Griz Fan Pod - The Winners Corner

[BWahlberg]

We had some fun with this one last night! James and I opened the pod making it known who correctly picked the Griz win and from there we rolled into the game recap. Twitter link here is apple/spotify/web and you can always find us in your preferred podcast app by searching Griz Fan Podcast.

https://twitter.com/GrizFanPod/status/1711399692133921008

 

[BWahlberg]

https://twitter.com/Bwahlberg/status/1711396984953991429

 

[BWahlberg]

Meant to add - this is our 98th episode. We’re hoping to do something for #100

 

[EverettGriz]

Meant to add - this is our 98th episode. We’re hoping to do something for #100

EverettGriz would be available for expenses and a small *stipend.



* Beer.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Listening to the podcast now…boy, I REALLY hate having to depend on “cleaning up bonehead mistakes” into game SIX of the season…at what point do those bonehead mistakes stop being made? And bragging about 8 PBU’s is great, but that’s because there are ZERO QB hurries, hits, or sacks. AGAIN. I think this team is exactly who we thought they were… I see the season hinging on the outcome of the Sac game…

Most likely outcome: Losing the NAU game made Sac a must win…

Idaho - L
PSU - W
UNC - W
Sac - ???
MSU - L

 

[uofmman1122]

Listening to the podcast now…boy, I REALLY hate having to depend on “cleaning up bonehead mistakes” into game SIX of the season…at what point do those bonehead mistakes stop being made? And bragging about 8 PBU’s is great, but that’s because there are ZERO QB hurries, hits, or sacks. AGAIN. I think this team is exactly who we thought they were… I see the season hinging on the outcome of the Sac game…

Most likely outcome: Losing the NAU game made Sac a must win…

Idaho - L
PSU - W
UNC - W
Sac - ???
MSU - L

I know you often like the hyperbole :lol: , but I'm rewatching the game and halfway through the 3rd quarter have conservatively counted 4 hurries and 1 QB hit, so not sure what you saw.

Their entire offense is "throw it in less than 2 seconds or hand it off". Pretty hard to get any hits or sacks when that's the case, and we certainly aren't the only Big Sky team to struggle with that against them.

Although, to make you even more worried, UC Davis is 2nd in the conference against peers with 2 sacks given up, only behind....Idaho, who has only given up one.

I'm not so worried about the cleaning up boneheaded stuff, though. I'd be a lot more worried if we were not doing any boneheaded stuff and still losing, or struggling to win. That's the kind of thing that's a lot harder to fix.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Listening to the podcast now…boy, I REALLY hate having to depend on “cleaning up bonehead mistakes” into game SIX of the season…at what point do those bonehead mistakes stop being made? And bragging about 8 PBU’s is great, but that’s because there are ZERO QB hurries, hits, or sacks. AGAIN. I think this team is exactly who we thought they were… I see the season hinging on the outcome of the Sac game…

Most likely outcome: Losing the NAU game made Sac a must win…

Idaho - L
PSU - W
UNC - W
Sac - ???
MSU - L

I know you often like the hyperbole :lol: , but I'm rewatching the game and halfway through the 3rd quarter have conservatively counted 4 hurries and 1 QB hit, so not sure what you saw.

Their entire offense is "throw it in less than 2 seconds or hand it off". Pretty hard to get any hits or sacks when that's the case, and we certainly aren't the only Big Sky team to struggle with that against them.

Although, to make you even more worried, UC Davis is 2nd in the conference against peers with 2 sacks given up, only behind....Idaho, who has only given up one.

I'm not so worried about the cleaning up boneheaded stuff, though. I'd be a lot more worried if we were not doing any boneheaded stuff and still losing, or struggling to win. That's the kind of thing that's a lot harder to fix.

We have ONE SACK in 3 BSC games. We’ve given up 18 this year. Neither stat bodes well. It screams “lack of offensive line improvement” as well as “failure of a defensive strategy”…the entire premise of the 3-3-5 is chaotic pressure on the QB. We have yet to generate that against any team with a pulse. The only thing saving our bacon right now is the 9 INT’s.

And way to miss my point, bub: it’s about to be GAME SEVEN of the season. At what point should we expect “boneheaded mistakes” to stop being made? 8? 9? EVER? Because we hear it after literally every single game…

 

[BWahlberg]

Listening to the podcast now…boy, I REALLY hate having to depend on “cleaning up bonehead mistakes” into game SIX of the season…at what point do those bonehead mistakes stop being made? And bragging about 8 PBU’s is great, but that’s because there are ZERO QB hurries, hits, or sacks. AGAIN. I think this team is exactly who we thought they were… I see the season hinging on the outcome of the Sac game…

Most likely outcome: Losing the NAU game made Sac a must win…

Idaho - L
PSU - W
UNC - W
Sac - ???
MSU - L

"We want to be playing our best football in November" - Bobby Hauck

 

[uofmman1122]

I know you often like the hyperbole :lol: , but I'm rewatching the game and halfway through the 3rd quarter have conservatively counted 4 hurries and 1 QB hit, so not sure what you saw.

