Griz-backers-outraged-by-dismissals

[Evizzerate]

To hell with the "big boosters"!

You're naive............... You know something we don't other than speculation. If someting is "swept under the rug" as you say Plu and Oday will need criminal lawers not employment lawers. Besides if the U of M Foundation sends an e-mails to Boosters things are significant. By the way the folks I'm talking about are very deeply rooted in universities around the country. They just want to know what just happened so calm down homey!

It's been reported in the past that an assistant coach knew of the gang rape allegations and that the Missoula Police Department sat down with Pflugrad to tell him the whole disgusting story. These allegations were so heinous that there should have been no question for Pflugrad whether the players alleged to be involved were the type of student athletes Pflugrad wanted on his team. It has not been reported what Pflugrad did with that disturbing information and I have been unable to find out if anything was done to the players allegedly involved. Engstrom has skirted around it and any supporters of the Montana program that may know what Pflugrad did or didn't do aren't saying. I think mess will continue until that information is made public by either the school, the authorities , the NCAA or an attorney for the alleged victim.

 

[m616s6e]

BS - that an assistant coach knew the details and that Pflu knew the details hasn't been "reported" in the legitimate press. Don't make stuff up and then use it to justify your position.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If people like these douchebags are up in arms it just proves Engstrom did the right thing.....not that I needed any more proof.

These loudmouthed jackasses are the skeleton of the football department that allowed these players to get away with crime after crime and no accountability.

Now they are cut off for the time being and will have to french kiss the tar star of the new coach and AD for a few years to regain their immoral stranglehold on our once proud athletic program. Sure they have money to throw around and influence but right now it does them no good at all and I love that.

Its about time these "boosters" feel the need to squirm and be just another fan for awhile until they can get their tentacles wrapped around the new AD and HC and start sucking the life out of the program again.

 

[JBS]

griz-backers-outraged-by-dismissals....duh. what elsewould you expect? what a joke of a story. these people are so invested in the programs that they can't see straight. they want to be big players in the football program and they have the resources to get their voices heard and have their egos fed. i put more stock in what some jr. high kid thinks of griz football than any of these blowhards.

If that is how you really feel, than you have a choice to make. Without the big donors, there is no athletics. I don't think the Jr. high kids can make enough in their bake sales to pay for all of these scholarships or facilities. You have to understand that the University doesn't pay for scholarships. The kids don't just go to school for free, an actual check is written, and it is paid for by boosters through the GSA. I agree that their sense of entitlement is irritating, but it is what it is. No big donors, no athletics, and if thats o.k. with you than your feelings on this make sense. But if you want athletics, but no big donors, you will just be out of luck.

Please! These big mockers just want to blow off so they can get the public recognition that they crave. After all, that's what it's all about. Nobody donates big dollars to a college football program unless they want to claim bragging rights for doing so. If it was about helping the university, they would donate to the general fund. None of them will withhold money in the future. They will get in line once again to stake their claim as a "significant doner" to UM athletics

Look, I said they irritate me too, but the fact is it doesn't matter why they donate, if they don't than there won't be athletics, at least in any meaningful form. You can't tell them to just f*** off and expect their support at the same time. Its just the way it is when there is any kind of non-private enterprise. Accept that, or be happy with not having an athletic program. Your choice. Many people would be happy about that, but they aren't the type who cruise message boards dedicated to athletics.

And none of these people are going to donate to the general fund. Most have learned that lesson from Dennison. They will support the GSA, because that is their interest and where their priorities are. They have that right.

 

[grizatwork]

Griz backers should be outraged. Engstrom essentially has made a bad situation worse. It shows that he may not have the right mix of decision making qualities to head up the University of Montana. His handling of this has made BIG BOOSTERS scratching they're heads in disbelief. His "for the long-term interest" concerns have the making of a short term disaster. His lack of commitment can result in doubt as to the conclusions he has drawn. Engstrom better have some other explanations or the university has been set up for a long-term fiasco. This is truely an unfortunate set of events that has to this point been handled in a very unprofessional manner. Engstrom's days should be limited.

I think if you sit back for a few days and let things settle down you will realize that it had to get worse before it got better. We were covering a festering wound with a band aid. We needed to rip it off and get rid of infected and dead tissue and allow new tissue to regenerate. Sometimes good healthy tissue gets taken off too. I am sure O'Day and Pflugrad are good men. They were wrong place, wrong time, wrong personalities. They are in fact victims of the infection. Bad choices by young men under their leadership.

