Good, Bad, Ugly - UND

[uofmman1122]

Semore back on field rather than in box...speeds up calls getting in to defense not having to relay

Are those signs new?

It seems that’s their method of getting everything in much more quickly.

I liked it.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Semore back on field rather than in box...speeds up calls getting in to defense not having to relay

Semore was on the field - during the EWU game - and the signals were not getting to the defense timely and several times the Griz defensive linemen were standing (and not ready to rush the QB).

 

[Htowngriz]

Semore back on field rather than in box...speeds up calls getting in to defense not having to relay

Semore was on the field - during the EWU game - and the signals were not getting to the defense timely and several times the Griz defensive linemen were standing (and not ready to rush the QB).

I don't disagree but the fact that EWU was only taking about 5 seconds between plays certainly didn't help.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Semore back on field rather than in box...speeds up calls getting in to defense not having to relay

Semore was on the field - during the EWU game - and the signals were not getting to the defense timely and several times the Griz defensive linemen were standing (and not ready to rush the QB).

I don't disagree but the fact that EWU was only taking about 5 seconds between plays certainly didn't help.

We agree - but UM defensive adjustments were needed immediately.

 

[PlayerRep]

Mariner: "Announced attendance was over 25K, but it didn't really look it. Quite a few open seats in the upper east deck."

If you were looking mostly at the middle upper section, tons are those people were inside the Canyon Club, keeping warm (it was windy up there), drinking beer/wine, socializing and watching the game (on about 10 tv screens, which had the tv but also the raw feed, which was about 4 or 5 seconds ahead of the tv). Also, everyone on the decks watching and drinking beer was not in their seats either.

And, in games with bad weather, look in all of the boxes. They are packed. Boxes have 8 tickets/people, and you can buy up to 8 mores. Most of the boxes I could see looked like they had tons of extra people. The box I used to be in, which was a double box with 16 tickets, often had 50 or 60 people in it during games.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

Mariner: "Announced attendance was over 25K, but it didn't really look it. Quite a few open seats in the upper east deck."

If you were looking mostly at the middle upper section, tons are those people were inside the Canyon Club, keeping warm (it was windy up there), drinking beer/wine, socializing and watching the game (on about 10 tv screens, which had the tv but also the raw feed, which was about 4 or 5 seconds ahead of the tv). Also, everyone on the decks watching and drinking beer was not in their seats either.

And, in games with bad weather, look in all of the boxes. They are packed. Boxes have 8 tickets/people, and you can buy up to 8 mores. Most of the boxes I could see looked like they had tons of extra people. The box I used to be in, which was a double box with 16 tickets, often had 50 or 60 people in it during games.

Ah - that makes more sense. Didn't think to check and see how full the boxes were. The wife and I were sitting on the west side - so couldn't see "into" the east club box. Wasn't really windy on the side we were sitting, so it makes sense that folks on that side were staying warm and were having some drinks.

 

[kemajic]

Jensen getting 3 turnovers in the first quarter. When was the last time a Griz qb had 3 turnovers in a quarter?

Holding penalty on the JLM 80 or so yard punt return.

I liked the refs today.

Great job on Santiago in the run game and the return game.

Note that UND's starting qb didn't play today. I think they started 3 frosh linebackers weighing about 200 lbs.

Some great d by no. 2 on the left corner in the first half, fighting off a blocker, reacting quickly, and making great tackles. Those plays were big time.

I still think Jensen's quick release passes in the middle, after hesitation, are hard to catch.

Great day for the D. I have thought they had it all along, and they have made many great stands and plays this year, but they finally were consistent and didn't give up big plays and yards. 2 TD's against mainly the second team late.

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

 

[kemajic]

Jensen getting 3 turnovers in the first quarter. When was the last time a Griz qb had 3 turnovers in a quarter?

Agree that was bad. The good is the resolve of our Freshman QB putting the three first quarter turnovers behind him to finish over 60% passing, over 400 yards passing, and four total TDS (3 pass, 1 rush).

The ugly? Brint, where is the postgame recap?

