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Dismissal catches UM alum off guard

10:00 PM, Mar. 29, 2012 | 4 Comments


The Great Falls football community reacted with shock and awe Thursday to the news that University of Montana Athletic Director Jim O'Day and head football coach Robin Pflugrad had been fired.

Doug Sexe, Bob Bronson and Jack Johnson said yes, they were stunned.

And Dave Dickenson said no, he isn't interested in becoming the next football field boss in Missoula.

"It's a tough place to coach," he said.

That never seemed more true than Thursday morning when UM President Royce Engstrom dismissed O'Day, the Cut Bank native who had served seven years as AD, and Pflugrad, the reigning Big Sky Conference Coach of the Year who led the Grizzlies last fall to the league title and the Football Championship Subdivision playoffs.

Great Falls businessmen Sexe and Bronson are former Grizzly athletes and longtime members of the local UM booster club, the Grizzly Scholarship Association.

"It's tough, but it is what it is," Bronson said. "We all have to wait until it all shakes out to really make a judgment on what's happened. And then we can all move forward."

Said Sexe: "It's a sad day for Grizzly athletics."

Engstrom did not give a reason for the dismissals in a statement. The university recently has investigated a series of sexual assaults, some of them allegedly involving UM athletes. Starting quarterback Jordan Johnson was accused of such a crime recently; he denies the charge.

Johnson received a civil no-contact order after a UM student filed a police report. No charges were filed against the quarterback, and he returned to practice Saturday. Afterward in a statement, Pflugrad, who compiled a record of 18-7 in two years as head coach, applauded Johnson's "character and tremendous moral fiber."

Several other football players have been in trouble with the law in the last year.

"From my perspective, I don't think Pflugrad or O'Day were caught up in any of the antics or knew anything about it," said Sexe, a former C.M. Russell High sports star and UM linebacker. "But I guess you're guilty by association. When bad things like that happen, they look at the people in charge. And heads roll."

O'Day said he was given no specific reason for the firings and that he had no knowledge of any possible NCAA violations or other problems within the UM program.

"We've gone through a couple of tough situations, and each one has taken a toll," said O'Day, who was hired as athletic director in 2005, moving up from director of development for UM intercollegiate athletics after Don Read retired. "It's time for me to regroup, maybe find some new energy or new challenges. We'll see what's in store.

"It's a tough profession. ... I guess the president just felt he needed a change in the athletic and the football program."

Was it fair?

"I'd rather not comment on that," O'Day said.

CMR's Johnson, the state's winningest prep football coach, said it was disappointing news.

"Robin's a good friend, and so is Jim O'Day," Johnson said. "It upsets me. ... It's bad timing, but I guess there's never good timing for something like this."

Greg Sundberg is a Great Falls native who is executive director of the Grizzly Scholarship Association. He was at the staff meeting Thursday morning when Engstrom informed UM employees.

"We're losing two great Grizzlies, who both held the institution and the student-athletes in high regard," Sundberg said. "What we have to focus on now is to go forward and produce what President Engstrom would like to see. ... We've been knocked to the ground, and we have to get up."

Bronson, a Havre native who ran track for the Grizzlies and has two daughters who were also UM athletes, said many fans are seeking answers.

"I think a lot of people were stunned, including the ones who were let go," Bronson said. "Jim's a personal friend of mine, so it's really tough. And besides I think he did a heckuva good job. And Robin has always been a good friend, too ...

"It's so sudden and so quick. This will take a couple of days to sink in."

The news traveled fast throughout Montana and beyond. Dickenson, the former great CMR and Grizzly quarterback who is now offensive coordinator of the Calgary Stampeders in the Canadian Football League, said his phone was blowing up Thursday afternoon.

"I don't know the reasoning (for the firings), but I've got nothing but good to say about Pflu and Jim," Dickenson said. "I think they're both good people, and they've both done a great job. ... It's just too bad."

Dickenson is aware that the UM program has received some bad publicity of late following the arrests of some players and sexual allegations leveled against others.

"There's always going to be a certain amount of bad things that happen. It's college kids," Dickenson said. "It's how you deal with those things that matters: Do you cut guys right away or show a little bit of compassion at times?

"Certainly anyone can make a mistake, but how much do you hold a kid responsible? That's one of the advantages for me right now: I'm not coaching in college. When you're coaching men, you're not as likely to have these issues. And if you do, you just cut them or release them.

"But as a college coach, I think you're somewhat responsible to form and shape these young men for later on. You have to have a little leniency with them."

Dickenson said he does not anticipate being a candidate for the coaching vacancy.

"Not at this point, no," he said. "I'm a little bit away from the college game, and I like what I'm doing right now. ... When I get a little older, I'd like to move back to Montana, but I think the next head coach there has to be fairly adept on understanding all the NCAA rules and violations, and I just don't have that now. I would hope most of current staff can remain."

