Gregorak's coaching cost Griz the win versus Poly

[AZGrizFan]

In my opinion, I think simplistic answers in regards to stopping veer option teams, spread option teams are rarely executable in the way that they look on paper. We can criticize Gregorak for doing this or that in regards to stopping Poly on that last drive, but there is little in those criticisms that a ton of merit as I noted in a prior post.

First, veer option teams are difficult to scheme in a way to get desired predictable outcomes. In other words, if you call this play defensively then your are going to get this outcome. The common idea is if you blitz a guy off the edge, you are going to get the quarterback to give the football on dive. They don't have to run dive option, they can run speed option, or another of a myriad of play calls.

Now it obviously helps if you have the type of athletes that SEC teams employ, because in most cases they have not only skill but type of athletic advantage that allows you to defend option type teams by devoting your DL plus inside backers to stopping dive. This is of course the reason why running option at the NFL level in nearly impossible. The speed and strength negates the deception.

Moreover, Veer/man schemes are just sloppy reads for second level guys. There are in my estimation three types of reads for backers. Clean reads are those where if you read the guard you are going to know immediately where the play is headed. Soft Reads are those reads that generally take you to the football (think stretch). Cloudy Reads require play development to know truly where the football is going to go. There are so few reads at the second level against option teams that are Clean. In fact most of them are so cloudy, that unless you get your eyes to the second level for clarity, you might as well just guess. Moreover, the second level reads are just as cloudy because the f back doesn't always necessarily travel in the same path of the football.

Which I have always argued for holistic game plans against veer/wingt/option teams, that created secondary fail safes. The situation at the end of the game, the scheme didn't fail but rather Poly exposed a weakness within it. The answer is not one I would have employed because of the implicit risk involved. If you want to stop sweep/option you are going to have to commit to running a zero coverage on the perimeter and brought your safeties into the box. In that situation, not sure the risk worth the reward.

Others might have, but I think you allow the obvious pitch and rally to the sideline. That outside linebacker has to force pitch before he rallies. You can't always depend on the DE to employ that tactic there. The DE most likely is in inside out mode, and Cal Poly doesn't necessarily have to option the end either. They didn't a lot and you hope Crittenden is capable of stringing that option to the sideline without getting hooked. The DE and OLB can't give seams, because you don't want Brown running vertically through the secondary. That option is much scarier than a pitch that was strung all the way to the sideline.

You prevent the easy vertical release and protect on double move routes which is why the corners struggled to get back in on those plays. That means that OLB are going to be on a bit of an Island and they were. The other options would have vacated what the defense had done so well to that point. Remember, they forced a freshman kicker to boot at 50 yarder to win the game. I have said this before...and am repeating myself..

This from a class C high school assistant coach. Uh, Poly did not run the option on the last three plays. There was no fake to dive back, and threat of the QB to hit it off tackle. He simply ran a couple of steps towards the direction of the play and pitched the ball. So, all of your rhetoric meant nothing on the last three plays.

Dude. That is compete bullshit. I JUST rewatched the last three plays. On ALL THREE there was a fake to the dive back. On the 1st one Brown kept it off tackle for 2 yards and a first down. On the other two he faked to the dive back, then ran down the line and pitched out and the RB ran out of bounds.

 

[Grizfan-24]

ATL Griz:

You just can't merely say you disagree, you have to first discredit the guy, then burn down his house. As I have said before, and I will again, what is the point if I am a class C coach or not. I'm not, but whatever. This isn't pissing contest of who has the best freaking resume. Its a message board.

I was making a rare visit here and providing my perspective. People can disagree, just wanted to engage in the conversation. I don't think people should bow and kiss my feet. Just a damn perspective. Not to be taken as gospel.

But enough with this. Enjoy your evening.

 

[Hammer]

In my opinion, I think simplistic answers in regards to stopping veer option teams, spread option teams are rarely executable in the way that they look on paper. We can criticize Gregorak for doing this or that in regards to stopping Poly on that last drive, but there is little in those criticisms that a ton of merit as I noted in a prior post.

First, veer option teams are difficult to scheme in a way to get desired predictable outcomes. In other words, if you call this play defensively then your are going to get this outcome. The common idea is if you blitz a guy off the edge, you are going to get the quarterback to give the football on dive. They don't have to run dive option, they can run speed option, or another of a myriad of play calls.

