Griz-Cat Interesting Facts

[Mavman]

Since a lot of times there is high turnover between year one and two with new coaching staffs, is that not reason to give new staffs 4-5yrs to truly evaluate their performance?

Unless they run the program completely into the ground..or barring any horrible off field issues....I always felt you should give a coach 5 yrs.

5 years, really?

So barring major off the field issues, you would tolerate another 3 years of what we have seen the last 2?

Dude is trolling...has to be.

OK so a coach comes in with different style that may not sit well with or utilize talent on roster:
Year 1 usually start late as far as recruiting and recruits being targeted might not fit system. Trying to install new system.
Year 2 full year of recruiting and big turnover in personnel as players leave for various reasons. system in place.
Year 3 your recruits are rs freshman a few sophmores. another full year of recruits and system firmly in place.
Year 4 this is where the rubber meets the road, system in place for three full years "your recruits" are now sophmores and a few jrs. Year four is when the fans can tell how you have recruited, if you are winning games and if your system is successful.
Year 5 if things are going good could be huge. If not time to start the search for a new coach.
Just my 2 cents!

 

[SoldierGriz]

Unless they run the program completely into the ground..or barring any horrible off field issues....I always felt you should give a coach 5 yrs.

5 years, really?

So barring major off the field issues, you would tolerate another 3 years of what we have seen the last 2?

Dude is trolling...has to be.

OK so a coach comes in with different style that may not sit well with or utilize talent on roster:
Year 1 usually start late as far as recruiting and recruits being targeted might not fit system. Trying to install new system.
Year 2 full year of recruiting and big turnover in personnel as players leave for various reasons. system in place.
Year 3 your recruits are rs freshman a few sophmores. another full year of recruits and system firmly in place.
Year 4 this is where the rubber meets the road, system in place for three full years "your recruits" are now sophmores and a few jrs. Year four is when the fans can tell how you have recruited, if you are winning games and if your system is successful.
Year 5 if things are going good could be huge. If not time to start the search for a new coach.
Just my 2 cents!

Not making change for your 2 cents...your model below doesn't account for year-over-year team disunity or late season melt-downs among other things. There is no cookie cutter for this. He has a single season contract and is coaching for his job right now. I hope it's a breakout season and the Griz return to their rightful place among the best teams in the FCS.

 

[HookedonGriz]

A few recent notables:
Dalton Daum is no longer on the roster.

Daum quit in early 2016, nearly 17 months ago.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/wr-dalton-daum-leaves-griz-football-program/article_1369ddfa-3fea-5823-aa4b-58d7b967d31b.html

I think he's talking about the Cats roster...

http://www.msubobcats.com/roster.aspx?path=football

Correct, those changes I mentioned were recent Bobcat changes who once had Griz ties.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Sorry to disappoint. I'm 41 years old. He is like 70. Now I'm worried that I come across as an old codger here . I did follow the thread though.

Sorry. You guys both have good grammar so I just put two and two together. Easy comparison to make on fan message boards knowing how few there are. Maybe you're just 41 going on 70?

I feel that old many days. No worries Vim, I'll take it as a compliment.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Since a lot of times there is high turnover between year one and two with new coaching staffs, is that not reason to give new staffs 4-5yrs to truly evaluate their performance?

Unless they run the program completely into the ground..or barring any horrible off field issues....I always felt you should give a coach 5 yrs.

5 years, really?

So barring major off the field issues, you would tolerate another 3 years of what we have seen the last 2?

I think that at year 3 the team should start improving, and if you're a new coach the guys you bring in usually dont start playing significant roles until your 3rd and 4th yr.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

5 years, really?

So barring major off the field issues, you would tolerate another 3 years of what we have seen the last 2?

Dude is trolling...has to be.

OK so a coach comes in with different style that may not sit well with or utilize talent on roster:
Year 1 usually start late as far as recruiting and recruits being targeted might not fit system. Trying to install new system.
Year 2 full year of recruiting and big turnover in personnel as players leave for various reasons. system in place.
Year 3 your recruits are rs freshman a few sophmores. another full year of recruits and system firmly in place.
Year 4 this is where the rubber meets the road, system in place for three full years "your recruits" are now sophmores and a few jrs. Year four is when the fans can tell how you have recruited, if you are winning games and if your system is successful.
Year 5 if things are going good could be huge. If not time to start the search for a new coach.
Just my 2 cents!