Kudos to the D, which bailed him out each time. 0 points allowed on those 3 turnovers. Made it much more digestible for him.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

I have significantly less issue with THAT kind of PF penalty than one for taunting, shoving after the play, etc., etc., which he had a rep for prior to this season. A "hands to the face" penalty is one that can and often does occur innocently during the course of play. I rewatched that play a couple times and saw nothing egregious about Strahm's conduct on that play.

Now, if you want to bitch about Strahm, go back and look at what he did on that (only) long run by the UND RB. He crashed the gap to the right of the DT (committed before the RB got to the LOS) and the RB just took the open gap to the left of the DT and the only thing between him and paydirt at that point was the safety. Once he made Strong miss he was home free.

 

[PlayerRep]

Jensen getting 3 turnovers in the first quarter. When was the last time a Griz qb had 3 turnovers in a quarter?

Holding penalty on the JLM 80 or so yard punt return.

I liked the refs today.

Great job on Santiago in the run game and the return game.

Note that UND's starting qb didn't play today. I think they started 3 frosh linebackers weighing about 200 lbs.

Some great d by no. 2 on the left corner in the first half, fighting off a blocker, reacting quickly, and making great tackles. Those plays were big time.

I still think Jensen's quick release passes in the middle, after hesitation, are hard to catch.

Great day for the D. I have thought they had it all along, and they have made many great stands and plays this year, but they finally were consistent and didn't give up big plays and yards. 2 TD's against mainly the second team late.

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

It has been mentioned multiple times by posters already. It was also explained by Everett in a post:

"The call was hands to the face. His hands slipped up under the face mask. The proper call, but not intentional and not an after the play deal like you guys are making it out to be. This was one of those "shit happens" penalties, no different than a defensive holding call."

The penalty came at a point when UM had a 10 point lead, not at a more critical time when the game was still 0-0. Me thinks your bias continues to show through.

 

[kemajic]

Jensen getting 3 turnovers in the first quarter. When was the last time a Griz qb had 3 turnovers in a quarter?

Holding penalty on the JLM 80 or so yard punt return.

I liked the refs today.

Great job on Santiago in the run game and the return game.

Note that UND's starting qb didn't play today. I think they started 3 frosh linebackers weighing about 200 lbs.

Some great d by no. 2 on the left corner in the first half, fighting off a blocker, reacting quickly, and making great tackles. Those plays were big time.

I still think Jensen's quick release passes in the middle, after hesitation, are hard to catch.

Great day for the D. I have thought they had it all along, and they have made many great stands and plays this year, but they finally were consistent and didn't give up big plays and yards. 2 TD's against mainly the second team late.

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

It has been mentioned multiple times by posters already. It was also explained by Everett in a post:

"The call was hands to the face. His hands slipped up under the face mask. The proper call, but not intentional and not an after the play deal like you guys are making it out to be. This was one of those "shit happens" penalties, no different than a defensive holding call."

The penalty came at a point when UM had a 10 point lead, not at a more critical time when the game was still 0-0. Me thinks your bias continues to show through.

Just calling out your constant claims that his PF history is behind him. And in this case that it's OK, even though it led to a score. Who's biased?

 

[kemajic]

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

I have significantly less issue with THAT kind of PF penalty than one for taunting, shoving after the play, etc., etc., which he had a rep for prior to this season. A "hands to the face" penalty is one that can and often does occur innocently during the course of play. I rewatched that play a couple times and saw nothing egregious about Strahm's conduct on that play.

Now, if you want to bitch about Strahm, go back and look at what he did on that (only) long run by the UND RB. He crashed the gap to the right of the DT (committed before the RB got to the LOS) and the RB just took the open gap to the left of the DT and the only thing between him and paydirt at that point was the safety. Once he made Strong miss he was home free.

I didn't "bitch" about that because I have commented before that in my opinion he is overrated. I watch the inside LB play because I played that position. It is not a strength of our defense the last two years.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

I have significantly less issue with THAT kind of PF penalty than one for taunting, shoving after the play, etc., etc., which he had a rep for prior to this season. A "hands to the face" penalty is one that can and often does occur innocently during the course of play. I rewatched that play a couple times and saw nothing egregious about Strahm's conduct on that play.