Engstrom's statement indicated an interim AD and head coach will be named soon as the Grizzlies continue spring practice.

O'Day, who called the Tribune while on an airplane bound for the NCAA Final Four in New Orleans, said he realized two things before taking the job.

"I knew what I was getting into," he said. "You get hired, and you get fired."

He didn't expect the latter Thursday morning, though, when he and Pflugrad were summoned to a meeting with Engstrom, a Nebraska native with a doctorate in analytical chemistry from the University of Wisconsin who was named UM president in October 2010.

"We were both shocked and stunned," O'Day said.

He was asked if he had regrets.

"No, but I need some time to think about it," O'Day said. "I need some time to reflect."

O'Day, whose family owned the Western Breeze newspaper in Cut Bank for many years, graduated from UM with a journalism degree and has been a Grizzly fan most of his life.

"I still will be," he said. "But things happen, and I believe everything happens for a reason."
 
"We're losing two great Grizzlies, who both held the institution and the student-athletes in high regard," Sundberg said. "What we have to focus on now is to go forward and produce what President Engstrom would like to see. ... We've been knocked to the ground, and we have to get up."

I'm glad to see that somebody on the staff gets it. This is an athletic program as part of a university. It is a student-athlete program, not athlete-student.

The president of the University of Montana has a vision for how the institution should be represented. Like Greg says, it's about producing what Engstrom envisions. This doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree with Engstrom's actions - but you do have to work within what the leader of this institution demands.

One has to believe that Engstrom wants the best for the University of Montana. All of the institution - not just one of the programs within the athletic department. Is his approach correct? Nobody can answer that with certainty at this point. Is it the direction that has been decided? Yes.

The University in general needs support more than ever. Many of those on eGriz are fans of the University of Montana football program. Keep that in perspective, the University of Montana comes ahead of the football program for a reason.
 
Gymrat, I agree with what you're saying about how Engstrom has set the direction and like it or not, griz nation is now on a new path. I'm not sure I understood you though when you say 'someone gets it'. If you're saying Sundberg gets it, then I'd be in disagreement. He's known amongst my friends (Cats and griz) as Greg oDay sundberg. That dude has his head so freaking far up oDays a$$ that he could tell you what toothpaste Jim uses everyday. It sounds like Engstrom stuck his hand up Sundbergs butt and yanked him out of oDays butt and is now Sundbergs puppet master. I'm certain that fat greg is too stupid to talk for himself. He is saying to the press EXACTLY what he was told to say by Engstrom.

Glad to hear Davey Dick has no interest in the HC job at um. Hate him but respected him. Don't fear what he could bring but glad for his sake that he wouldn't want his name tarnished or beaten to death in the fishbowl of a gig that being the HC in stinky-town is.
 
It is about the 4 years of free education that scholarships bring to the table. A student player does represent the institution regardless of ware they go and are always subject to close inspection. Players number one resposibility is to academics, then their citizenship and proper behavior, then their sport. It can not be otherwise unless everyone believes life values are always negotiable depending on the circumstance. For players on scholarship there can never any gray areas, as was once told to me if you find yourself in an compromised situation, what steps did YOU take to put Yourself there? If you don't every run with the dogs, you will never learn to bark. Value what has been given you and the opportunity for a better life as a result of being a student athlete, if you truely do then gratitude will keep your nose clean.
 
Academic Scholarships need to be under the same criteria using your logic. If state tax money is paying for tuition and you want to set standards they need to cover ALL scholarships. Doing otherwise is a double standard, which is what we have currently.

The guidelines the University set for Athletic scholarships need to be applied to all scholarships given as both athletes AND academic students represent UM. Any accusation against a full ride academic student of a transgression or crime is no less serious than a football player accused of the same thing. Time to stop supporting double standards.

Getting a great coach to come to UM now is going be damn near impossible given the climate of fear and anger Royce Engstrom has created.
 
Tokyogriz said:
Getting a great coach to come to UM now is going be damn near impossible given the climate of fear and anger Royce Engstrom has created.

Hey there chicken little, lay down the crack pipe and chill out a bit. If you honestly think that NOT ONE person with coaching abilities up to YOUR standards will apply for the HC job, you're an idiot. There are always people in the world that are looking to better themselves.
You turds will be just fine. You may even get as lucky as the Cats with a Rob Ash type guy. That guy has high moral fiber!
 
m616s6e said:
"There's always going to be a certain amount of bad things that happen. It's college kids," Dickenson said. "It's how you deal with those things that matters: Do you cut guys right away or show a little bit of compassion at times?

"Certainly anyone can make a mistake, but how much do you hold a kid responsible? That's one of the advantages for me right now: I'm not coaching in college. When you're coaching men, you're not as likely to have these issues. And if you do, you just cut them or release them.

