Good, Bad, Ugly - ISU

[PlayerRep]

Kem was spot on in his assessment. Strahm isn’t in the class of talent that McSurdy, Coyle, Tripp, & JP represented. Go back & watch it yourself - he credits himself for two missed tackles during the game, and that would be true of just one drive where within four plays he didn’t break down to make the tackle on the QB for a sure sack and let the back push him out of the way on his way through the hole. I was reminded during the half that he wasn’t the only backer with issues and that was a fair criticism. Didn’t get to see the second half yet, so it sounds as if they figured it out in time.

It’s been well documented here & count me among the group looking for real tackling and less group hugging hoping to separate the ball from the carrier. Get the guy with the ball on the carpet with as many of your teammates as possible. That gives them a chance for more of that dirty stuff whiny-phen was so concerned about.

So you didn’t even watch the second half? How did you become an expert on the game? Did you talk to the linebacker coach or the backers?

I agree that tackling was weak and needs to improve. But that doesn’t mean players had bad games. If they were so bad, their backups would have played more. You also might check around to see who’s playing hurt. Sanders got a lot of criticism last year, but he was playing hurt and the coaches must have believed he was the best option. Are you criticizing Sandry this year too?

No. As we’ve already established in the last couple of years, like yourself - I played D1 somewhere other than Montana. I was a tight end, so I’ve gone up against every kind of defender and was tackled a time or two.

I have no idea whos’ play is limited by injuries, but know everyone has got issues they are dealing with. There was no mention of Sandry or Sanders and my criticism was of the play in the first half. And I’d again differ in the notion that a defensive player can have a good game if they tackle poorly, that’s the first bullet point in the job description. This season, Semore seems to have no trouble substituting guys, witness guys like Cochran getting reps and making plays yesterday. And perhaps if Stitt had valued another DB or two, they wouldn’t have the razor thin ranks they suffer now.

You endorsed kem’s assessment. That included multiple games, being out of position, and allowing successful qb draws—not the first half of the last game. Maybe you need to learn to express yourself better. That would help. Not sure I am buying some of your other stuff either. Think you are the one who should watch the game more carefully or find out more what is going with the program.

 

[bgbigdog]

Kem was spot on in his assessment. Strahm isn’t in the class of talent that McSurdy, Coyle, Tripp, & JP represented. Go back & watch it yourself - he credits himself for two missed tackles during the game, and that would be true of just one drive where within four plays he didn’t break down to make the tackle on the QB for a sure sack and let the back push him out of the way on his way through the hole. I was reminded during the half that he wasn’t the only backer with issues and that was a fair criticism. Didn’t get to see the second half yet, so it sounds as if they figured it out in time.

It’s been well documented here & count me among the group looking for real tackling and less group hugging hoping to separate the ball from the carrier. Get the guy with the ball on the carpet with as many of your teammates as possible. That gives them a chance for more of that dirty stuff whiny-phen was so concerned about.

So you didn’t even watch the second half? How did you become an expert on the game? Did you talk to the linebacker coach or the backers?

I agree that tackling was weak and needs to improve. But that doesn’t mean players had bad games. If they were so bad, their backups would have played more. You also might check around to see who’s playing hurt. Sanders got a lot of criticism last year, but he was playing hurt and the coaches must have believed he was the best option. Are you criticizing Sandry this year too?

No. As we’ve already established in the last couple of years, like yourself - I played D1 somewhere other than Montana. I was a tight end, so I’ve gone up against every kind of defender and was tackled a time or two.

I have no idea whos’ play is limited by injuries, but know everyone has got issues they are dealing with. There was no mention of Sandry or Sanders and my criticism was of the play in the first half. And I’d again differ in the notion that a defensive player can have a good game if they tackle poorly, that’s the first bullet point in the job description. This season, Semore seems to have no trouble substituting guys, witness guys like Cochran getting reps and making plays yesterday. And perhaps if Stitt had valued another DB or two, they wouldn’t have the razor thin ranks they suffer now.

You endorsed kem’s assessment. That included multiple games, being out of position, and allowing successful qb draws—not the first half of the last game. Maybe you need to learn to express yourself better. That would help. Not sure I am buying some of your other stuff either. Think you are the one who should watch the game more carefully or find out more what is going with the program.