Not making change for your 2 cents...your model below doesn't account for year-over-year team disunity or late season melt-downs among other things. There is no cookie cutter for this. He has a single season contract and is coaching for his job right now. I hope it's a breakout season and the Griz return to their rightful place among the best teams in the FCS.

he has had 1 good year and 1 bad...he has missed the playoffs once and had a win in the other before getting bounced by the national champs.....I would say that those arent consistent trends of collapsing or team disunity.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Since a lot of times there is high turnover between year one and two with new coaching staffs, is that not reason to give new staffs 4-5yrs to truly evaluate their performance?

Unless they run the program completely into the ground..or barring any horrible off field issues....I always felt you should give a coach 5 yrs.

5 years, really?

So barring major off the field issues, you would tolerate another 3 years of what we have seen the last 2?

I think that at year 3 the team should start improving, and if you're a new coach the guys you bring in usually dont start playing significant roles until your 3rd and 4th yr.

So, if there is not improvement THIS season....you would give this staff another year? Just curious how you would structure the contract?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Dude is trolling...has to be.

OK so a coach comes in with different style that may not sit well with or utilize talent on roster:
Year 1 usually start late as far as recruiting and recruits being targeted might not fit system. Trying to install new system.
Year 2 full year of recruiting and big turnover in personnel as players leave for various reasons. system in place.
Year 3 your recruits are rs freshman a few sophmores. another full year of recruits and system firmly in place.
Year 4 this is where the rubber meets the road, system in place for three full years "your recruits" are now sophmores and a few jrs. Year four is when the fans can tell how you have recruited, if you are winning games and if your system is successful.
Year 5 if things are going good could be huge. If not time to start the search for a new coach.
Just my 2 cents!

Not making change for your 2 cents...your model below doesn't account for year-over-year team disunity or late season melt-downs among other things. There is no cookie cutter for this. He has a single season contract and is coaching for his job right now. I hope it's a breakout season and the Griz return to their rightful place among the best teams in the FCS.

he has had 1 good year and 1 bad...he has missed the playoffs once and had a win in the other before getting bounced by the national champs.....I would say that those arent consistent trends of collapsing or team disunity.

You're not paying close enough attention...

 

[Mavman]

OK so a coach comes in with different style that may not sit well with or utilize talent on roster:
Year 1 usually start late as far as recruiting and recruits being targeted might not fit system. Trying to install new system.
Year 2 full year of recruiting and big turnover in personnel as players leave for various reasons. system in place.
Year 3 your recruits are rs freshman a few sophmores. another full year of recruits and system firmly in place.
Year 4 this is where the rubber meets the road, system in place for three full years "your recruits" are now sophmores and a few jrs. Year four is when the fans can tell how you have recruited, if you are winning games and if your system is successful.
Year 5 if things are going good could be huge. If not time to start the search for a new coach.
Just my 2 cents!

Not making change for your 2 cents...your model below doesn't account for year-over-year team disunity or late season melt-downs among other things. There is no cookie cutter for this. He has a single season contract and is coaching for his job right now. I hope it's a breakout season and the Griz return to their rightful place among the best teams in the FCS.

he has had 1 good year and 1 bad...he has missed the playoffs once and had a win in the other before getting bounced by the national champs.....I would say that those arent consistent trends of collapsing or team disunity.

You're not paying close enough attention...

I have to ask because I do not know, what caused the team disunity? Was it Stitt ,was it older players,
was it frustration, was it other coaches?? Can it be fixed?

 

[Copper Griz]

Not making change for your 2 cents...your model below doesn't account for year-over-year team disunity or late season melt-downs among other things. There is no cookie cutter for this. He has a single season contract and is coaching for his job right now. I hope it's a breakout season and the Griz return to their rightful place among the best teams in the FCS.

he has had 1 good year and 1 bad...he has missed the playoffs once and had a win in the other before getting bounced by the national champs.....I would say that those arent consistent trends of collapsing or team disunity.

You're not paying close enough attention...

I have to ask because I do not know, what caused the team disunity? Was it Stitt ,was it older players,
was it frustration, was it other coaches?? Can it be fixed?

Rumors, innuendo and speculation. That is what this board is full of. Could have been all of the things you mentioned. Many just want to blame Stitt. The situation is way more complex than just the coach. This year will tell a lot. Unless the O line and QB improve, it could be a tough year. I think QB will be an improvement. O line - just don't know.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

OK so a coach comes in with different style that may not sit well with or utilize talent on roster:
Year 1 usually start late as far as recruiting and recruits being targeted might not fit system. Trying to install new system.
Year 2 full year of recruiting and big turnover in personnel as players leave for various reasons. system in place.
Year 3 your recruits are rs freshman a few sophmores. another full year of recruits and system firmly in place.
Year 4 this is where the rubber meets the road, system in place for three full years "your recruits" are now sophmores and a few jrs. Year four is when the fans can tell how you have recruited, if you are winning games and if your system is successful.
Year 5 if things are going good could be huge. If not time to start the search for a new coach.
Just my 2 cents!

