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Good, Bad, Ugly - MSU

horribilisfan8184 said:
No disagreement, that's why the word "hold" is in quotes. Those same Bobcat "holds" I observed were held onto for a long enough period of time, holding the defender back, to give the runner time to pass the defender, thus qualifying a impeding. Can't tell if that happened on this play from the snapshot but I'll take your word for it he did not impede the player by not letting go.
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He impeded the player. They player just wasn't making the play regardless, thus the hold was unnecessary.
 
AZGrizFan said:
He impeded the player. They player just wasn't making the play regardless, thus the hold was unnecessary.
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Nope, he didn't impede the player. As the player saw the runner going around him, he spun and brought his left shoulder from left to right and rubbed the left shoulder by the blocker. The blocker's left hand was obviously on his left side. His left hand went up on the shoulder pad for a brief split second. The defender is doing a minor acting job as he tried to disengage. He isn't being impeded. The "play" in the photo occurs for a very short split second. The blocker's hand basically slides over the shoulder. This type of contact occurs zillions of times on every play for a split second or more, and it doesn't constitute a penalty.

After looking the photo, you need to go through the life video of the play over and over. Then, you will see that this occurred over about 1/100th of a second and was mostly a brush on over the defender's shoulder. The jersey isn't be grabbed. I think it's perfectly fine for a blockers hands to be on shoulders and shoulder pads briefly.

My view is that the ref probably thought there had been a hold due to the look of the defender, but didn't see any actual hold, that is, illegal hold. You can look at the video 100 times in a row in real time, stopping it and running it back, and not see any holding occurring by the blocker and certainly nothing illegal.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Nope, he didn't impede the player. As the player saw the runner going around him, he spun and brought his left shoulder from left to right and rubbed the left shoulder by the blocker. The blocker's left hand was obviously on his left side. His left hand went up on the shoulder pad for a brief split second. The defender is doing a minor acting job as he tried to disengage. He isn't being impeded. The "play" in the photo occurs for a very short split second. The blocker's hand basically slides over the shoulder. This type of contact occurs zillions of times on every play for a split second or more, and it doesn't constitute a penalty.

After looking the photo, you need to go through the life video of the play over and over. Then, you will see that this occurred over about 1/100th of a second and was mostly a brush on over the defender's shoulder. The jersey isn't be grabbed. I think it's perfectly fine for a blockers hands to be on shoulders and shoulder pads briefly.

My view is that the ref probably thought there had been a hold due to the look of the defender, but didn't see any actual hold, that is, illegal hold. You can look at the video 100 times in a row in real time, stopping it and running it back, and not see any holding occurring by the blocker and certainly nothing illegal.
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LOL, hoops the company man.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
If you watch the video, he literally spun the guy around 180 degrees with the tug.
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No, the video doesn't show that at all. Not in the least. The video shows that the defender and blocker are facing each other and locked up or semi locked up. The blocker's RIGHT hand is on the left side of the defender. As the defender sees the reverse coming (instead of the play going the other way), he spins to his right by turning to his right in a clockwise fashion. His left side brushes the body of the blocker and beyond as ho completes his spin. Then, the blocker's LEFT hand comes up briefly over the left shoulder of the defender (and that's when the photo occurred). You can't see any actual HOLDING of the defender in the photo. And the blocker definitely didn't spin the defender around. He couldn't spin the defender around with his left hand in the position anyway.

You either aren't looking at the video or are continuing to show how clueless you are with football.

Let's bet $100, right now, on whether the blocker spun the defender around at this moment. I saw the blocker didn't spin the defender around. Put up or shut up.
 
mthoopsfan said:
No, the video doesn't show that at all. Not in the least. The video shows that the defender and blocker are facing each other and locked up or semi locked up. The blocker's RIGHT hand is on the left side of the defender. As the defender sees the reverse coming (instead of the play going the other way), he spins to his right by turning to his right in a clockwise fashion. His left side brushes the body of the blocker and beyond as ho completes his spin. Then, the blocker's LEFT hand comes up briefly over the left shoulder of the defender (and that's when the photo occurred). You can't see any actual HOLDING of the defender in the photo. And the blocker definitely didn't spin the defender around. He couldn't spin the defender around with his left hand in the position anyway.

You either aren't looking at the video or are continuing to show how clueless you are with football.

Let's bet $100, right now, on whether the blocker spun the defender around at this moment. I saw the blocker didn't spin the defender around. Put up or shut up.
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He literally has his hand inside the shoulder pads grasping the top of the pads.
 
And how about the uncalled pass interference that led to interception...do you agree was a missed call that everyone knows was critical change as well?
 
AZGrizFan said:
He literally has his hand inside the shoulder pads grasping the top of the pads.
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Nope, you can't see where the hand is. The defender has just spun clockwise through 84's body, and 84's hand is on the shoulder, which is perfectly okay and legal. An inadvertent brush over a shoulder or shoulder pad in a split second is not illegal holding. Look in real time. No holding should have been called.
 
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