Their entire offense is "throw it in less than 2 seconds or hand it off". Pretty hard to get any hits or sacks when that's the case, and we certainly aren't the only Big Sky team to struggle with that against them.

Although, to make you even more worried, UC Davis is 2nd in the conference against peers with 2 sacks given up, only behind....Idaho, who has only given up one.

I'm not so worried about the cleaning up boneheaded stuff, though. I'd be a lot more worried if we were not doing any boneheaded stuff and still losing, or struggling to win. That's the kind of thing that's a lot harder to fix.

We have ONE SACK in 3 BSC games. We’ve given up 18 this year. Neither stat bodes well. It screams “lack of offensive line improvement” as well as “failure of a defensive strategy”…the entire premise of the 3-3-5 is chaotic pressure on the QB. We have yet to generate that against any team with a pulse. The only thing saving our bacon right now is the 9 INT’s.

And way to miss my point, bub: it’s about to be GAME SEVEN of the season. At what point should we expect “boneheaded mistakes” to stop being made? 8? 9? EVER? Because we hear it after literally every single game…

You don't need to get so mad, "bub", I'm not the one coming in here saying things that are wrong. :lol: You said zero pressures and hits. The sacks, or lack thereof, are a problem, but there were quite a few times on Saturday where they threw the kitchen sink at #7, and made him throw in 1.5 seconds instead 2, and it resulted in an incompletion. It's just really hard to get a sack in those situations.

Our defense is also different this year, and we've played three quick passing teams. Hopefully it turns around, but I doubt we were ever gonna be sack monsters this year when our defense has been way more about zone coverages to fix coverage mistakes, and less "leave our guys on an island and go get the QB". There are more than one flavor of 3-3-5, and ours is a little different his season. (which I thought was something people wanted to see? I guess not?)

I will say that I did say one thing that was wrong, it's Idaho State that's only allowed 1 sack. Idaho has allowed 6 in conference play.

And my boneheaded comment was a little tongue in cheek, but I guess if lighthearted remarks about some of the things we're actually doing okay at after a slightly encouraging win are gonna be met with the same "everything sucks and nothing is good, and we need to fire everyone" schtick, I'll just keep it to myself. :lol: :thumb:

And before you say it, I'm still feeling pretty out on this staff. But you're gonna get the old sugary version of me if we pull it off this weekend. :lol:

 

[garizzalies]

there are ZERO QB hurries, hits, or sacks.

I know you often like the hyperbole :lol: , but I'm rewatching the game and halfway through the 3rd quarter have conservatively counted 4 hurries and 1 QB hit, so not sure what you saw.

BH had a similar exchange when was asked by some “reporter” about this exact issue.

The “reporter” also suggested The Griz are not getting as much pressure. Coach Hauck again made the left-handed constipation face and again told him he’s wrong

At the 2:45 mark.
Q: Seems like you’re not bringing as much pressure
A: That’s not correct

The left-handed constipation look is at the 2:52 mark


https://gogriz.com/sports/football

 

[AZGrizFan]

I know you often like the hyperbole :lol: , but I'm rewatching the game and halfway through the 3rd quarter have conservatively counted 4 hurries and 1 QB hit, so not sure what you saw.

BH had a similar exchange when was asked by some “reporter” about this exact issue.

The “reporter” also suggested The Griz are not getting as much pressure. Coach Hauck again made the left-handed constipation face and again told him he’s wrong

At the 2:45 mark.
Q: Seems like you’re not bringing as much pressure
A: That’s not correct

The left-handed constipation look is at the 2:52 mark


https://gogriz.com/sports/football

Oh, they're BRINGING the pressure, it's just been almost universally unsuccessful in its application.

 

[AZGrizFan]

We have ONE SACK in 3 BSC games. We’ve given up 18 this year. Neither stat bodes well. It screams “lack of offensive line improvement” as well as “failure of a defensive strategy”…the entire premise of the 3-3-5 is chaotic pressure on the QB. We have yet to generate that against any team with a pulse. The only thing saving our bacon right now is the 9 INT’s.

And way to miss my point, bub: it’s about to be GAME SEVEN of the season. At what point should we expect “boneheaded mistakes” to stop being made? 8? 9? EVER? Because we hear it after literally every single game…

You don't need to get so mad, "bub", I'm not the one coming in here saying things that are wrong. :lol: You said zero pressures and hits. The sacks, or lack thereof, are a problem, but there were quite a few times on Saturday where they threw the kitchen sink at #7, and made him throw in 1.5 seconds instead 2, and it resulted in an incompletion. It's just really hard to get a sack in those situations.