Not making change for your 2 cents...your model below doesn't account for year-over-year team disunity or late season melt-downs among other things. There is no cookie cutter for this. He has a single season contract and is coaching for his job right now. I hope it's a breakout season and the Griz return to their rightful place among the best teams in the FCS.

he has had 1 good year and 1 bad...he has missed the playoffs once and had a win in the other before getting bounced by the national champs.....I would say that those arent consistent trends of collapsing or team disunity.

You're not paying close enough attention...

I mean, I dont talk to players or anything like that but I do know a couple of the coaches very well. Regardless I dont look for gossip like a lot of people do. I just think from what I've seen on the field.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Unless they run the program completely into the ground..or barring any horrible off field issues....I always felt you should give a coach 5 yrs.

5 years, really?

So barring major off the field issues, you would tolerate another 3 years of what we have seen the last 2?

I think that at year 3 the team should start improving, and if you're a new coach the guys you bring in usually dont start playing significant roles until your 3rd and 4th yr.

So, if there is not improvement THIS season....you would give this staff another year? Just curious how you would structure the contract?

Basically if theres not improvement this season I would say you got 2 years to get us to the semifinals or further.

 

[UMGriz75]

Basically if theres not improvement this season I would say you got 2 years to get us to the semifinals or further.

It's been two long, painful seasons for the "cheerleading" squad.

Stitt 2016 38%
Stitt 2015 67%

Delaney 63%
Pflugrad 65%
Hauck 83%
Glenn 87%
Denney 77%
Read 70%

Stitt's two years are just conference games. Everybody else is "all season."

Remember what the geniuses were saying before the recent season debacle.

BadlandsGrizFan wrote:
Probably because it makes more sense to not have 8-10 freshman all playing when you can give them a year to develop while still potentially making the playoffs..... make no mistake, the griz have young talent that we havent seen in a decade with this program

BadlandsGrizFan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:40 pm
1. Griz- We got another year under Stitt's system, hes got HIS guy at D coordinator. Talented roster, lots of battle tested kids returning.

griz5700 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:57 pm
And . . . . the Griz go back to dominating this weak ass conference.

brewskis » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:03 am ...if the Griz don't win it we will have had some serious blunders.

Always remember what people say. Then you don't have to keep getting surprised, time after time.

 

[brewskis]

Basically if theres not improvement this season I would say you got 2 years to get us to the semifinals or further.

It's been two long, painful seasons for the "cheerleading" squad.

Stitt 2016 38%
Stitt 2015 67%

Delaney 63%
Pflugrad 65%
Hauck 83%
Glenn 87%
Denney 77%
Read 70%

Stitt's two years are just conference games. Everybody else is "all season."

Remember what the geniuses were saying before the recent season debacle.

BadlandsGrizFan wrote:
Probably because it makes more sense to not have 8-10 freshman all playing when you can give them a year to develop while still potentially making the playoffs..... make no mistake, the griz have young talent that we havent seen in a decade with this program

BadlandsGrizFan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:40 pm
1. Griz- We got another year under Stitt's system, hes got HIS guy at D coordinator. Talented roster, lots of battle tested kids returning.

griz5700 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:57 pm
And . . . . the Griz go back to dominating this weak ass conference.

brewskis » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:03 am ...if the Griz don't win it we will have had some serious blunders.

Always remember what people say. Then you don't have to keep getting surprised, time after time.

Ahhhh you lawyers.......that's why we hire you. Due diligence.


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[BadlandsGrizFan]

Basically if theres not improvement this season I would say you got 2 years to get us to the semifinals or further.

It's been two long, painful seasons for the "cheerleading" squad.

Stitt 2016 38%
Stitt 2015 67%

Delaney 63%
Pflugrad 65%
Hauck 83%
Glenn 87%
Denney 77%
Read 70%

Stitt's two years are just conference games. Everybody else is "all season."

Remember what the geniuses were saying before the recent season debacle.

BadlandsGrizFan wrote:
Probably because it makes more sense to not have 8-10 freshman all playing when you can give them a year to develop while still potentially making the playoffs..... make no mistake, the griz have young talent that we havent seen in a decade with this program

BadlandsGrizFan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:40 pm
1. Griz- We got another year under Stitt's system, hes got HIS guy at D coordinator. Talented roster, lots of battle tested kids returning.

griz5700 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:57 pm
And . . . . the Griz go back to dominating this weak ass conference.

brewskis » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:03 am ...if the Griz don't win it we will have had some serious blunders.