Now it obviously helps if you have the type of athletes that SEC teams employ, because in most cases they have not only skill but type of athletic advantage that allows you to defend option type teams by devoting your DL plus inside backers to stopping dive. This is of course the reason why running option at the NFL level in nearly impossible. The speed and strength negates the deception.

Moreover, Veer/man schemes are just sloppy reads for second level guys. There are in my estimation three types of reads for backers. Clean reads are those where if you read the guard you are going to know immediately where the play is headed. Soft Reads are those reads that generally take you to the football (think stretch). Cloudy Reads require play development to know truly where the football is going to go. There are so few reads at the second level against option teams that are Clean. In fact most of them are so cloudy, that unless you get your eyes to the second level for clarity, you might as well just guess. Moreover, the second level reads are just as cloudy because the f back doesn't always necessarily travel in the same path of the football.

Which I have always argued for holistic game plans against veer/wingt/option teams, that created secondary fail safes. The situation at the end of the game, the scheme didn't fail but rather Poly exposed a weakness within it. The answer is not one I would have employed because of the implicit risk involved. If you want to stop sweep/option you are going to have to commit to running a zero coverage on the perimeter and brought your safeties into the box. In that situation, not sure the risk worth the reward.

Others might have, but I think you allow the obvious pitch and rally to the sideline. That outside linebacker has to force pitch before he rallies. You can't always depend on the DE to employ that tactic there. The DE most likely is in inside out mode, and Cal Poly doesn't necessarily have to option the end either. They didn't a lot and you hope Crittenden is capable of stringing that option to the sideline without getting hooked. The DE and OLB can't give seams, because you don't want Brown running vertically through the secondary. That option is much scarier than a pitch that was strung all the way to the sideline.

You prevent the easy vertical release and protect on double move routes which is why the corners struggled to get back in on those plays. That means that OLB are going to be on a bit of an Island and they were. The other options would have vacated what the defense had done so well to that point. Remember, they forced a freshman kicker to boot at 50 yarder to win the game. I have said this before...and am repeating myself..

This from a class C high school assistant coach. Uh, Poly did not run the option on the last three plays. There was no fake to dive back, and threat of the QB to hit it off tackle. He simply ran a couple of steps towards the direction of the play and pitched the ball. So, all of your rhetoric meant nothing on the last three plays.

Dude. That is compete bullshit. I JUST rewatched the last three plays. On ALL THREE there was a fake to the dive back. On the 1st one Brown kept it off tackle for 2 yards and a first down. On the other two he faked to the dive back, then ran down the line and pitched out and the RB ran out of bounds.

I watched them as well and agree. That's the real world tho, not the world growler lives in.

 

[Umista]

A mad man that listens to the game on the radio....or .....a guy that watches the game on TV while sitting on an over stuffed chair in a mental ward? Just wondering whom that describes? Just curious.

 

[EverettGriz]

Do the coaches wear the same jock straps as the coaches?

Uhhh, I'm going to go with yes on that one. :?

 

[RobGriz]

Do the coaches wear the same jock straps as the coaches?

Uhhh, I'm going to go with yes on that one. :?

Seems legit.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Do the coaches wear the same jock straps as the coaches?

Uhhh, I'm going to go with yes on that one. :?

Next we'll hear all about how the players wear the same pants as the players. Typical non-football post by a minion wishing that he'd accomplished 1/3 of what Dillion Harper has accomplished.

 

[bgbigdog]

Do the coaches wear the same jock straps as the coaches?

Uhhh, I'm going to go with yes on that one. :?

Seems legit.

What... What? Nobody wears those now. I think Universal's the only place you can get them anymore. Right next to the state college gear. Never mind.

 

[AZGrizFan]

In my opinion, I think simplistic answers in regards to stopping veer option teams, spread option teams are rarely executable in the way that they look on paper. We can criticize Gregorak for doing this or that in regards to stopping Poly on that last drive, but there is little in those criticisms that a ton of merit as I noted in a prior post.

First, veer option teams are difficult to scheme in a way to get desired predictable outcomes. In other words, if you call this play defensively then your are going to get this outcome. The common idea is if you blitz a guy off the edge, you are going to get the quarterback to give the football on dive. They don't have to run dive option, they can run speed option, or another of a myriad of play calls.

Now it obviously helps if you have the type of athletes that SEC teams employ, because in most cases they have not only skill but type of athletic advantage that allows you to defend option type teams by devoting your DL plus inside backers to stopping dive. This is of course the reason why running option at the NFL level in nearly impossible. The speed and strength negates the deception.