Are you capable of disagreement without it coming out as a personal attack? Wait... nevermind.

 

[PlayerRep]

Are you capable of making a comment without personally attacking a player? Are you capable of making an accurate comment? Are you cabable of making an articulate and clear comment?

Each starting backer missed 2 tackles. No major blown assignments. Rb swing was good against the particular D call and not shown previously on film. This is official but feel free to continue to make your own incorrect assessments.

 

[Fahque]

:lol:

 

[Mavman]

For what ever reason Strahm was not his best Saturday. One play he lowered a shoulder on the ball carrier and almost missed the guy, on another play the te caught the pass and strahm jogged after him as he went out of bounds, on another the back got through the line and Strahm jogged downfield after him. The final play I described had me wondering if he was playing hurt. I like his play usually however Saturday he stood out and I'm sure he would be first to admit not his best game, I'm sure it will come up in the meeting room also when the coaches grade him. I would bet he will be back to playing great next week.

 

[blondeh2o]

You guys seem to be ragging on Strahm a bit, and I know he missed a handful of tackles, but he also made 14 tackles on the day. That was tied with Banks for most on the team.

Word. He missed a few- was tired perhaps. Overall, pretty impressive though- IMO.

 

[Ursus1]

For what ever reason Strahm was not his best Saturday. One play he lowered a shoulder on the ball carrier and almost missed the guy, on another play the te caught the pass and strahm jogged after him as he went out of bounds, on another the back got through the line and Strahm jogged downfield after him. The final play I described had me wondering if he was playing hurt. I like his play usually however Saturday he stood out and I'm sure he would be first to admit not his best game, I'm sure it will come up in the meeting room also when the coaches grade him. I would bet he will be back to playing great next week.

I saw the jogging and made a comment elsewhere and was hammered like I didn't see it. Thanks for noting it. In the past I had said he was for sure best for spot (no agenda that he isn't good or should be #1), but the little things Saturday bothered me. I too bet coaches see it in film and point it out.

 

[Ursus1]

Are you capable of making a comment without personally attacking a player? Are you capable of making an accurate comment? Are you cabable of making an articulate and clear comment?

Each starting backer missed 2 tackles. No major blown assignments. Rb swing was good against the particular D call and not shown previously on film. This is official but feel free to continue to make your own incorrect assessments.

Question for you...how can a good defensive call not account for a running back? They were not in a position where they needed to send the house and gamble. I am not suggesting it wasn't the call...just whether you think it is sound defensive planning.

 

[Ursus1]

You guys seem to be ragging on Strahm a bit, and I know he missed a handful of tackles, but he also made 14 tackles on the day. That was tied with Banks for most on the team.

Word. He missed a few- was tired perhaps. Overall, pretty impressive though- IMO.

Wasn't huge play count ....so do you think wise to use a "tired" CS over Vika?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Are you capable of making a comment without personally attacking a player? Are you capable of making an accurate comment? Are you cabable of making an articulate and clear comment?

Each starting backer missed 2 tackles. No major blown assignments. Rb swing was good against the particular D call and not shown previously on film. This is official but feel free to continue to make your own incorrect assessments.

Question for you...how can a good defensive call not account for a running back? They were not in a position where they needed to send the house and gamble. I am not suggesting it wasn't the call...just whether you think it is sound defensive planning.

I noticed something watching the replay last night...on a couple of the longer QB scrambles (not up the middle, but broken plays), both OLB's had crashed inside, and the CB's were running with the WR's, so the outsides were wide OPEN for the QB....if THAT's by design, that's gotta change.

 

[Diesel]

Are you capable of making a comment without personally attacking a player? Are you capable of making an accurate comment? Are you cabable of making an articulate and clear comment?

Each starting backer missed 2 tackles. No major blown assignments. Rb swing was good against the particular D call and not shown previously on film. This is official but feel free to continue to make your own incorrect assessments.

Question for you...how can a good defensive call not account for a running back? They were not in a position where they needed to send the house and gamble. I am not suggesting it wasn't the call...just whether you think it is sound defensive planning.

