot was good. They can't call a T unless play was live there. No official was going to let them play on with so much unknown. 100/100 times that play is stopped and reviewed

You are 100% correct, as were the officials. I was posting this at the same time you were. :thumb:

Exactly. The cheerleaders are on the court during deadball situations. Is that a technical?

I have not seen a game yet where the coaches do not violate the coach's "line". This is an argument that is over. I did not see the ref hand the ball to the player, and why are there two out of bounds with a ref being ignored. It is over, a hard game to lose. Although, I find it amusing to know that the kid on the floor at the wrong time is also the kid who is academically challenged. What a lesson he learned last night!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I sent the tape to a friend of mine who is a veteran official official and couldn't care less about um, nau, msu, etc. Here's his take....

The officials had to blow the whistle to address the transfer student's interruption, which means it interfered with play, which means it should have been enough to assess a Class B Tech under 10-2.8:

Art. 8. Team followers (fans, bands, cheerleaders and mascots associated with either team) shall not commit an unsportsmanlike act, including, but not limited to, the following: ....
....d. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as but not limited to, followers entering the playing court before the player activity has been terminated. When the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored.

Since they blew the whistle, it clearly interfered with play.

I sent the Betamax to a friend of mine who is an official official official, who doesn't give three shits about um or nau. Here is his take:

Wbtfg didn't send a tape to any official official, and even if he did, an official official is like AA ball. There's a reason he's not an official official official.

 

[wbtfg]

Haha....i sent the YouTube link to a friend of mine who is a veteran official because i was curious of his take, that's what he sent back. Sorry that hurt your feelings

 

[Ursa Major]

Question. An official official official question:

Did the final buzzer sound last night after Gregory's shot? I honestly can't remember. Yes, I was drinking.

 

[DuCharme]

Haha....i sent the YouTube link to a friend of mine who is a veteran official because i was curious of his take, that's what he sent back. Sorry that hurt your feelings

he blew his take... didn't address the dead ball

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Haha....i sent the YouTube link to a friend of mine who is a veteran official because i was curious of his take, that's what he sent back. Sorry that hurt your feelings

Haha! The veteran official might consider hanging up the ol' whistle. The real officials (who were at the game officiating) blew the whistle because they had to get the time right, and maybe even make sure the shot got off in time. I'm guessing the veteran official is a HS official, or officiated at a time when video confirmation was not a part of NCAA basketball.

In the end, nothing interfered with play, because play was not occurring. Apologies to the veteran official, but it's simple application of rule to fact. You can't call a double dribble when nobody dribbled, either.

 

[Grizbeer]

Haha....i sent the YouTube link to a friend of mine who is a veteran official because i was curious of his take, that's what he sent back. Sorry that hurt your feelings

By chance was you "official friend" a short, bald white guy?

 

[info]

Haha....i sent the YouTube link to a friend of mine who is a veteran official because i was curious of his take, that's what he sent back. Sorry that hurt your feelings

By chance was you "official friend" a short, bald white guy?

Read this, your "Friend" doesn't know the rule... btw blew the whistle 25 years in H.S. and the Frontier. Probably worked games that some of you played in, that still doesn't make me an expert.

http://azdailysun.com/sports/basketball/big-sky-says-ruling-correct-at-end-of-nau-montana/article_34e2bf0f-3220-5020-bca3-79f21f678e22.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[jodcon]

I sent the tape to a friend of mine who is a veteran official official and couldn't care less about um, nau, msu, etc. Here's his take....

The officials had to blow the whistle to address the transfer student's interruption, which means it interfered with play, which means it should have been enough to assess a Class B Tech under 10-2.8:

Art. 8. Team followers (fans, bands, cheerleaders and mascots associated with either team) shall not commit an unsportsmanlike act, including, but not limited to, the following: ....
....d. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as but not limited to, followers entering the playing court before the player activity has been terminated. When the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored.

Since they blew the whistle, it clearly interfered with play.

This has happened many times in many college games, especially big games or tournament games, there were people on the floor on the other end too they were trying to get off. I have never once seen a T given in that situation and probably never will, and your hypothetical friend wouldn't have called a T either.

 

[wbtfg]

I sent the tape to a friend of mine who is a veteran official official and couldn't care less about um, nau, msu, etc. Here's his take....

The officials had to blow the whistle to address the transfer student's interruption, which means it interfered with play, which means it should have been enough to assess a Class B Tech under 10-2.8:

Art. 8. Team followers (fans, bands, cheerleaders and mascots associated with either team) shall not commit an unsportsmanlike act, including, but not limited to, the following: ....
....d. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as but not limited to, followers entering the playing court before the player activity has been terminated. When the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored.

Since they blew the whistle, it clearly interfered with play.

This has happened many times in many college games, especially big games or tournament games, there were people on the floor on the other end too they were trying to get off. I have never once seen a T given in that situation and probably never will, and your hypothetical friend wouldn't have called a T either.

Yeah....i don't necessarily disagree with any of that. Its a total judgement call, and if I'm in that position i don't think i call a t either. I just asked the dude if it was a T and he sent me back what the rulebook says, which there's always room for interpretation. I didn't ask him if he would have called a t.

Also apologies for the playerrep-esque initial post. Wasn't trying to come across as a know it all. Just a hoop fan interested in the discussion of such a crazy last sequence.