Moreover, Veer/man schemes are just sloppy reads for second level guys. There are in my estimation three types of reads for backers. Clean reads are those where if you read the guard you are going to know immediately where the play is headed. Soft Reads are those reads that generally take you to the football (think stretch). Cloudy Reads require play development to know truly where the football is going to go. There are so few reads at the second level against option teams that are Clean. In fact most of them are so cloudy, that unless you get your eyes to the second level for clarity, you might as well just guess. Moreover, the second level reads are just as cloudy because the f back doesn't always necessarily travel in the same path of the football.

Which I have always argued for holistic game plans against veer/wingt/option teams, that created secondary fail safes. The situation at the end of the game, the scheme didn't fail but rather Poly exposed a weakness within it. The answer is not one I would have employed because of the implicit risk involved. If you want to stop sweep/option you are going to have to commit to running a zero coverage on the perimeter and brought your safeties into the box. In that situation, not sure the risk worth the reward.

Others might have, but I think you allow the obvious pitch and rally to the sideline. That outside linebacker has to force pitch before he rallies. You can't always depend on the DE to employ that tactic there. The DE most likely is in inside out mode, and Cal Poly doesn't necessarily have to option the end either. They didn't a lot and you hope Crittenden is capable of stringing that option to the sideline without getting hooked. The DE and OLB can't give seams, because you don't want Brown running vertically through the secondary. That option is much scarier than a pitch that was strung all the way to the sideline.

You prevent the easy vertical release and protect on double move routes which is why the corners struggled to get back in on those plays. That means that OLB are going to be on a bit of an Island and they were. The other options would have vacated what the defense had done so well to that point. Remember, they forced a freshman kicker to boot at 50 yarder to win the game. I have said this before...and am repeating myself..

This from a class C high school assistant coach. Uh, Poly did not run the option on the last three plays. There was no fake to dive back, and threat of the QB to hit it off tackle. He simply ran a couple of steps towards the direction of the play and pitched the ball. So, all of your rhetoric meant nothing on the last three plays.

Dude. That is compete bullshit. I JUST rewatched the last three plays. On ALL THREE there was a fake to the dive back. On the 1st one Brown kept it off tackle for 2 yards and a first down. On the other two he faked to the dive back, then ran down the line and pitched out and the RB ran out of bounds.

I watched them as well and agree. That's the real world tho, not the world growler lives in.

This is about the 10th time I've called this jagoff on a bold-faced lie...what's funny is he always disappears for a day or two, then comes back and NEVER addresses his lies...what's hilarious is why in the WORLD would you make a statement like that when anybody with a brainstem could just go back and watch the game film and see that you're a retard. Not that we needed any additional proof in Growler's case...

 

[Grizfan-24]

This is about the 10th time I've called this jagoff on a bold-faced lie...what's funny is he always disappears for a day or two, then comes back and NEVER addresses his lies...what's hilarious is why in the WORLD would you make a statement like that when anybody with a brainstem could just go back and watch the game film and see that you're a retard. Not that we needed any additional proof in Growler's case...

I take his stuff with a grain of salt most of the time. There are moments were he finds a way under my skin. For his scorched earth policy, you can find within it an obvious understanding of the game. But the nuclear bomb approach to communication does leave something to be desired.

In any case, so how about this bye week? Hear they are a great program, good tradition and fan base.

 

[grizcountry420]

In my opinion, I think simplistic answers in regards to stopping veer option teams, spread option teams are rarely executable in the way that they look on paper. We can criticize Gregorak for doing this or that in regards to stopping Poly on that last drive, but there is little in those criticisms that a ton of merit as I noted in a prior post.

First, veer option teams are difficult to scheme in a way to get desired predictable outcomes. In other words, if you call this play defensively then your are going to get this outcome. The common idea is if you blitz a guy off the edge, you are going to get the quarterback to give the football on dive. They don't have to run dive option, they can run speed option, or another of a myriad of play calls.

Now it obviously helps if you have the type of athletes that SEC teams employ, because in most cases they have not only skill but type of athletic advantage that allows you to defend option type teams by devoting your DL plus inside backers to stopping dive. This is of course the reason why running option at the NFL level in nearly impossible. The speed and strength negates the deception.