I noticed something watching the replay last night...on a couple of the longer QB scrambles (not up the middle, but broken plays), both OLB's had crashed inside, and the CB's were running with the WR's, so the outsides were wide OPEN for the QB....if THAT's by design, that's gotta change.

There is a lack of RB coverage on several plays last week and in previous games. Strahm is a powerful mudder, wouldn't want to battle him in cramped quarters, but he lacks closing speed and one step lead by QBs in the last three games they run for big gains. Looks like he has had QB run responsibility on several QB scrambles and he makes play for QB and is out of position or too slow to make tackle. Also have to take into account with no huddle play subbing players for down and distance can't happen offense can spread things out and exploit big personel packages. Funny how when teams play fast like Stitt our defense doesn't respond well so far this year.
The results have been good a win is a win just worry about better teams exploiting defense if some adjustments are not implemented soon. BTY I am impressed with the talent the coaches have brought into the program there are injuries hurting the defense and not looking for coaching changes. Alexander and Epperly had a good game nice to see several players involved.

 

[PlayerRep]

For what ever reason Strahm was not his best Saturday. One play he lowered a shoulder on the ball carrier and almost missed the guy, on another play the te caught the pass and strahm jogged after him as he went out of bounds, on another the back got through the line and Strahm jogged downfield after him. The final play I described had me wondering if he was playing hurt. I like his play usually however Saturday he stood out and I'm sure he would be first to admit not his best game, I'm sure it will come up in the meeting room also when the coaches grade him. I would bet he will be back to playing great next week.

Not intending to disagree with anything you said, and certainly don't want to hurt your feelings, but I already posted what came from the linebacker coach last night after watching the tape. 2 tackles missed by each starting backer (too many), but not other major mistakes made. Wheel route coverage was more of a play call into D call scheme problem, as the play had not been show by ISU previously.

 

[PlayerRep]

You guys seem to be ragging on Strahm a bit, and I know he missed a handful of tackles, but he also made 14 tackles on the day. That was tied with Banks for most on the team.

Word. He missed a few- was tired perhaps. Overall, pretty impressive though- IMO.

The tape and lb coach said he missed 2 tackles, not a handful. My post is not meant to hurt your feelings or pick a fight.

 

[PlayerRep]

For what ever reason Strahm was not his best Saturday. One play he lowered a shoulder on the ball carrier and almost missed the guy, on another play the te caught the pass and strahm jogged after him as he went out of bounds, on another the back got through the line and Strahm jogged downfield after him. The final play I described had me wondering if he was playing hurt. I like his play usually however Saturday he stood out and I'm sure he would be first to admit not his best game, I'm sure it will come up in the meeting room also when the coaches grade him. I would bet he will be back to playing great next week.

I saw the jogging and made a comment elsewhere and was hammered like I didn't see it. Thanks for noting it. In the past I had said he was for sure best for spot (no agenda that he isn't good or should be #1), but the little things Saturday bothered me. I too bet coaches see it in film and point it out.

Again, no major mistakes by backers other than 2 missed tackles a piece. Don't mean to hurt your feelings or pick a fight.

 

[PlayerRep]

Are you capable of making a comment without personally attacking a player? Are you capable of making an accurate comment? Are you cabable of making an articulate and clear comment?

Each starting backer missed 2 tackles. No major blown assignments. Rb swing was good against the particular D call and not shown previously on film. This is official but feel free to continue to make your own incorrect assessments.

Question for you...how can a good defensive call not account for a running back? They were not in a position where they needed to send the house and gamble. I am not suggesting it wasn't the call...just whether you think it is sound defensive planning.

Every defensive call has a vulnerable area or two.

 

[PlayerRep]

Are you capable of making a comment without personally attacking a player? Are you capable of making an accurate comment? Are you cabable of making an articulate and clear comment?

Each starting backer missed 2 tackles. No major blown assignments. Rb swing was good against the particular D call and not shown previously on film. This is official but feel free to continue to make your own incorrect assessments.

Question for you...how can a good defensive call not account for a running back? They were not in a position where they needed to send the house and gamble. I am not suggesting it wasn't the call...just whether you think it is sound defensive planning.

