I feel alone on here...........I think we're going to win this game. I'm confident this team is going to show up and beat these guys. So split hairs about rushing defense or offensive line play until you're blue in the face but Montana's going to win this game. They are playing very good football at the right time :thumb:
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Griz are 17 point dogs
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Bisonation
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since Wentz went out, NDSU returned to the old days of Ground and Pound and Pound some more.
The focus was put on the running game and the RAMS (Oline) were challenged and have stepped it up!.
NDSU will run and run and run on Saturday, no matter what.
The focus was put on the running game and the RAMS (Oline) were challenged and have stepped it up!.
NDSU will run and run and run on Saturday, no matter what.
The "Maroon Doom" Coming to Fargo this weekend. And now that Robert's has come of age it's simple. If they cover us wide, we go to the middle if they cover the middle we go wide, if they try to cover both we do what we want. Bison find out what a Griz Dynasty is all about this weekend.
garizzalies
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I never said our run D was "horrible." Not sure where you even got that quote; looks like you made it up. Maybe "bragging" was the wrong word, but when you go to another board to "tout" (does that word work better for you?) our run D, it sounds desperate or crazy. Actually, whenever someone uses stats to support their conclusion it looks suspect to me as the stats are so easy to manipulate. For instance, if you net the run figures above, the total margins over for those 4 games is greater than the total margins under for the other 8 games (192 > 189). So I can use your own stats against you to prove we gave up more than average. That is why I trust my own eyes over stats. Overall, the griz may be "slightly above average" (even tho your stats show a net of slightly below), but the griz can also have a horrible game (253 to the Weebs is beyond inexcusable). I believe our run D is the weakest link on our D, and I certainly would not go running my mouth to the contrary on the board of the greastest running team in recent FCS history. Not sure what your motivation would be to do that--just asking for a crow-pie to the face.Eriul said:
Bisonation said:
This is our challenge. It's not complicated. EVERY Griz possession will count. I think we will have to extend drives by going for it on 4th down. I also think Stitt will have to decide to forgo FGs to put the ball in the end zone. We are playing well right now, and Stitt knows the one-and-done stakes. I think it will be full of drama and excitement---wish this game was on ESPN for the masses to see, could be a classic.
Bisonation
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soldier. i agree. its a dam shame its on stupid espn3.com
You're right. You didn't call them horrible. They did on the bison forums. Thus my contradiction with stats.
As far as your math goes I invite you to try it again. See if you come up with a different result
.To put it simply... Our opponent average 193.216 ypg(That's really high). We allowed 184.666 ypg(obviously also really high). But those numbers directly contradict your statistics claim.
If you look directly at the ypg then you are getting a really false sense of our rush defense. That's why I included the ypc stat. The Weebs game as you listed they got 253. That's "inexcusable" to you but I don't think it was that horrible as they ran it 79% of the time(That's also really high.) And it's not like they were "gashing" us so they could keep running, 4.1 ypc is not that much(also below Weber's season average). For comparisons sake 4.1 ypc wouldn't even get you in the top 50 schools in the FCS. Did we lose that game? Sure. But it's not because of the rush defense. It was because we couldn't produce on offense and we allowed 2 turnovers while producing 0.
Obviously our rush defense is one of the weakest parts of our defense. I think an argument could be made that our safeties are slightly worse but it's all moot. The point is...it's not that bad. That's the only point I tried to make over on Bisonville when they suggested we were horrible at stopping the run.
ALPHAGRIZ1
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The Griz will win this gameGriz90 said:
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As I have said multiple times, I don't agree that our safeties are weak. Overall, they are pretty good and there's some depth. Some people try to blame blown coverages on the safeties, and while there have certainly been some, I believe some of the coverage mistakes came from players other than safeties. Just because the open receiver ends up in an area where you think a safety lined up or should have been, that doesn't mean that the receiver was supposed to be covered by a safety.
PlayerRep said:
Tbh I don't know enough about the safeties to fairly analyze them. I just hear people complain about it and I see a lot of touchdowns getting scored where I wonder where the safeties. I don't know enough to really blame them or anything. I know some people who would try and say our safeties are horrible but I don't think any of that is fair analysis.
garizzalies
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OFFS. Arguing with a stat nerd is like arguing with a women. Oh, wait, you're a double-wammy.Eriul said:
You're right. You didn't call them horrible. They did on the bison forums. Thus my contradiction with stats.
As far as your math goes I invite you to try it again. See if you come up with a different result
To put it simply... Our opponent average 193.216 ypg(That's really high). We allowed 184.666 ypg(obviously also really high). But those numbers directly contradict your statistics claim.
If you look directly at the ypg then you are getting a really false sense of our rush defense. That's why I included the ypc stat. The Weebs game as you listed they got 253. That's "inexcusable" to you but I don't think it was that horrible as they ran it 79% of the time(That's also really high.) And it's not like they were "gashing" us so they could keep running, 4.1 ypc is not that much(also below Weber's season average). For comparisons sake 4.1 ypc wouldn't even get you in the top 50 schools in the FCS. Did we lose that game? Sure. But it's not because of the rush defense. It was because we couldn't produce on offense and we allowed 2 turnovers while producing 0.
Obviously our rush defense is one of the weakest parts of our defense. I think an argument could be made that our safeties are slightly worse but it's all moot. The point is...it's not that bad. That's the only point I tried to make over on Bisonville when they suggested we were horrible at stopping the run.
So the math I did in my head might be off a few yards (there's another example of using stats to split hairs). The real point is we're talking about 4 games vs. 8--hello?--Double! These numbers should not even be close if we truly are "slightly above average". Instead, the stats show our run D is inconsistent.
i didn't make a "statistics claim." You did. I then used your stats to show it does not mean shit.
Your analysis re the weebs also makes no sense. If they're not in the top 50, how in the fuck did they rattle off 253 against us? They beat us on the ground. They needed points to beat us, they used the run to get points. Not hard.
I get your point (that our run D aint so bad) and I even agree with that, to an extent (its all relative and depends on the opponent). I guess the point I'm trying to make is that altho on paper we may look "slightly above average", we can be inconsistent, and that's not a good trait when facing the best running team in recent years, and certainly nothing to write home about. If you are inconsistent at something, that usually means you are not good at it.
ALPHAGRIZ1
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It's urinal......PlayerRep said:
ALPHAGRIZ1
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Must remind you of Ivy League football...........
Concerning Alpha1, I posted in another thread about his upcoming marriage. I mentioned it was being held in the Fargo Dome. What I did not know until today is this. He has hired a fake pastor to unite him and her and after all the fanfare he will continue to reside a single man. Wedding gifts? Ahh what a sneak play.
Oh about the game? I am calling it a 20 --19 score with Montana coming out on top.
Oh about the game? I am calling it a 20 --19 score with Montana coming out on top.
