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Griz-backers-outraged-by-dismissals
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Although I would like for them to give a reason, and think more harm will come to them by being secretive than it is worth to protect them from lawsuits, they don't have to tell us, and we really don't have a right to know. Tokyos whining gets old fast. Also have to think about the other side of this. It's possible either Pflu or O'Day or both have asked for it not to be disclosed. Watching the interview with both of them yesterday showed that they don't seem to be on the same page with each other. O'Day seemed to accept it o.k. and Pflu was pissed. Just more confusion to this whole mess.crackgina said:
I hereby retract what I have posted about crackgina, but as for Tokyo...what a tool.
Lady Fan of the Griz
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Does anyone realize that Pflu's comments to the press regarding Jordan Johnson were wrong? As soon as I read those I thought the writing was on the wall for Plfu's future. All the work Missoula has done to say sexual assualt is not okay and Pflu turns around and praises Johnson's morale character while there is an ongoing rape investigation. I don't know if Johnson is guilty, I don't believe in trying someone in the Missoulian or on egriz, however I do understand that comments like Pflu's the leader of Griz Nation basically called the alleged victim a liar to all the world. Not smart for someone in his position and a PR nightmare.
The worst thing about this was the timing. It seems to me there was enough known information by January that Engstrom could have dismissed Pflugrad within the time frame that most universities fire coaches. The alleged sexual assault from the previous year was known to the administration, as was the Donaldson charge. The only thing that hadn't arisen was the accusation against Jordan Johnson, which still doesn't seem provably true.
A January dismissal would have allowed time to recover on the recruiting front and deal with vacancies created by upset players leaving the team. It would have occurred while students were on break--try facing mid terms, spring practice and the the sudden firing of your coach at the same time. That's a totally avoidable and unfair burden for a student athlete. Not to mention that the athletes by their own admission found out about the firing second hand before the administration made any attempt to explain its decision. -- we are all still waiting for an explanation.
Was there more bad news to come at UM? Sure, but it was bad news related to an organized and predictable process of dealing with the alleged incidents. Much of what's to come was as predictable in December as it is now.
What happened Thursday was like the CEO of an airline firing a pilot after the passengers are loaded and the plane has left the ground.
A January dismissal would have allowed time to recover on the recruiting front and deal with vacancies created by upset players leaving the team. It would have occurred while students were on break--try facing mid terms, spring practice and the the sudden firing of your coach at the same time. That's a totally avoidable and unfair burden for a student athlete. Not to mention that the athletes by their own admission found out about the firing second hand before the administration made any attempt to explain its decision. -- we are all still waiting for an explanation.
Was there more bad news to come at UM? Sure, but it was bad news related to an organized and predictable process of dealing with the alleged incidents. Much of what's to come was as predictable in December as it is now.
What happened Thursday was like the CEO of an airline firing a pilot after the passengers are loaded and the plane has left the ground.
Tokyogriz
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Lady Fan of the Griz said:
Like you said no one other than those 2 involved know the actual details. To say you believe someone has leadership and moral character based on your own personal relationship with them is no crime. Pflu never once stated the case was unbelievable nor the alleged victim. People who knew the alleged victim are also within their rights to state the same for her.
Lynch mobs rule were silence and fear are the dominate force.
stubbins
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Lady Fan of the Griz said:
and if the alleged victim turns out to be a liar....then standing up for an individual who he believes does have a high moral fiber is still wrong?
Why does the alleged victim have the right to ruin JJ's name before anything is proven, but we have to worry about alleged victim's feelings before anything is proven?
Either name them both, or don't name either of them....
colsteveaustin
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Cliff Edwards is pissed because the guy who presided over the most thuggish era of Montana football has finally been let go after numerous chances to amend things.
Shocking.
Too bad he couldn't have shown up sooner and used his blowpiece to represent some of the victims who were being curb stomped, raped, and who knows what else is yet to be revealed.