Moreover, Veer/man schemes are just sloppy reads for second level guys. There are in my estimation three types of reads for backers. Clean reads are those where if you read the guard you are going to know immediately where the play is headed. Soft Reads are those reads that generally take you to the football (think stretch). Cloudy Reads require play development to know truly where the football is going to go. There are so few reads at the second level against option teams that are Clean. In fact most of them are so cloudy, that unless you get your eyes to the second level for clarity, you might as well just guess. Moreover, the second level reads are just as cloudy because the f back doesn't always necessarily travel in the same path of the football.

Which I have always argued for holistic game plans against veer/wingt/option teams, that created secondary fail safes. The situation at the end of the game, the scheme didn't fail but rather Poly exposed a weakness within it. The answer is not one I would have employed because of the implicit risk involved. If you want to stop sweep/option you are going to have to commit to running a zero coverage on the perimeter and brought your safeties into the box. In that situation, not sure the risk worth the reward.

Others might have, but I think you allow the obvious pitch and rally to the sideline. That outside linebacker has to force pitch before he rallies. You can't always depend on the DE to employ that tactic there. The DE most likely is in inside out mode, and Cal Poly doesn't necessarily have to option the end either. They didn't a lot and you hope Crittenden is capable of stringing that option to the sideline without getting hooked. The DE and OLB can't give seams, because you don't want Brown running vertically through the secondary. That option is much scarier than a pitch that was strung all the way to the sideline.

You prevent the easy vertical release and protect on double move routes which is why the corners struggled to get back in on those plays. That means that OLB are going to be on a bit of an Island and they were. The other options would have vacated what the defense had done so well to that point. Remember, they forced a freshman kicker to boot at 50 yarder to win the game. I have said this before...and am repeating myself..

This from a class C high school assistant coach. Uh, Poly did not run the option on the last three plays. There was no fake to dive back, and threat of the QB to hit it off tackle. He simply ran a couple of steps towards the direction of the play and pitched the ball. So, all of your rhetoric meant nothing on the last three plays.

There is a reason why good posters like Grizfan-24 don't post here often. Its because of fvck sticks like you who think they know everything. This dude runs circles around your pompous arrogant inflamed cancer ridden ass! Its probably time you should get over yourself and just take a break from here. There is not ONE poster on this forum that likes the drivel you type on this board! You're just an old lonely grumpy turd! Just go away!!

 

[zirge]

first bold statement.......this said and being focused on the few end plays, not the entire system, it appears from being at the game and observing the entirety of the offensive formation, time and place in that moment of the game, that they were not going to pass or run the middle with a keeper etc. so a myriad of plays does pertain to the system, i honestly believe it did not in this circumstance.

second bold statement........i thought we had the speed and strength in gamboa, kose, van and yamen

third bold statement..........isn't going for it on 4th several times a game running this same risk aspect on offense. if so, why not the defense risk on occasion as well..........this would have been an opportune time. you may say no, because doing this we are risking a td to lose the game.......you know what i have to say about that is we lost anyway, even if it was a 49 yarder, it was a risk that they would not make it.
so if prevent is a way to negate risk then it has to protect the field goal as well. ie less yardage gain period.

I don't disagree with the assessment or the likelihood of them attacking the periphery versus the middle of the field because of time and space. I don't know what Gregorak's simple adjustment would have been, but there are obvious options that while logical would have been significant deviations from the game plan. Do you implement a 2 minute strategy in that situation during the week? Maybe.

My personal experience is that the fundamental reason that prevent defenses typically fail isn't the space they give up, is that players don't work very quickly within because it isn't intuitive. Did that situation lend for a three front? Maybe. Hindsight is definitely 20/20.

The speed concept does resonate. I don't dispute that our three or even four potential second level guys probably have the ability to play box versus spill. Poly did deviate from their strategy and put three guys into patterns on those plays and still ran the speed option. As I noted before that my concern would be giving up twenty yard gashes by brown. Box techinque because you need support help and flow to football does lend for natural running lanes. Not saying that it isn't possible or even executable, but again unless you worked on that philosophy in practice all week it is a bit of a deviation from what Gregorak was trying to do against that offense the whole game.

Third and like I said, it isn't in that situation something that I would do. I know that a lot of coaches probably would have risked man coverage with brown in space. I guess with that time, I wouldn't have given up the cheapie. I just wouldn't want my DB peeking back with brown in space. Just my opinion. Not to say that it is a valid option there.[/quote]

again, thank you for your attention and dialog on this one aspect of last weeks game and teaching me more about the challenges of defending the triple option. completely sane exchange.......thanks.
also want to respond in the same way to AG1's last post to me, very good exchange of knowledge and dialog.......thanks.