Ill be in Seattle next week for games, hope the big sky champ ends up out there.

 

[jodcon]

I sent the tape to a friend of mine who is a veteran official official and couldn't care less about um, nau, msu, etc. Here's his take....

The officials had to blow the whistle to address the transfer student's interruption, which means it interfered with play, which means it should have been enough to assess a Class B Tech under 10-2.8:

Art. 8. Team followers (fans, bands, cheerleaders and mascots associated with either team) shall not commit an unsportsmanlike act, including, but not limited to, the following: ....
....d. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as but not limited to, followers entering the playing court before the player activity has been terminated. When the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored.

Since they blew the whistle, it clearly interfered with play.

This has happened many times in many college games, especially big games or tournament games, there were people on the floor on the other end too they were trying to get off. I have never once seen a T given in that situation and probably never will, and your hypothetical friend wouldn't have called a T either.

Yeah....i don't necessarily disagree with any of that. Its a total judgement call, and if I'm in that position i don't think i call a t either. I just asked the dude if it was a T and he sent me back what the rulebook says, which there's always room for interpretation. I didn't ask him if he would have called a t.

Also apologies for the playerrep-esque initial post. Wasn't trying to come across as a know it all. Just a hoop fan interested in the discussion of such a crazy last sequence.

Ill be in Seattle next week for games, hope the big sky champ ends up out there.

Agreed it was a crazy finish, this whole thing reminds me of the Hail Mary at the end of halfs in the NFL, there's always interference of some kind by both teams but it will never be called...it's just one of those things that plays out.

Hope they send some decent teams to Seattle for you.

 

[PlayerRep]

I sent the tape to a friend of mine who is a veteran official official and couldn't care less about um, nau, msu, etc. Here's his take....

The officials had to blow the whistle to address the transfer student's interruption, which means it interfered with play, which means it should have been enough to assess a Class B Tech under 10-2.8:

Art. 8. Team followers (fans, bands, cheerleaders and mascots associated with either team) shall not commit an unsportsmanlike act, including, but not limited to, the following: ....
....d. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as but not limited to, followers entering the playing court before the player activity has been terminated. When the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored.

Since they blew the whistle, it clearly interfered with play.

This has happened many times in many college games, especially big games or tournament games, there were people on the floor on the other end too they were trying to get off. I have never once seen a T given in that situation and probably never will, and your hypothetical friend wouldn't have called a T either.

Yes, this. T's aren't given out for people prematurely coming onto the court. Most people at the game probably thought the game was over (and it was really was) and that time had expired (.4 sec left).

 

[Potomac Griz]

For anyone who still thinks it should have resulted in a T.

Here is one good example of fans rushing the court (plus hanging on the rim) that didn't result in a T.

Here is another example.

In all the college basketball I've watched I've never seen it result in a technical foul. It didn't happen while the ball was in play, the refs got it under control, and the game resumed. So no T.

Anyone who doubts that it happens often can just google it. There are tons of examples. Those two seemed like pretty big ones since there were people taking selfies on the court with players and stuff, not just a couple people running on, realizing "OH SHIT" then running off.

I'm sure there are some examples where it has resulted in a T at the college level, but I'm guessing most, if not all of those examples would be people rushing while the ball was in play.

 

[yellowstone60]

Haha....i sent the YouTube link to a friend of mine who is a veteran official because i was curious of his take, that's what he sent back. Sorry that hurt your feelings

go watch your own team..... :mrgreen:

here is a link for you to help you find your way.
http://www.bobcatnation.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[wbtfg]

Haha....i sent the YouTube link to a friend of mine who is a veteran official because i was curious of his take, that's what he sent back. Sorry that hurt your feelings

go watch your own team..... :mrgreen:

here is a link for you to help you find your way.
http://www.bobcatnation.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I would, but my team doesn't play in march, or really any other month for that matter.

 

[Ursa Major]

Haha....i sent the YouTube link to a friend of mine who is a veteran official because i was curious of his take, that's what he sent back. Sorry that hurt your feelings

go watch your own team..... :mrgreen:

here is a link for you to help you find your way.
http://www.bobcatnation.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I would, but my team doesn't play in march, or really any other month for that matter.

POY!!! Say hello to a Brinty!!!

 

[DoubleNicks]

http://bigskyconf.com/news/2015/3/15/MBB_0315151252.aspx

Big Sky Suspends NAU's Murphy One Postseason Game
3/15/2015 2:11:32 PM

OGDEN, Utah (March 15, 2015) - Big Sky Conference Commissioner Doug Fullerton has announced that Northern Arizona men's basketball coach Jack Murphy will be suspended for his team's next postseason contest.

Murphy is being suspended for his involvement in a postgame incident following Montana's 61-59 semifinal win over Northern Arizona on Friday night in Missoula, Mont.

"Again, I want to first commend the student-athletes from both teams,'' Fullerton said. "All of the student-athletes did a tremendous job of diffusing instead of escalating a tense situation. It's clear from the video that Coach Murphy instigated the incident. We expect more from our coaches when it comes to sportsmanship. This is unacceptable behavior for any coach in America, especially in the Big Sky.''

Murphy will serve his suspension this season if the Lumberjacks accept an invitation to a national postseason tournament. If not, it will be served when the Lumberjacks make their next appearance in the Big Sky men's basketball Championship.