Shocking.
Too bad he couldn't have shown up sooner and used his blowpiece to represent some of the victims who were being curb stomped, raped, and who knows what else is yet to be revealed.
jhelms41654
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If the powers to be deem it necessary for a change of leadership at U of M, why not start with the leader? Our president appears to be more concerned with covering his backside than what is good for U of M in general. The loss of O'Day, a native son to the university, and who has done nothing but give to all the sports programs at U of M, seems to the biggest tragedy thus far.
Likely he was on thin ice after the investigation/report and the protective JJ statement was a straw that broke the camel's back. Like he didn't get where Engtrom was going. That said, I hope Pflu protects his rights and does test the decision legally; it sounds as if Edwards is ready to jump in. It may be the case that UM has agreed to pay the third contract year on the condition of his silence and no legal challenge.Lady Fan of the Griz said:
MooUBaby said:
It apprears he was the man for the job.
Lady Fan of the Griz
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stubbins said:
Stubbins I understand what you are saying. It is such a balancing act with sexual crimes. Look at the women who were brutally raped by Peletier should their names be released for further invasion into their lives? We don't know what happened that night and so we don't have a right to know the alleged victim's name. If we did so we add to the reasons many women will not report this crime. The first thing a defense attorney will do is try and tear apart the women's character and label her and blame her. Johnson is a public figure in this community and the media in this town has been sitting around salivating waiting to crucify any griz player they can and so they splash him all over the news. Is that fair? No, I don't think it is. Nothing makes me angrier than false reporting. All it does is hurt true victims of this crime. How many false reports are there? It depends on who you ask. This is a sad situation. I just think Pflu could support JJ in his circle but shouldn't have spoke out in that manner to the public.
NorthwestFresh
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grizzpaw said:i feel if they are going to name one they should name all. +1 you don't wait a week to report a rape! my kid didn't.this women was "gotten to" by the she-women men hater club!
There's a great idea. Publish the alleged victims' names so the Griz Sunshine Pumpers can harass and intimidate them. I can just imagine some of the things the delusional fans on this board would post toward any woman who dared to claim she was assaulted by a Griz football player.
Reading this place, it appears that the majority seem to believe that every single alleged rape is being brought forward by women who are lying about it. Either that, or I've read that because a lot of women supposedly get raped, that it's not that big of a deal.
Just disgusting stuff, and I have to wonder if some of you would say the same things about the alleged victims if your own identity was known to the public.
Flathead Griz
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It all appears that Engstrom is trying to show how tough he is after giving the Saudi student warning and time to get out of the Country. Engstrom needs to go.
Tokyogriz
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NorthwestFresh said:grizzpaw said:i feel if they are going to name one they should name all. +1 you don't wait a week to report a rape! my kid didn't
There's a great idea. Publish the alleged victims' names so the Griz Sunshine Pumpers can harass and intimidate them. I can just imagine some of the things the delusional fans on this board would post toward any woman who dared to claim she was assaulted by a Griz football player.
Reading this place, it appears that the majority seem to believe that every single alleged rape is being brought forward by women who are lying about it. Either that, or I've read that because a lot of women supposedly get raped, that it's not that big of a deal.
Just disgusting stuff, and I have to wonder if some of you would say the same things about the alleged victims if your own identity was known to the public.
Typical lynch mob thinking.
Both the accuser and the accused are on equal footing until the case is pursued then taken to court to find the truth. JJs word is as good as his accusers, and hers is as good as his until the court uncovers what it can if it comes to that. People who know either person could understandably assume the person they know is a good person and would say so to others asking about the accuser or the accused.
Having lived outside this country for a few years coming back is depressing when people like you want to throw all our freedoms into the garbage with these lynch em now mentality.
Lady Fan of the Griz
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Flathead Griz said:
He's learned his lesson and now he will keep everyone safe while serving on the Homeland Security committee he was appointed to.