I am not outraged. I am sad. Sad that two men lost their jobs. Sad that some young men ruined their futures. Sad that some young women were taken advantage of and that every relationship they have from here on will be affected by someone elses actions. I am sad that I have had to have certain talks with my 15 year old daughter because of this crazy world. I am sad for the young men on the team who have been painted with a broad brush by the actions of a few. I am not sad for me or the grizzlies. I am a grown man 200 hundred miles away from Missoula right now. The grizzlies will be fine. The team and university are more than just a few men or players.

 

[ilovethecats]

for some reason, i don't feel like edwards and PR speak for the majority of griz fans. could some of you really not see this coming? :?

 

[grizatwork]

for some reason, i don't feel like edwards and PR speak for the majority of griz fans. could some of you really not see this coming? :?

Please. I saw that one coming down Higgins a mile away on one of those eco friendly buses the city of Missoula owns

 

[ilovethecats]

for some reason, i don't feel like edwards and PR speak for the majority of griz fans. could some of you really not see this coming? :?

Please. I saw that one coming down Higgins a mile away on one of those eco friendly buses the city of Missoula owns

:clap:

in seriousness...condolences for you guys. this is all too fresh in my mind. i like to think the cats bounced back great and the griz will too. hopefully not TOO great however.... :thumb:

 

[stubbins]

for some reason, i don't feel like edwards and PR speak for the majority of griz fans. could some of you really not see this coming? :?

Nope...I thought at worst players would be kicked off, and that the new athletic code of conduct was set in place to make sure that coaches, ad, or whomever would not have the power to legislate punishment.

I thought that the administration would and should have waited to see if these new codes would help keep kids from putting themselves in positions to be, fairly or unfairly, investigated.

I assumed that if this behavior continued under these new codes, that there would definately be some firings.....but not for past discressions(that individuals have not been found guilty of) before the codes had a chance to prove if they worked or not, and if ALL university officials could live under and obey these new rules. ALL university employees that have any contribution to bringing ANY student to the university should have to obey these rules.

I think most Griz fans applauded the new rules and were anxious to see if they were going to work...but this is extreme in my opinion, not waiting to see if under the new rules, people in place could get this turned around, with backing from the university already in place.

Don Read would've been fired if everything that happened under his watch recieved the attention this got, without any convictions....

 

[nzone]

I nor anyone of the folk I talk with would ever not donate. Math, Science, Business are what we are donating for not athletics. I personally give to athletics and will continue to do so. This is just a mess!

 

[grizatwork]

for some reason, i don't feel like edwards and PR speak for the majority of griz fans. could some of you really not see this coming? :?

Please. I saw that one coming down Higgins a mile away on one of those eco friendly buses the city of Missoula owns

:clap:

in seriousness...condolences for you guys. this is all too fresh in my mind. i like to think the cats bounced back great and the griz will too. hopefully not TOO great however.... :thumb:

We will bounce back. The sun came up this morning, it will go down tonight. Same thing will happen tomorrow. I appreciate the fact that you remember what happened not to long ago in Bozeman. I was very quiet when that happened because I knew it could happen here. And it did........ . I was upset with griz fans who gloated back then, just like I was pretty irritated at poorgriz18 for his shameful remark yesterday.

 

[JBS]

To hell with the "big boosters"!

You're naive............... You know something we don't other than speculation. If someting is "swept under the rug" as you say Plu and Oday will need criminal lawers not employment lawers. Besides if the U of M Foundation sends an e-mails to Boosters things are significant. By the way the folks I'm talking about are very deeply rooted in universities around the country. They just want to know what just happened so calm down homey!

It's been reported in the past that an assistant coach knew of the gang rape allegations and that the Missoula Police Department sat down with Pflugrad to tell him the whole disgusting story. These allegations were so heinous that there should have been no question for Pflugrad whether the players alleged to be involved were the type of student athletes Pflugrad wanted on his team. It has not been reported what Pflugrad did with that disturbing information and I have been unable to find out if anything was done to the players allegedly involved. Engstrom has skirted around it and any supporters of the Montana program that may know what Pflugrad did or didn't do aren't saying. I think mess will continue until that information is made public by either the school, the authorities , the NCAA or an attorney for the alleged victim.