Always remember what people say. Then you don't have to keep getting surprised, time after time.

I still stand by my comment, the Griz do currently have and have added to young talent on the roster that we havent had around for a long time. I dont think people are debating the level of talent on our roster.

Well except asshats like you.

 

[UMGriz75]

BadlandsGrizFan wrote:
Probably because it makes more sense to not have 8-10 freshman all playing when you can give them a year to develop while still potentially making the playoffs..... make no mistake, the griz have young talent that we havent seen in a decade with this program

BadlandsGrizFan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:40 pm
1. Griz- We got another year under Stitt's system, hes got HIS guy at D coordinator. Talented roster, lots of battle tested kids returning.

I still stand by my comment, the Griz do currently have and have added to young talent on the roster that we havent had around for a long time. I dont think people are debating the level of talent on our roster.

Well except asshats like you.

Too late. Game is over. You were talking about the level of talent -- a level we hadn't seen in years -- on last year's roster.

Last year is over. Our worst conference record in over 30 years.

How embarrassing for you.

 

[brewskis]

BadlandsGrizFan wrote:
Probably because it makes more sense to not have 8-10 freshman all playing when you can give them a year to develop while still potentially making the playoffs..... make no mistake, the griz have young talent that we havent seen in a decade with this program

BadlandsGrizFan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:40 pm
1. Griz- We got another year under Stitt's system, hes got HIS guy at D coordinator. Talented roster, lots of battle tested kids returning.

I still stand by my comment, the Griz do currently have and have added to young talent on the roster that we havent had around for a long time. I dont think people are debating the level of talent on our roster.

Well except asshats like you.

Too late. Game is over. You were talking about the level of talent -- a level we hadn't seen in years -- on last year's roster.

Last year is over. Our worst conference record in over 30 years.

How embarrassing for you.

I'm sure he's heartbroken about his inaccurate prediction of the 2016 season. Truly a devastating failure.


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[HelenaHandBasket]

My take as of right now...I don't think the Griz make the playoffs for a variety of reasons from inexperience at QB to schedule to questions about the OL. But do I think this means Stitt is gone, maybe. I could see him get an additional season, but for that to happen, they must finish no worse than 6-5 and show that the foundation is there. Games like the final 2 of last season will be deal breakers, but for different reasons. The UNC loss was just a bad loss to a not so good team, but the Cat loss showed even more. I saw an undisciplined group of players, some that forgot about the team. I saw an offense that was inept, both in design and talent. This offense and team have a long way to go for me to think that this coaching staff deserves another season.

 

[SoldierGriz]

My take as of right now...I don't think the Griz make the playoffs for a variety of reasons from inexperience at QB to schedule to questions about the OL. But do I think this means Stitt is gone, maybe. I could see him get an additional season, but for that to happen, they must finish no worse than 6-5 and show that the foundation is there. Games like the final 2 of last season will be deal breakers, but for different reasons. The UNC loss was just a bad loss to a not so good team, but the Cat loss showed even more. I saw an undisciplined group of players, some that forgot about the team. I saw an offense that was inept, both in design and talent. This offense and team have a long way to go for me to think that this coaching staff deserves another season.

This is where I'm at as well. But, I have to admit I am really excited for the coming season to see what this group can do.

One thing is certain - there are no more excuses...

 

[UMGriz75]

I'm sure he's heartbroken about his inaccurate prediction of the 2016 season. Truly a devastating failure.

Watching the same small group of football blowhards make big claims and out-of-sight predictions has its own entertainment value. It wasn't just the "inaccurate predication." I'd guess that there was probably about 50,000 of those. It was the sheer pomposity and arrogance of the claims made, lasting through two seasons, pretending it wasn't your analytical failures, it was some undefined malevolence that was somehow preventing a brilliant D2 level coach from claiming his rightful due in the storied pantheon of FCS football.

The claims that were wholly, completely, embarrassingly wrong. I've never seen so much arrogance go so wrong.

Anyone can hope for the best, and still be wrong. In the long run, it's the nature of the game. It's the nature of sport and chance.

It is the amazing level of arrogance that you two (and about five others) bring to this sport, on this forum, combined with an inexplicable arrogance that anyone should take you seven seriously ever again. You're here for your personal egos, not for the sport.

Remember. We lost our last game of the season to MSU. At home. To the league's current bottom-dweller.

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/sports/bobcats/football/final-montana-state-stuns-montana/article_4f4ae87a-a1c4-5cd9-856e-aabca10076d0.html