Now, if you want to bitch about Strahm, go back and look at what he did on that (only) long run by the UND RB. He crashed the gap to the right of the DT (committed before the RB got to the LOS) and the RB just took the open gap to the left of the DT and the only thing between him and paydirt at that point was the safety. Once he made Strong miss he was home free.

I didn't "bitch" about that because I have commented before that in my opinion he is overrated. I watch the inside LB play because I played that position. It is not a strength of our defense the last two years.

:lol: Easy, killer. "Bitch" was probably a little harsh.

 

[PlayerRep]

Jensen getting 3 turnovers in the first quarter. When was the last time a Griz qb had 3 turnovers in a quarter?

Holding penalty on the JLM 80 or so yard punt return.

I liked the refs today.

Great job on Santiago in the run game and the return game.

Note that UND's starting qb didn't play today. I think they started 3 frosh linebackers weighing about 200 lbs.

Some great d by no. 2 on the left corner in the first half, fighting off a blocker, reacting quickly, and making great tackles. Those plays were big time.

I still think Jensen's quick release passes in the middle, after hesitation, are hard to catch.

Great day for the D. I have thought they had it all along, and they have made many great stands and plays this year, but they finally were consistent and didn't give up big plays and yards. 2 TD's against mainly the second team late.

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

It has been mentioned multiple times by posters already. It was also explained by Everett in a post:

"The call was hands to the face. His hands slipped up under the face mask. The proper call, but not intentional and not an after the play deal like you guys are making it out to be. This was one of those "shit happens" penalties, no different than a defensive holding call."

The penalty came at a point when UM had a 10 point lead, not at a more critical time when the game was still 0-0. Me thinks your bias continues to show through.

Just calling out your constant claims that his PF history is behind him. And in this case that it's OK, even though it led to a score. Who's biased?

I have never said anything about his PF history, other than to say that he had 2 of them last season. Your comment just shows how biased you are, how bad of a reader you are, and how bad your memory is.

I think you are just getting frustrated because the Stitt coached team is starting to win, which is calling into question some of your nay saying--and you are sore that I point out some of your BS from time to time.

 

[PlayerRep]

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

I have significantly less issue with THAT kind of PF penalty than one for taunting, shoving after the play, etc., etc., which he had a rep for prior to this season. A "hands to the face" penalty is one that can and often does occur innocently during the course of play. I rewatched that play a couple times and saw nothing egregious about Strahm's conduct on that play.

Now, if you want to bitch about Strahm, go back and look at what he did on that (only) long run by the UND RB. He crashed the gap to the right of the DT (committed before the RB got to the LOS) and the RB just took the open gap to the left of the DT and the only thing between him and paydirt at that point was the safety. Once he made Strong miss he was home free.

I didn't "bitch" about that because I have commented before that in my opinion he is overrated. I watch the inside LB play because I played that position. It is not a strength of our defense the last two years.

I assume that the play call required him to go through the gap he went through, so the other gap would be someone else's responsibility. I played middle backer in high school, so I know these things. Ha.

 

[PlayerRep]

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

I have significantly less issue with THAT kind of PF penalty than one for taunting, shoving after the play, etc., etc., which he had a rep for prior to this season. A "hands to the face" penalty is one that can and often does occur innocently during the course of play. I rewatched that play a couple times and saw nothing egregious about Strahm's conduct on that play.

Now, if you want to bitch about Strahm, go back and look at what he did on that (only) long run by the UND RB. He crashed the gap to the right of the DT (committed before the RB got to the LOS) and the RB just took the open gap to the left of the DT and the only thing between him and paydirt at that point was the safety. Once he made Strong miss he was home free.

I didn't "bitch" about that because I have commented before that in my opinion he is overrated. I watch the inside LB play because I played that position. It is not a strength of our defense the last two years.

Overrated? What is he rated? He was the 2d leading tackler last season, behind Buss. 8 TFLs. 4.5 sacks. An interception. 3 forced fumbles. 1 recovered fumble. A number of pass defense stats. By comparison, Buss had way more TFLs, 1 more sack, and 1 forced fumble. Strahm recovered the fumble against UND, on a nice play. Despite not playing in 2 games this season, and not starting in the next 2, he is tied as the 2d leading tackler on the team now.