Our defense is also different this year, and we've played three quick passing teams. Hopefully it turns around, but I doubt we were ever gonna be sack monsters this year when our defense has been way more about zone coverages to fix coverage mistakes, and less "leave our guys on an island and go get the QB". There are more than one flavor of 3-3-5, and ours is a little different his season. (which I thought was something people wanted to see? I guess not?)

I will say that I did say one thing that was wrong, it's Idaho State that's only allowed 1 sack. Idaho has allowed 6 in conference play.

And my boneheaded comment was a little tongue in cheek, but I guess if lighthearted remarks about some of the things we're actually doing okay at after a slightly encouraging win are gonna be met with the same "everything sucks and nothing is good, and we need to fire everyone" schtick, I'll just keep it to myself. :lol: :thumb:

And before you say it, I'm still feeling pretty out on this staff. But you're gonna get the old sugary version of me if we pull it off this weekend. :lol:

Fair enough on the changes/differences in this year's iteration of the 3-3-5. I would question whether that's by design or necessity, given the lack of size we are operating with in our front 3.

Regarding boneheadedness: at what point are "boneheaded mistakes" on the coaching staff and not the players? And I'm not talking about fumbles, etc. For example, go back and watch Garrett Graves' reaction to the pass TD Davis threw from about the 2 yard line. He believes that guy was Cotton's responsibility, and turns around and screams at Cotton after the TD...is that coaching? Or just an in-game mistake that can't be fixed?

 

[uofmman1122]

You don't need to get so mad, "bub", I'm not the one coming in here saying things that are wrong. :lol: You said zero pressures and hits. The sacks, or lack thereof, are a problem, but there were quite a few times on Saturday where they threw the kitchen sink at #7, and made him throw in 1.5 seconds instead 2, and it resulted in an incompletion. It's just really hard to get a sack in those situations.

Our defense is also different this year, and we've played three quick passing teams. Hopefully it turns around, but I doubt we were ever gonna be sack monsters this year when our defense has been way more about zone coverages to fix coverage mistakes, and less "leave our guys on an island and go get the QB". There are more than one flavor of 3-3-5, and ours is a little different his season. (which I thought was something people wanted to see? I guess not?)

I will say that I did say one thing that was wrong, it's Idaho State that's only allowed 1 sack. Idaho has allowed 6 in conference play.

And my boneheaded comment was a little tongue in cheek, but I guess if lighthearted remarks about some of the things we're actually doing okay at after a slightly encouraging win are gonna be met with the same "everything sucks and nothing is good, and we need to fire everyone" schtick, I'll just keep it to myself. :lol: :thumb:

And before you say it, I'm still feeling pretty out on this staff. But you're gonna get the old sugary version of me if we pull it off this weekend. :lol:

Fair enough on the changes/differences in this year's iteration of the 3-3-5. I would question whether that's by design or necessity, given the lack of size we are operating with in our front 3.

Regarding boneheadedness: at what point are "boneheaded mistakes" on the coaching staff and not the players? And I'm not talking about fumbles, etc. For example, go back and watch Garrett Graves' reaction to the pass TD Davis threw from about the 2 yard line. He believes that guy was Cotton's responsibility, and turns around and screams at Cotton after the TD...is that coaching? Or just an in-game mistake that can't be fixed?

I'm not an expert, but the change was more from the lapses in coverage that we saw a lot, especially in the middle of the field and on crossing routes than on the DL.

Also, Graves was mad at Jackson Jr. (not Cotton) on that play because #4 was Graves' man, but Jackson Jr. accidentally prevented Graves from getting back in coverage as he tried to release into the endzone. That's definitely on Jackson Jr. for shoving Graves out of the way, as it looked like Graves read it well and would've been in a position to force the WR to make a contested catch, and he needs to be coached up and learn not to make your teammate's job harder than it needs to be. But there's a reason why those WR/TE sneak out plays work super well at every level of football, they're very hard to defend.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Fair enough on the changes/differences in this year's iteration of the 3-3-5. I would question whether that's by design or necessity, given the lack of size we are operating with in our front 3.

Regarding boneheadedness: at what point are "boneheaded mistakes" on the coaching staff and not the players? And I'm not talking about fumbles, etc. For example, go back and watch Garrett Graves' reaction to the pass TD Davis threw from about the 2 yard line. He believes that guy was Cotton's responsibility, and turns around and screams at Cotton after the TD...is that coaching? Or just an in-game mistake that can't be fixed?

I'm not an expert, but the change was more from the lapses in coverage that we saw a lot, especially in the middle of the field and on crossing routes than on the DL.

