garizzalies said:OFFS. Arguing with a stat nerd is like arguing with a women. Oh, wait, you're a double-wammy.Eriul said:
You're right. You didn't call them horrible. They did on the bison forums. Thus my contradiction with stats.
As far as your math goes I invite you to try it again. See if you come up with a different result.
To put it simply... Our opponent average 193.216 ypg(That's really high). We allowed 184.666 ypg(obviously also really high). But those numbers directly contradict your statistics claim.
If you look directly at the ypg then you are getting a really false sense of our rush defense. That's why I included the ypc stat. The Weebs game as you listed they got 253. That's "inexcusable" to you but I don't think it was that horrible as they ran it 79% of the time(That's also really high.) And it's not like they were "gashing" us so they could keep running, 4.1 ypc is not that much(also below Weber's season average). For comparisons sake 4.1 ypc wouldn't even get you in the top 50 schools in the FCS. Did we lose that game? Sure. But it's not because of the rush defense. It was because we couldn't produce on offense and we allowed 2 turnovers while producing 0.
Obviously our rush defense is one of the weakest parts of our defense. I think an argument could be made that our safeties are slightly worse but it's all moot. The point is...it's not that bad. That's the only point I tried to make over on Bisonville when they suggested we were horrible at stopping the run.
So the math I did in my head might be off a few yards (there's another example of using stats to split hairs). The real point is we're talking about 4 games vs. 8--hello?--Double! These numbers should not even be close if we truly are "slightly above average". Instead, the stats show our run D is inconsistent.
i didn't make a "statistics claim." You did. I then used your stats to show it does not mean shit.
Your analysis re the weebs also makes no sense. If they're not in the top 50, how in the f*** did they rattle off 253 against us? They beat us on the ground. They needed points to beat us, they used the run to get points. Not hard.
I get your point (that our run D aint so bad) and I even agree with that, to an extent (its all relative and depends on the opponent). I guess the point I'm trying to make is that altho on paper we may look "slightly above average", we can be inconsistent, and that's not a good trait when facing the best running team in recent years, and certainly nothing to write home about. If you are inconsistent at something, that usually means you are not good at it.
I'll ignore the blatant sexism. Figured Griz fans were mostly above that but whatever. Guess you're the kind of guy that the University is being so annoying about recently.
As far as doing math in your head and using my numbers to prove they don't mean shit... the numbers that you were looking for were 292.5 and 190.2. So you got the second number right as the margin against us but you whiffed by about 100 on the first number...I don't think that is just an adding error in the head. Pretty sure you were trying to adjust the numbers in your favor. So next time you try to prove a point...don't blatantly lie
So now you want to analyze games with the 8-4 ratio. With that logic that is 66% of the time we are above average with 33% of the time being below average. None of the games are absolutely horrendous with the exception of possibly the PSU game but that is to be expected when your offense can't sustain a drive and only puts up 294 yards. So again...above average throughout the season. I don't know why you are so ridiculously upset about my claim that we are above average in the face of blatant statistics that prove that.
As far as the Weebs comment...you obviously didn't read my post well enough. You're too full of rage to comprehend basic logic. I clearly stated that the 4.1 ypc wouldn't put them in the top 50 in the FCS. Clearly that is meant for the ypc statistic, which if compared to the FCS would put them 63rd in the FCS in ypc. They put up so many yards on us because they ran the ball 61 times. There are only 2 teams in the FCS that average over 60 carries a game, Cal Poly and Citadel
As far as our run defense being consistent I would argue the exact opposite.We were within 100 yards of season averages for every team and teams that run a bunch ran a bunch on us. Kind of expected. No one wrote home saying our run defense was going to crush NDSU. No one claimed that. Will NDSU run it on us well? Probably. But we could possibly also stop them with our great LB's and dominate them in the air. Who knows until Saturday.