Were you one of the posters singing the praises of Vika, and how he was better than Strahm, when Strahm got suspended?

 

[reinell30]

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

I have significantly less issue with THAT kind of PF penalty than one for taunting, shoving after the play, etc., etc., which he had a rep for prior to this season. A "hands to the face" penalty is one that can and often does occur innocently during the course of play. I rewatched that play a couple times and saw nothing egregious about Strahm's conduct on that play.

Now, if you want to bitch about Strahm, go back and look at what he did on that (only) long run by the UND RB. He crashed the gap to the right of the DT (committed before the RB got to the LOS) and the RB just took the open gap to the left of the DT and the only thing between him and paydirt at that point was the safety. Once he made Strong miss he was home free.

I didn't "bitch" about that because I have commented before that in my opinion he is overrated. I watch the inside LB play because I played that position. It is not a strength of our defense the last two years.

Overrated? What is he rated? He was the 2d leading tackler last season, behind Buss. 8 TFLs. 4.5 sacks. An interception. 3 forced fumbles. 1 recovered fumble. A number of pass defense stats. By comparison, Buss had way more TFLs, 1 more sack, and 1 forced fumble. Strahm recovered the fumble against UND, on a nice play. Despite not playing in 2 games this season, and not starting in the next 2, he is tied as the 2d leading tackler on the team now.

Were you one of the posters singing the praises of Vika, and how he was better than Strahm, when Strahm got suspended?

For all of you that saw the play where Connor was called for a personal foul, did you see the size of the offensive guy he was trying to block and get away from to make a tackle? The guy outweighed him by 75lbs or more. He was fighting off a block to get in to the tackle situation. Hands to the face was nothing more than his hands sliding off the pads and going up. Now if you want to complain about the young man, talk about his being out of position on a couple of runs, just over aggressive IMO.
If you want to complain, talk about Stitt not having someone who can play better at safety than a one arm man against' a run heavy offense. Strong would have made the tackle had he not had a club on one hand on the long TD run, I don't think UND scores if Strong has both limbs.

 

[kemajic]

Of course Strahm's stupid PF penalty erasing a great 3rd down stop by the D at the 40 would not be mentioned.

I have significantly less issue with THAT kind of PF penalty than one for taunting, shoving after the play, etc., etc., which he had a rep for prior to this season. A "hands to the face" penalty is one that can and often does occur innocently during the course of play. I rewatched that play a couple times and saw nothing egregious about Strahm's conduct on that play.

Now, if you want to bitch about Strahm, go back and look at what he did on that (only) long run by the UND RB. He crashed the gap to the right of the DT (committed before the RB got to the LOS) and the RB just took the open gap to the left of the DT and the only thing between him and paydirt at that point was the safety. Once he made Strong miss he was home free.

I didn't "bitch" about that because I have commented before that in my opinion he is overrated. I watch the inside LB play because I played that position. It is not a strength of our defense the last two years.

Overrated? What is he rated? He was the 2d leading tackler last season, behind Buss. 8 TFLs. 4.5 sacks. An interception. 3 forced fumbles. 1 recovered fumble. A number of pass defense stats. By comparison, Buss had way more TFLs, 1 more sack, and 1 forced fumble. Strahm recovered the fumble against UND, on a nice play. Despite not playing in 2 games this season, and not starting in the next 2, he is tied as the 2d leading tackler on the team now.

Were you one of the posters singing the praises of Vika, and how he was better than Strahm, when Strahm got suspended?

No, I did not know enough about Vika's ability to make that statement. "Your comment just shows how biased you are, how bad of a reader you are, and how bad your memory is." But in recent games, I've seen Vika make some very good tackles, not arm-grabbing.

You only cite stats from plays Strahm has made. His criticism comes from the plays he doesn't make. Try to understand the difference, even when it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[PlayerRep]

I have significantly less issue with THAT kind of PF penalty than one for taunting, shoving after the play, etc., etc., which he had a rep for prior to this season. A "hands to the face" penalty is one that can and often does occur innocently during the course of play. I rewatched that play a couple times and saw nothing egregious about Strahm's conduct on that play.

