Oh they did, AZ. It’s just none were called. But there’s a touch foul 19 feet from the hoop with 2 secs left.
It’s all just sooooo bsc.
It’s all just sooooo bsc.
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Will you stop blaming the officiating on the Big Sky Everett? How many times do we have to go over this that these ARE NOT Big Sky refs???? I get that you hate the conference, most of us do, but we don’t piss and moan about it every single post. Idk what you want the conference to do on officiating, because short of UM moving it’s entire University to the east coast, you’re gonna be stuck in the western consortium no matter where you go!EverettGriz said:
Griz til I die said:
Who should I blame? Is it the MWC’s fault that the bsc games are so poorly officiated?
Look, I get that there’s no where to go. I also get that if we just sit back and take this shit, the bsc will never do ANYTHING to hold officials accountable. I’ve said it before: there’s never a season where there isn’t 3 or 4 occasions where the PAC-12 sanctions officials. Those are western consortium guys as well. Why can’t the bsc do that? Why don’t we as fans REQUIRE the bsc to do that? I’m sick and tied of sitting back and doing nothing while we watch shit. Maybe people get tired of the bitching. I get that. But maybe eventually someone from the bsc will care enough about the product they force feed to its fans to do something to get a tiny bit better.
westsider said:
Well, at least we can’t say you choked when you lost by 30. :lol: :lol:
Jaredkuehn
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If you are really this committed to improving the BSC officiating, how about coming with an actionable plan? Bitching on Egriz isn’t getting the job done.EverettGriz said:
Jaredkuehn said:
I actually have a plan. It’s fully actionable and I’ve outlined it on this board multiple times, including once tonight. The plan is the league holds its officials accountable. It ain’t hard: other leagues do it repeatedly and consistently.
Do I expect the bsc to take any action? Hells no! Because there are far too many fans who just say, “Well, that was fucking awful, but whatreyagunna do?”
Well, it may be small, but I’m hoping to do SOMETHING until the bsc notices. Or another fan realizes it doesn’t have to be like this, another fan who actually cares about quality and the fact we don’t have any, and begins to bitch. I’ll consider that a win.
Also, I might add, I have my own 55 hour a week career, and I’m not getting paid a six figure salary by the bsc to figure this shit out.
Could sort of see this game coming from several miles away.
First our margin is still pretty small. Pretty evident last night when Pridgett struggled to get his, and Manuel was less efficient than he has been lately, that depending on points outside of Samuelson is pretty hard to come by.
Second, NAU is the longest team we'll see in the conference. They gave us fits in Missoula and it is pretty evident at this point they among the better teams in the conference defensively. Their issues come offensively. They are outside of NC the team who scares me the most come tournament time.
Three, I will state my total dislike of hedge hipchecks. This is my officiating rant for today. For whatever reason, it is permissible 30 feet from the basket for the post player to hip check the ball handler just as so long as you don't put your hands on him. I hate that this has become as permissive as hand checks were five years ago. NAU is so dang long, and if you allow them to play straight up while bumping the primary ball handler, you can effectively take them off their route/spot on the floor. We'll call a non-consequential handcheck that doesn't create an advantage but we'll let go an offensive flow disruption hip check 9 out of 10 times.
You want to free up the flow of college basketball and force teams to think twice about using post players to stretch hedge on the perimeter, 30 feet from the basket? Call that foul as much as you call illegal picks or handchecks. That will fix the aggressive hedge.
Four, I just honestly do not know what to say about the last 3 minutes of games under DeCuire. Continues to be an issue and not scoring for the last 3:30 last night was replete with a whole slew of bad possessions and bad shots. I get that you want to shorten the game, but I don't know what the answer is. Two of our four losses in conference this year have been been because of this issue. I don't know how to fix it, or where the problem begins/ends.
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On to Sacramento State. An environment that normally creates ugly basketball games. Sacramento hasn't been as good defensively in the second half of the conference season, but they seem to be able to dial it up when they face Montana. I'd be surprised if this game makes it out of the 50's.
First our margin is still pretty small. Pretty evident last night when Pridgett struggled to get his, and Manuel was less efficient than he has been lately, that depending on points outside of Samuelson is pretty hard to come by.
Second, NAU is the longest team we'll see in the conference. They gave us fits in Missoula and it is pretty evident at this point they among the better teams in the conference defensively. Their issues come offensively. They are outside of NC the team who scares me the most come tournament time.
Three, I will state my total dislike of hedge hipchecks. This is my officiating rant for today. For whatever reason, it is permissible 30 feet from the basket for the post player to hip check the ball handler just as so long as you don't put your hands on him. I hate that this has become as permissive as hand checks were five years ago. NAU is so dang long, and if you allow them to play straight up while bumping the primary ball handler, you can effectively take them off their route/spot on the floor. We'll call a non-consequential handcheck that doesn't create an advantage but we'll let go an offensive flow disruption hip check 9 out of 10 times.
You want to free up the flow of college basketball and force teams to think twice about using post players to stretch hedge on the perimeter, 30 feet from the basket? Call that foul as much as you call illegal picks or handchecks. That will fix the aggressive hedge.
Four, I just honestly do not know what to say about the last 3 minutes of games under DeCuire. Continues to be an issue and not scoring for the last 3:30 last night was replete with a whole slew of bad possessions and bad shots. I get that you want to shorten the game, but I don't know what the answer is. Two of our four losses in conference this year have been been because of this issue. I don't know how to fix it, or where the problem begins/ends.
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On to Sacramento State. An environment that normally creates ugly basketball games. Sacramento hasn't been as good defensively in the second half of the conference season, but they seem to be able to dial it up when they face Montana. I'd be surprised if this game makes it out of the 50's.
Even with the ridiculous discrepancy in foul count and FTs attempted, I was prepared to say that the game was — by bsc standards — relatively well officiated.
Then came the call with two seconds left on a play the crew had let go all game. In nearly any other league, the only way a foul is called in that situation is if the ambulance had to be called first. You simply CANNOT make that call in that spot when you haven’t called it all game.
As Mitch said during the broadcast , “allow the 10 guys in tank tops to determine the outcome of the game”
Then came the call with two seconds left on a play the crew had let go all game. In nearly any other league, the only way a foul is called in that situation is if the ambulance had to be called first. You simply CANNOT make that call in that spot when you haven’t called it all game.
As Mitch said during the broadcast , “allow the 10 guys in tank tops to determine the outcome of the game”
sacstateman
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EverettGriz said:
You guys got the cheapy call in Missoula with 2 seconds left and Manuel made 2 FTs to beat us...what happened to “allow the 10 guys in tank tops to determine the outcome of the game” ...I was a season ticket holder at Cal for several years and don't recall any sanctions against referees as you claim....Just to refresh my memory, could you cite an example of referees being sanctioned in the Pac-12?
sacstateman said:
It's always adorably cute when the few fans from other teams rush to eGRIZ since they don't have a board of their own.
For the record, Kendal was TRIPPED to the floor with 2 seconds left. That's a slightly different scenario than a handcheck 18 feet from the hoop that officials had let go all game long. But my hunch is you were well aware of that already. But thanks for visiting eGRIZ.
As to your second question, do they not have the googlating machines in sacto??
sacstateman
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EverettGriz said:
Manuel stumbled...but of course you knew this already....
Tried googlating....no bueno....prove your point or STFU....
BTW...I wouldn't call it rushing to eGriz, I waited 2 days and God only knows how many whiny, bitchy, posts from you on every thread before I posted....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
sacstateman
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EverettGriz said:
Just as I thought....all mouth, no facts....Good luck tonight for all you other eGrizzers but for you, EG you can suck my dick....