 

[NewPapaBear]

I just watched the replay on Altitude of the last 10 minutes of the Cal Poly game. It clearly shows that Ty's lack of coaching his defenders in the final minute cost us the game, contrary to what Playa Rape lied about to protect his coaching buddy.

Playa accuses me of making up stuff, but it is HE who is caught making up stuff. I encourage any fan who TIVO'ed the game to watch the final two minutes. At the 0.34 minute mark, POLY was still 15 -18 yards away from trying a 49-yard FG for the win. They had no way to stop the clock, having used all 3 TOs. The ONLY way they could hope to stop the clock long enough to get their FG unit into the game, was to go out-of-bounds.

If they force the Poly QB to run the ball, instead of pitching it wide so that the back could go out-of-bounds to stop the clock, the game is over.... with the clock running and with no way to get the FG team on the field. But, instead of calling a TO, and instructing his defenders to take away the pitch thus preventing the RB from stopping the clock, he watches from the sideline while Poly ran three consecutive outside pitch plays, each gaining 4-7 yards, stopping the clock, and getting them into FG position. None of them took more that 6-7 seconds. Any play being stopped in the playing field ends the game. PERIOD!

Playa Rape made excuses for not keeping the runner in-bounds by saying that the Poly WR's took the CBs deep. This is simply not true. Watch the re-play, as I did over-and-over again. Key on what the wide receivers were doing on the last three plays before the FG. They were blocking for the pitch back, and NOT going down the field. Ty blew it. Any D-coordinator worth his salt would have called TO to make sure his charges knew what to do, instead of just allowing Poly to do the same thing 3 straight downs to get them into position for the game-winning FG. Just sayin'.

The same Poly QB who torched us last year with inside runs, right? That guy? Yep. Brown would have most likely gained even more yards with a defense guarding the edge and presumably having just 1 defender, the middle linebacker covering the whole middle of the field.

That's a recipie for a 10, 15, or more yard gain. Then they've got a first down, clock stops, spike the ball, chip shot field goal.

The title of this thread is just plain dumb. The defense did all it could the whole game to keep us in it. It even gave us the lead.

If Gregorak protects the edge and the pitch a Brown burns us up the gut for even more yards. That's Exactly what he did last year.

:thumb:

AG1 must have a "Makita" logo as a birth mark...only a tool would state such non-sense! Loss to Poly was due to this thing called TURNOVERS every week the team that wins this statistical battle normally wins game at a rate of what is now nearly 85% of the time!

If you hold a team to 20pts in todays world in this game called college football...you should win more then your share of game & be a national contender EVERY year. I agree w Brint!

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

No fake to the dive back on the last three plays. Watch it again.

 

[AZGrizFan]

No fake to the dive back on the last three plays. Watch it again.

Good lord. Are you fucking blind?

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

No fake to the dive back on the last three plays. Watch it again.

Good lord. Are you f***[*] blind?

Not blind, but the QB did nor put the rock into the belly of the dive back like he does when they are really running the triple option. He made a half-hearted fake, then ran wide for the pitch. I don't know why you keep harping on this. Every Griz fan I know agrees that we could have tackled the RB in bounds and ended the game with the proper defense called by our coach. The rest is academic. Frankly, I am done with it. It is over, and let's move on.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Oh, and I want to go on record in this post in saying that Ben Roberts will either start next week, or be in the line-up for more plays than the guy who has been starting. If I am wrong on this, I will eat crow. But Roberts is one of the best 3 WRs we have, and is too good to ride the pines. He will be a started before the season is over. Hopefully next week. But no matter he will be on the field a significant number of plays, no matter what Wally says.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I just watched the replay on Altitude of the last 10 minutes of the Cal Poly game. It clearly shows that Ty's lack of coaching his defenders in the final minute cost us the game, contrary to what Playa Rape lied about to protect his coaching buddy.

Playa accuses me of making up stuff, but it is HE who is caught making up stuff. I encourage any fan who TIVO'ed the game to watch the final two minutes. At the 0.34 minute mark, POLY was still 15 -18 yards away from trying a 49-yard FG for the win. They had no way to stop the clock, having used all 3 TOs. The ONLY way they could hope to stop the clock long enough to get their FG unit into the game, was to go out-of-bounds.