Now, if you want to bitch about Strahm, go back and look at what he did on that (only) long run by the UND RB. He crashed the gap to the right of the DT (committed before the RB got to the LOS) and the RB just took the open gap to the left of the DT and the only thing between him and paydirt at that point was the safety. Once he made Strong miss he was home free.

I didn't "bitch" about that because I have commented before that in my opinion he is overrated. I watch the inside LB play because I played that position. It is not a strength of our defense the last two years.

Overrated? What is he rated? He was the 2d leading tackler last season, behind Buss. 8 TFLs. 4.5 sacks. An interception. 3 forced fumbles. 1 recovered fumble. A number of pass defense stats. By comparison, Buss had way more TFLs, 1 more sack, and 1 forced fumble. Strahm recovered the fumble against UND, on a nice play. Despite not playing in 2 games this season, and not starting in the next 2, he is tied as the 2d leading tackler on the team now.

Were you one of the posters singing the praises of Vika, and how he was better than Strahm, when Strahm got suspended?

No, I did not know enough about Vika's ability to make that statement. "Your comment just shows how biased you are, how bad of a reader you are, and how bad your memory is." But in recent games, I've seen Vika make some very good tackles, not arm-grabbing.

You only cite stats from plays Strahm has made. His criticism comes from the plays he doesn't make. Try to understand the difference, even when it doesn't fit your narrative.

I happen to know that most of what you think are plays not made, were not in fact plays Strahm should have made. Yes, of course, he (and the other backers) have not made every play. My information is generally good on this subject. Yours apparently isn't. You don't know what D is being called and what specific lb responsibility is on each play. You don't know what the lb coach is concluding after watching the tape, and what he is telling the backers. Instead, you are left making up stuff and picking at Strahm for his penalty, which multiple posters have said was not a big deal. You have been the same way with J. Nguyen. Despite not losing a fumble for his last 3 years, which is virtually unheard of for any starter and returner, you still hold onto to your narrative and pick at him.

 

[kemajic]

I didn't "bitch" about that because I have commented before that in my opinion he is overrated. I watch the inside LB play because I played that position. It is not a strength of our defense the last two years.

Overrated? What is he rated? He was the 2d leading tackler last season, behind Buss. 8 TFLs. 4.5 sacks. An interception. 3 forced fumbles. 1 recovered fumble. A number of pass defense stats. By comparison, Buss had way more TFLs, 1 more sack, and 1 forced fumble. Strahm recovered the fumble against UND, on a nice play. Despite not playing in 2 games this season, and not starting in the next 2, he is tied as the 2d leading tackler on the team now.

Were you one of the posters singing the praises of Vika, and how he was better than Strahm, when Strahm got suspended?

No, I did not know enough about Vika's ability to make that statement. "Your comment just shows how biased you are, how bad of a reader you are, and how bad your memory is." But in recent games, I've seen Vika make some very good tackles, not arm-grabbing.

You only cite stats from plays Strahm has made. His criticism comes from the plays he doesn't make. Try to understand the difference, even when it doesn't fit your narrative.

I happen to know that most of what you think are plays not made, were not in fact plays Strahm should have made. Yes, of course, he (and the other backers) have not made every play. My information is generally good on this subject. Yours apparently isn't. You don't know what D is being called and what specific lb responsibility is on each play. You don't know what the lb coach is concluding after watching the tape, and what he is telling the backers. Instead, you are left making up stuff and picking at Strahm for his penalty, which multiple posters have said was not a big deal. You have been the same way with J. Nguyen. Despite not losing a fumble for his last 3 years, which is virtually unheard of for any starter and returner, you still hold onto to your narrative and pick at him.

You might notice that I don't take the initiative to "pick" on either Strahm or the Nguyens. No, I respond to the rose-colored blind (and often cherry-picked) praise by some posters that overlook their limitations, which are obvious to anyone "who played the game." Trying to keep it fair and balanced. lol