Also, Graves was mad at Jackson Jr. (not Cotton) on that play because #4 was Graves' man, but Jackson Jr. accidentally prevented Graves from getting back in coverage as he tried to release into the endzone. That's definitely on Jackson Jr. for shoving Graves out of the way, as it looked like Graves read it well and would've been in a position to force the WR to make a contested catch, and he needs to be coached up and learn not to make your teammate's job harder than it needs to be. But there's a reason why those WR/TE sneak out plays work super well at every level of football, they're very hard to defend.

Agreed on the last part…guess it seemed like he was yelling at Cotton…didn’t even see Jackson Jr on the play…

 

[uofmman1122]

I'm not an expert, but the change was more from the lapses in coverage that we saw a lot, especially in the middle of the field and on crossing routes than on the DL.

Also, Graves was mad at Jackson Jr. (not Cotton) on that play because #4 was Graves' man, but Jackson Jr. accidentally prevented Graves from getting back in coverage as he tried to release into the endzone. That's definitely on Jackson Jr. for shoving Graves out of the way, as it looked like Graves read it well and would've been in a position to force the WR to make a contested catch, and he needs to be coached up and learn not to make your teammate's job harder than it needs to be. But there's a reason why those WR/TE sneak out plays work super well at every level of football, they're very hard to defend.

Agreed on the last part…guess it seemed like he was yelling at Cotton…didn’t even see Jackson Jr on the play…

Yeah, I don't know exactly who he had, but once #1 went in to block Braxton Hill, Jackson Jr. crashed down and then got in Garrett's way. Looks like Hill was following #82 in motion, so I think that might've been the assignments. Cotton was on the other side of the field when the play started.

It was definitely the type of boneheaded play you don't want to see and just illustrates how important every single player doing their job is on any given play.

 

[EverettGriz]

Meant to add - this is our 98th episode. We’re hoping to do something for #100

Does anyone else secretly hope this is the return of the Checkdown, complete with fake laser sounds?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Agreed on the last part…guess it seemed like he was yelling at Cotton…didn’t even see Jackson Jr on the play…

Yeah, I don't know exactly who he had, but once #1 went in to block Braxton Hill, Jackson Jr. crashed down and then got in Garrett's way. Looks like Hill was following #82 in motion, so I think that might've been the assignments. Cotton was on the other side of the field when the play started.

It was definitely the type of boneheaded play you don't want to see and just illustrates how important every single player doing their job is on any given play.

Lol…just watched the entire game (for the first time)…Jackson actually PUSHED Graves out of the play! I don’t know whether he thought Graves was an offensive player or what, but he two-hand pushed him and Graves’ guy broke free for the TD catch…weird…

Definitely “Boneheaded”. When do those stop, again?

 

[uofmman1122]

Yeah, I don't know exactly who he had, but once #1 went in to block Braxton Hill, Jackson Jr. crashed down and then got in Garrett's way. Looks like Hill was following #82 in motion, so I think that might've been the assignments. Cotton was on the other side of the field when the play started.

It was definitely the type of boneheaded play you don't want to see and just illustrates how important every single player doing their job is on any given play.

Lol…just watched the entire game (for the first time)…Jackson actually PUSHED Graves out of the play! I don’t know whether he thought Graves was an offensive player or what, but he two-hand pushed him and Graves’ guy broke free for the TD catch…weird…

Definitely “Boneheaded”. When do those stop, again?

Yeah, hence why Garrett was so upset. lol

I dunno about you, but I really hope it's this week, because we need them to stop if we want any chance.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Lol…just watched the entire game (for the first time)…Jackson actually PUSHED Graves out of the play! I don’t know whether he thought Graves was an offensive player or what, but he two-hand pushed him and Graves’ guy broke free for the TD catch…weird…

Definitely “Boneheaded”. When do those stop, again?

I dunno about you, but I really hope it's this week, because we need them to stop if we want any chance.

You ain’t kidding. If we get 10 possessions it’ll be a miracle. I don’t know about having to score on SIX of them (Brint’s statement), but 4 TD’s and a FG are probably gonna be required to win this thing. A defensive TD or special teams TD would be a bonus.

 

[uofmman1122]

I dunno about you, but I really hope it's this week, because we need them to stop if we want any chance.

You ain’t kidding. If we get 10 possessions it’ll be a miracle. I don’t know about having to score on SIX of them (Brint’s statement), but 4 TD’s and a FG are probably gonna be required to win this thing. A defensive TD or special teams TD would be a bonus.

Their opponents currently average just over 10 drives per game, but skewed by Cal Poly's 14 (because Idaho scored so much, so easily). Outside of that, it's less than 10 per game, so we definitely need to limit their offense and score whenever we can. If we can't sustain drives, we may not even get 9 drives the entire game.

If we can get some turnovers and get a nice lead, that will be the formula for dealing with their slow-it-down offense. Easier said than done, for sure.