"But as a college coach, I think you're somewhat responsible to form and shape these young men for later on. You have to have a little leniency with them."

Pflu took that "leniency" to a whole new level. :?
 
ATLCAT said:
Tokyogriz said:
Getting a great coach to come to UM now is going be damn near impossible given the climate of fear and anger Royce Engstrom has created.

Hey there chicken little, lay down the crack pipe and chill out a bit. If you honestly think that NOT ONE person with coaching abilities up to YOUR standards will apply for the HC job, you're an idiot. There are always people in the world that are looking to better themselves.
You turds will be just fine. You may even get as lucky as the Cats with a Rob Ash type guy. That guy has high moral fiber!


Speaking of crack pipes. You may even get lucky as the Cats with a Rob Ash type guy. You are a friggin comedian. Dig a little and just under the surface there are quite a few incidents with your players. You better just shut your hole and pray to God nothing pops up on your campus. By the way - I would consider Rob Ash sub par given the time he has been with the program and the number of playoff wins he has (or does not have - your choice). Enjoy our misery while you can - I agree with you that the Griz will be just fine and kicking your ass again real soon. Relax Tokyogriz - there are many qualified coaches and we will have another one in due time.
 
ATLCAT said:
Gymrat, I agree with what you're saying about how Engstrom has set the direction and like it or not, griz nation is now on a new path. I'm not sure I understood you though when you say 'someone gets it'. If you're saying Sundberg gets it, then I'd be in disagreement. He's known amongst my friends (Cats and griz) as Greg oDay sundberg. That dude has his head so freaking far up oDays a$$ that he could tell you what toothpaste Jim uses everyday. It sounds like Engstrom stuck his hand up Sundbergs butt and yanked him out of oDays butt and is now Sundbergs puppet master. I'm certain that fat greg is too stupid to talk for himself. He is saying to the press EXACTLY what he was told to say by Engstrom.

Glad to hear Davey Dick has no interest in the HC job at um. Hate him but respected him. Don't fear what he could bring but glad for his sake that he wouldn't want his name tarnished or beaten to death in the fishbowl of a gig that being the HC in stinky-town is.


DD apparently wouldn't last too long anyways....showing compassion to men who haven't been charged with anything would not go very far with all the dumb fucks in this country.
 
ATLCAT said:
Tokyogriz said:
Getting a great coach to come to UM now is going be damn near impossible given the climate of fear and anger Royce Engstrom has created.

Hey there chicken little, lay down the crack pipe and chill out a bit. If you honestly think that NOT ONE person with coaching abilities up to YOUR standards will apply for the HC job, you're an idiot. There are always people in the world that are looking to better themselves.
You turds will be just fine. You may even get as lucky as the Cats with a Rob Ash type guy. That guy has high moral fiber!


Rob Ash type guy would be the death of this program....that dude sucks balls.
 
ATLCAT said:
Gymrat, I agree with what you're saying about how Engstrom has set the direction and like it or not, griz nation is now on a new path. I'm not sure I understood you though when you say 'someone gets it'. If you're saying Sundberg gets it, then I'd be in disagreement. He's known amongst my friends (Cats and griz) as Greg oDay sundberg. That dude has his head so freaking far up oDays a$$ that he could tell you what toothpaste Jim uses everyday. It sounds like Engstrom stuck his hand up Sundbergs butt and yanked him out of oDays butt and is now Sundbergs puppet master. I'm certain that fat greg is too stupid to talk for himself. He is saying to the press EXACTLY what he was told to say by Engstrom.

You may be right. But I think you could also interpret this as Sundberg is a loyal employee to the University. He worked to support O'Day since he was a designated leader. Now that you have Engstrom taking charge of the situation, Greg followed suit. You can call this as Greg not talking for himself, but I see it more of him being a good soldier following whoever is in command. I can respect someone who supports those he works for. These are the type of people who make a difference in all organizations. They respond to change by getting on board and not letting the old ways turn them into a resisting force.
 
So do you think Engstrom told Sundberg to say this:

"We've been knocked to the ground, and we have to get up."

It looks like he's saying that Engstrom's decision just knocked them to the ground. I can understand him saying that, because I assume that that's the way the athletic dept feels.
 
Hey there copper, you must not be much of a historian. Ash pulled the Cats out of all kinds of turmoil and academic hell to be a team that has posted more consecutive winning seasons than 95% of fcs football. Is there an occasional hiccup? There will be with every program in the country. I'm just fine with the job that he's done since he's been at MSU. Beating the griz or losing to you turds, doesn't define our season. If it did, we'd all have 'gone Postal' by now. (Sorry, that may be a phrase you don't understand).
 
stubbins said:
ATLCAT said:
Gymrat, I agree with what you're saying about how Engstrom has set the direction and like it or not, griz nation is now on a new path. I'm not sure I understood you though when you say 'someone gets it'. If you're saying Sundberg gets it, then I'd be in disagreement. He's known amongst my friends (Cats and griz) as Greg oDay sundberg. That dude has his head so freaking far up oDays a$$ that he could tell you what toothpaste Jim uses everyday. It sounds like Engstrom stuck his hand up Sundbergs butt and yanked him out of oDays butt and is now Sundbergs puppet master. I'm certain that fat greg is too stupid to talk for himself. He is saying to the press EXACTLY what he was told to say by Engstrom.