If any of this is true, the Marz investigation would have uncovered it. And if it did, the firing should have happened then. I'm not going to take anything that happened before the investigation as justifying this firing. Timing is all wrong and makes no sense. I agree with the firings in general, and was hoping when the investigation finished that it would happen. I haven't been happy with any of this crap either. But nothing did happen until now, which leads me to think something that happened recently is the cause. No, we don't have a right to know why, and they don't have to tell us, but they are the ones who are going to take the heat for that decision. By they, I mostly mean the board of regents. I think Engstroms hand was forced, and he took a spineless way out. If he would have unilaterally done this in December or January when he had plenty of cause, I would have applauded him and thought he had balls. So either the investigation didn't uncover any cause for firing, or he was as involved as anyone in whatever went wrong.

 

[AZGrizFan]

for some reason, i don't feel like edwards and PR speak for the majority of griz fans. could some of you really not see this coming? :?

Please. I saw that one coming down Higgins a mile away on one of those eco friendly buses the city of Missoula owns

Like I said yesterday after watching Pflu's "extended" interview on KPAX...if he TRULY didn't see this coming and has no idea why he was fired, then he's dumber than a post. :? :? :? :?

 

[grizpsych]

I was interested in that article and taking it seriously until the name of one of the people quoted was given. A lot of you know why I say this.

LOL :thumb:

 

[Silvertip]

Perhaps a raiding party in the dead of night?... We haul Engstrom off to the Gallatin and leave him behind in exchange for MSU's Waded Cruzado. Royce would never call the cops preferring to chalk it up as strictly "a personnel matter."

 

[alphacat]

How dUMb can Griz fans be?

The President is doing and saying the right things. MSU got in trouble when they decided not to renew Kramer's contract, because they told him one thing in private and said something else to the public and liable his good character. Silence is golden right now. We all know things have gotten out of hand in Grizland. Not renewing a contract is a sound personal decision as it is not a firing. No legal recourse to attack here or it will be hard to attack legally. I am sure some UM of alumni will try. The University has to finish paying out the terms of the contracts and decide on whom to hiring next. They do not need to say anything else about this matter.

Sadly, as a Cat fan, this is the best thing that could happen to your program.

I wish this train wreck would continue for you, but it will soon be over for you, if the University learns from the mistakes of MSU.

 

[Tokyogriz]

Griz backers should be outraged. Engstrom essentially has made a bad situation worse. It shows that he may not have the right mix of decision making qualities to head up the University of Montana. His handling of this has made BIG BOOSTERS scratching they're heads in disbelief. His "for the long-term interest" concerns have the making of a short term disaster. His lack of commitment can result in doubt as to the conclusions he has drawn. Engstrom better have some other explanations or the university has been set up for a long-term fiasco. This is truely an unfortunate set of events that has to this point been handled in a very unprofessional manner. Engstrom's days should be limited.

I agree. According to many posters here Engstrom has no need for any explanation as he has full dictatorship power with no accountablity to the people of Montana. Public entities can be forced to disclose this information, or at least state the nature of why it could not be said due to privacy issue etc.

It seems to elude many of the lynch mob that the people of Montana have the right to question and recieve an answer as to why these firings occured. It will come out sometime maybe with a lawsuit I suppose.

Fire Royce Engstrom.

 

[GrizPony]

The Supreme Court of Montana does NOT require disclosure of termination causes in personnel matters. Life is not fair Tokyo. Jesus stop the incessant yammering.

 

[Tokyogriz]

for some reason, i don't feel like edwards and PR speak for the majority of griz fans. could some of you really not see this coming? :?

Please. I saw that one coming down Higgins a mile away on one of those eco friendly buses the city of Missoula owns

Like I said yesterday after watching Pflu's "extended" interview on KPAX...if he TRULY didn't see this coming and has no idea why he was fired, then he's dumber than a post. :? :? :? :?

Thats because Pflu didnt do anything wrong. Unless there is something major being withheld from public info Pflu and Oday werre thrown under the bus for Engstroms ego.

In the Missoulian article front page were oday and pflu get shitcanned there is an article about that sick rapist getting 100 years for rape here in missoula. Guess what lynch mob? he doesnt go to UM, and in fact is a product of Missoula, Montana, and America. Blaming Oday and Pflu for the actions of your kids doesnt change anything until people in society teach their own kids right from wrong.

I find it amusing you the Lynch Mob on here is so excited about this change no matter what the damage. Many of you seem to think its the supposed fix for our school and we will magically never have any issues again.

 

[GrizPony]

For what its worth, I think both contract non-renewals were a huge mistake and I don't even really like Pflu. I know and like O'Day a ton. But the bottom line is, they aren't coming back regardless and we may never get a satisfactory answer as to what precipitated this and why it occurred at this inopportune time. I think it was Engstrom covering his own butt a bunch. Now lets move on.