I noticed something watching the replay last night...on a couple of the longer QB scrambles (not up the middle, but broken plays), both OLB's had crashed inside, and the CB's were running with the WR's, so the outsides were wide OPEN for the QB....if THAT's by design, that's gotta change.

There is a lack of RB coverage on several plays last week and in previous games. Strahm is a powerful mudder, wouldn't want to battle him in cramped quarters, but he lacks closing speed and one step lead by QBs in the last three games they run for big gains. Looks like he has had QB run responsibility on several QB scrambles and he makes play for QB and is out of position or too slow to make tackle. Also have to take into account with no huddle play subbing players for down and distance can't happen offense can spread things out and exploit big personel packages. Funny how when teams play fast like Stitt our defense doesn't respond well so far this year.
The results have been good a win is a win just worry about better teams exploiting defense if some adjustments are not implemented soon. BTY I am impressed with the talent the coaches have brought into the program there are injuries hurting the defense and not looking for coaching changes. Alexander and Epperly had a good game nice to see several players involved.

Strahm is not a mudder. He is mobile and fairly fast. Played safety in high school. Is fairly good in pass coverage.

 

[garizzalies]

His mudder was a mudder

 

[Diesel]

His mudder was a mudder

Okey...so his father is a...?
What was the name of that movie"Meet the.......?

 

[Diesel]

Question for you...how can a good defensive call not account for a running back? They were not in a position where they needed to send the house and gamble. I am not suggesting it wasn't the call...just whether you think it is sound defensive planning.

I noticed something watching the replay last night...on a couple of the longer QB scrambles (not up the middle, but broken plays), both OLB's had crashed inside, and the CB's were running with the WR's, so the outsides were wide OPEN for the QB....if THAT's by design, that's gotta change.

There is a lack of RB coverage on several plays last week and in previous games. Strahm is a powerful mudder, wouldn't want to battle him in cramped quarters, but he lacks closing speed and one step lead by QBs in the last three games they run for big gains. Looks like he has had QB run responsibility on several QB scrambles and he makes play for QB and is out of position or too slow to make tackle. Also have to take into account with no huddle play subbing players for down and distance can't happen offense can spread things out and exploit big personel packages. Funny how when teams play fast like Stitt our defense doesn't respond well so far this year.
The results have been good a win is a win just worry about better teams exploiting defense if some adjustments are not implemented soon. BTY I am impressed with the talent the coaches have brought into the program there are injuries hurting the defense and not looking for coaching changes. Alexander and Epperly had a good game nice to see several players involved.

Strahm is not a mudder. He is mobile and fairly fast. Played safety in high school. Is fairly good in pass coverage.

Don't care if he was faster than Bolt in high school. He couldn't keep up with the QBs in the last three games when they took off on scrambles. Against EWU in the third quarter 3rd and long Strahm delays and takes a gap right, Gage steps to his left and starts to scramble Strahm backs out of his rush and touches Gabe but is too slow to tackle him Gage gains about 20 Yards Strahm was left in the dust. Strahm was either out of position or attempted to make a play on the QB and was too slow or maybe both. ISU same set up and the 235 LB QB out sprints Strahm. I don't need to talk to coaches to see the TV coverage that gave a clear picture.
Strahm is not fast enough to slow rush and make play on QB scrambles in the last three games.
The defense is better with Strahm, Strahm admitted missing a couple of tackles post game he takes responsibility and is a good team leader. Does not change the film, he is slower than the last three QBs and the ISU QB doesn't look like speed is one of his assets. Problem for the defense when this happens in man to man coverage. Chances are Griz will be torched by QB scrambles if defense doesn't adjust.
One other issue is RB coverage if the ISU QB wasn't focused on his brother the RBs were wide open I'm sure every OC we will face this year noticed.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I have not watched either game intently enough to know for sure, or not, but are some of the defensive breakdowns created by being over aggressive on 1st move of QB's and HB's in the passing game? In Strahm's case, I don't consider him slow. I do feel most of this defense is very reactive, with over aggressive tendencies, which gets a player or 2 out of position a few too many times per game.

I will look for this a little more in the upcoming games, or when I have time to break down game video. Stitt has as much as admitted that being aggressive is how the GRIZ play under him. Maybe, they need to spy the HB more often, and be more disciplined regarding QB scrambles.