Glad to hear Davey Dick has no interest in the HC job at um. Hate him but respected him. Don't fear what he could bring but glad for his sake that he wouldn't want his name tarnished or beaten to death in the fishbowl of a gig that being the HC in stinky-town is.


DD apparently wouldn't last too long anyways....showing compassion to men who haven't been charged with anything would not go very far with all the dumb fucks in this country.

You're starting to sound as stupid as Tokyo. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
AZGrizFan said:
stubbins said:
ATLCAT said:
Gymrat, I agree with what you're saying about how Engstrom has set the direction and like it or not, griz nation is now on a new path. I'm not sure I understood you though when you say 'someone gets it'. If you're saying Sundberg gets it, then I'd be in disagreement. He's known amongst my friends (Cats and griz) as Greg oDay sundberg. That dude has his head so freaking far up oDays a$$ that he could tell you what toothpaste Jim uses everyday. It sounds like Engstrom stuck his hand up Sundbergs butt and yanked him out of oDays butt and is now Sundbergs puppet master. I'm certain that fat greg is too stupid to talk for himself. He is saying to the press EXACTLY what he was told to say by Engstrom.

Glad to hear Davey Dick has no interest in the HC job at um. Hate him but respected him. Don't fear what he could bring but glad for his sake that he wouldn't want his name tarnished or beaten to death in the fishbowl of a gig that being the HC in stinky-town is.


DD apparently wouldn't last too long anyways....showing compassion to men who haven't been charged with anything would not go very far with all the dumb f***[*] in this country.

You're starting to sound as stupid as Tokyo. :roll: :roll: :roll:


oh well :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
ATLCAT said:
Hey there copper, you must not be much of a historian. Ash pulled the Cats out of all kinds of turmoil and academic hell to be a team that has posted more consecutive winning seasons than 95% of fcs football. Is there an occasional hiccup? There will be with every program in the country. I'm just fine with the job that he's done since he's been at MSU. Beating the griz or losing to you turds, doesn't define our season. If it did, we'd all have 'gone Postal' by now. (Sorry, that may be a phrase you don't understand).
That beatdown you took in your own yard by Montana went a long way to defining your season.
 
Dickenson said
When I get a little older, I'd like to move back to Montana, but I think the next head coach there has to be fairly adept on understanding all the NCAA rules and violations, and I just don't have that now.
that is the best sentence i've read on here since the shit went down, as it gave me the most hope. DD's what, 40? are we talking retirement age before he comes home? god damn, the second coming is taking forever.
 
ATLCAT said:
Hey there copper, you must not be much of a historian. Ash pulled the Cats out of all kinds of turmoil and academic hell to be a team that has posted more consecutive winning seasons than 95% of fcs football. Is there an occasional hiccup? There will be with every program in the country. I'm just fine with the job that he's done since he's been at MSU. Beating the griz or losing to you turds, doesn't define our season. If it did, we'd all have 'gone Postal' by now. (Sorry, that may be a phrase you don't understand).

You just summed up Bobcat Nation and your mediocre expectations. NC's are what Griz Nation wants and expects year after year. You need playoff wins - period! Do I understand what Postal means? Yes, I would have gone postal by now if I was a Scat fan. Please continue to underperform. Griz Nation loves it! :cry: :cry:
 
Montana Gym Rat said:
"We're losing two great Grizzlies, who both held the institution and the student-athletes in high regard," Sundberg said. "What we have to focus on now is to go forward and produce what President Engstrom would like to see. ... We've been knocked to the ground, and we have to get up."

I'm glad to see that somebody on the staff gets it. This is an athletic program as part of a university. It is a student-athlete program, not athlete-student.

The president of the University of Montana has a vision for how the institution should be represented. Like Greg says, it's about producing what Engstrom envisions. This doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree with Engstrom's actions - but you do have to work within what the leader of this institution demands.

One has to believe that Engstrom wants the best for the University of Montana. All of the institution - not just one of the programs within the athletic department. Is his approach correct? Nobody can answer that with certainty at this point. Is it the direction that has been decided? Yes.

The University in general needs support more than ever. Many of those on eGriz are fans of the University of Montana football program. Keep that in perspective, the University of Montana comes ahead of the football program for a reason.

Very good post. I totally agree.
 

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