If they force the Poly QB to run the ball, instead of pitching it wide so that the back could go out-of-bounds to stop the clock, the game is over.... with the clock running and with no way to get the FG team on the field. But, instead of calling a TO, and instructing his defenders to take away the pitch thus preventing the RB from stopping the clock, he watches from the sideline while Poly ran three consecutive outside pitch plays, each gaining 4-7 yards, stopping the clock, and getting them into FG position. None of them took more that 6-7 seconds. Any play being stopped in the playing field ends the game. PERIOD!

Playa Rape made excuses for not keeping the runner in-bounds by saying that the Poly WR's took the CBs deep. This is simply not true. Watch the re-play, as I did over-and-over again. Key on what the wide receivers were doing on the last three plays before the FG. They were blocking for the pitch back, and NOT going down the field. Ty blew it. Any D-coordinator worth his salt would have called TO to make sure his charges knew what to do, instead of just allowing Poly to do the same thing 3 straight downs to get them into position for the game-winning FG. Just sayin'.

The same Poly QB who torched us last year with inside runs, right? That guy? Yep. Brown would have most likely gained even more yards with a defense guarding the edge and presumably having just 1 defender, the middle linebacker covering the whole middle of the field.

That's a recipie for a 10, 15, or more yard gain. Then they've got a first down, clock stops, spike the ball, chip shot field goal.

The title of this thread is just plain dumb. The defense did all it could the whole game to keep us in it. It even gave us the lead.

If Gregorak protects the edge and the pitch a Brown burns us up the gut for even more yards. That's Exactly what he did last year.

:thumb:

AG1 must have a "Makita" logo as a birth mark...only a tool would state such non-sense! Loss to Poly was due to this thing called TURNOVERS every week the team that wins this statistical battle normally wins game at a rate of what is now nearly 85% of the time!

If you hold a team to 20pts in todays world in this game called college football...you should win more then your share of game & be a national contender EVERY year. I agree w Brint!

Go back to sleep. We had the game won, and 90% of teams in the same situation as we were during the last 37 seconds would have won the game. Coaching 101.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I have watched the last two minutes of this game over and over. I think Poly's final drive was more a result of great execution by Poly then a poor scheme by TG. In fact, Poly played flawless football from the 4th down stop on until the final FG. The Poly O is designed to get 3 yards in it's sleep so it's difficult to stop them from doing that IMO. On the pitches, the Poly backs ran strait for the sidelines which is difficult to stop. Plus they had a couple of successful pass plays on that final drive that helped them greatly. To Growlers point on playing the pitch to force the runner inside in an effort to run the clock, it was interesting that the announcer, Coach Delaney, did comment on that by saying " coach Ty, at some point, will have to play to stop the pitch and keep the runner in bounds". This obviously gives some validity to Growler's point. But in reality, UM's 4th down debacle set up Poly's final drive and gave them hope....

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I have watched the last two minutes of this game over and over. I think Poly's final drive was more a result of great execution by Poly then a poor scheme by TG. In fact, Poly played flawless football from the 4th down stop on until the final FG. The Poly O is designed to get 3 yards in it's sleep so it's difficult to stop them from doing that IMO. On the pitches, the Poly backs ran strait for the sidelines which is difficult to stop. Plus they had a couple of successful pass plays on that final drive that helped them greatly. To Growlers point on playing the pitch to force the runner inside in an effort to run the clock, it was interesting that the announcer, Coach Delaney, did comment on that by saying " coach Ty, at some point, will have to play to stop the pitch and keep the runner in bounds". This obviously gives some validity to Growler's point. But in reality, UM's 4th down debacle set up Poly's final drive and gave them hope....

Good post, but a couple of points. First, yes the Poly pitch backs ran hard for the sidelines, but gained positive yardage each time before running out-of-bounds. If you KNOW they are going to run wide, why can't you stop them for a loss, or tackle them before they go out of bounds? They got good yardage every down. Second, It is not my point that matters. Every Griz fan I have talked to since the game, including 4 previous players, has said that Ty could have stopped that pitch run if he had called time out and adjusted the defense. Everyone in the stands knew what Poly was doing in the last minute of play. They had no other options than to go wide to be able to stop the clock and get their FG team on the field. It is the majority of Griz nation that agrees with me. Only the substantial contingency of pedestrian fans who dominate this board with sugar fail to get it.

It is over, let's move on. Liberty awaits.