Good, Bad, Ugly - ISU

[HookedonGriz]

Gotta add one more. Stitt's ball sack for going for that 4th down on his own 28 or whatever it was. That was crucial, risky, scary, and huge all at once. And it was executed to perfection by Gresch.

 

[get'em_griz]

Gotta add one more. Stitt's ball sack for going for that 4th down on his own 28 or whatever it was. That was crucial, risky, scary, and huge all at once. And it was executed to perfection by Gresch.

Hat was beautiful. Watching in the stadium I didn't expect Jensen to keep it. Absolutely beautiful!

 

[AZDoc]

A good kick return...aided by a penalty, but still a solid return! :lol:

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Good:
-WR's getting the 50/50 balls. That crew played physical today and was really the difference. Blocked down field well as well.
-Schey
-Jensen. He's only going to get better too. Made some great throw. Made the right play calls. Ran when he needed too at the right times. Kid is a football player.
-How about Cochrane's sack/FF? They disguised that blitz very well. Huge play that took them out of field goal range and forced them to punt into a touchback. Key play.
-Liked the 2nd half adjustments.
-OL continues to play well.
-Other than the missed XP, ST played very well today. Blocked punt. Touchbacks. Should have had a long KO return that was negated by a very bad call by the ref.

Bad:
-There was some bad tackling. Some of our guys need to watch some Mac Bignell film.
-Lost contain on their QB a couple times. Also failed to bring him down a couple times and let him scramble for a 1st down. See above.
-Secondary is playing cautiously. Need to be more physical. If you get a few holds or PI's so be it. Beats allowing their receiver to get comfortable. They played much much better the 2nd half though.
-Missed XP. Really turned into a loss of 3 points, as it led us to go for 2 unsuccessfully twice.
-Refs were nitpicky. Offensive PI call... block in the back on the KO return where the cover guy got pushed into our guy...

Ugly:
- Allowing them to convert on 3rd and longs more than a couple times.

 

[TCCGRIZ]

Good

- Jensen playing extremely well
- the O Line continues to play well.
- when Calhoun got the Ball he ran well
- the receivers made some big grabs (Calhoun, Curran, Horner, and Akem)
- Dante Olson played great while he was in
- Favorosa playing much better
- Griz outscoring ISU 26-10 in second half
- Keenan Curran high pointing that on side kick
- some slight adjustments on both sides at half which gives me a little hope
- the no quit attitude

Bad

- defense still scares the hell out of me
- we play way too soft and way too many missed tackles

Ugly

- I hate bringing up refs but they did not help the Griz at all early. Some really bad calls
- Michael dean flipping off the Griz crowd on national tv....haha
- our defense giving up 500+ yards....again. I think this is now our MO and we just need to swesrcs lot every game

:thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

Kickoffs were way better with Semenza! Strahm had bad game and was not giving great effort chasing after runners who broke past the line. Jogged after them. Safeties first half were non existent. Oline played well again. A few runs by Jensen were huge. No INTs. Better kick coverage, but still need return work but change at returner showed promise in his full speed attack. Dante looks like he needs more playing time...great hustle and tackling! Some great WR catches. I thought Stitt did much better with situational hurry up. When had them on heels he did it, but not just to do it.

Strahm led the team in tackles with 14, along with Banks, had .5 sacks and .5 TFL, and he had a "bad" game? Really?

 

[Fahque]

Kickoffs were way better with Semenza! Strahm had bad game and was not giving great effort chasing after runners who broke past the line. Jogged after them. Safeties first half were non existent. Oline played well again. A few runs by Jensen were huge. No INTs. Better kick coverage, but still need return work but change at returner showed promise in his full speed attack. Dante looks like he needs more playing time...great hustle and tackling! Some great WR catches. I thought Stitt did much better with situational hurry up. When had them on heels he did it, but not just to do it.

Strahm led the team in tackles with 14, along with Banks, had .5 sacks and .5 TFL, and he had a "bad" game? Really?

I was surprised to see that Strahm had 14 tackles. He had a few series where things did not go well for him and a few really bad missed tackles. Ended up having a nice game overall

 

[PlayerRep]

Kickoffs were way better with Semenza! Strahm had bad game and was not giving great effort chasing after runners who broke past the line. Jogged after them. Safeties first half were non existent. Oline played well again. A few runs by Jensen were huge. No INTs. Better kick coverage, but still need return work but change at returner showed promise in his full speed attack. Dante looks like he needs more playing time...great hustle and tackling! Some great WR catches. I thought Stitt did much better with situational hurry up. When had them on heels he did it, but not just to do it.

Strahm led the team in tackles with 14, along with Banks, had .5 sacks and .5 TFL, and he had a "bad" game? Really?

I was surprised to see that Strahm had 14 tackles. He had a few series where things did not go well for him and a few really bad missed tackles. Ended up having a nice game overall

He said in the post-game that he missed 2 tackles, and the linebackers missed 6 or 7 as a group.

 

[kemajic]

Kickoffs were way better with Semenza! Strahm had bad game and was not giving great effort chasing after runners who broke past the line. Jogged after them. Safeties first half were non existent. Oline played well again. A few runs by Jensen were huge. No INTs. Better kick coverage, but still need return work but change at returner showed promise in his full speed attack. Dante looks like he needs more playing time...great hustle and tackling! Some great WR catches. I thought Stitt did much better with situational hurry up. When had them on heels he did it, but not just to do it.

Strahm led the team in tackles with 14, along with Banks, had .5 sacks and .5 TFL, and he had a "bad" game? Really?

The point is how many he missed; arm tackles that ISU backs ran right through. He had 3 solo tackles, a small number for how many plays they ran to his lane. They ran at Strahm and they passed at Strahm, because they could successfully. Many of his "tackles" were grabbing assists and not real stops. He is overrated; not in the same league as McSurdy or Coyle. There is a reason why QB draws have been so successful against us; he is frequently out of position and is slow to pursue. He is in the middle of a defense that can't get itself off the field. 30 first downs, 89 plays, 532 yards.

 

[Fahque]

Kickoffs were way better with Semenza! Strahm had bad game and was not giving great effort chasing after runners who broke past the line. Jogged after them. Safeties first half were non existent. Oline played well again. A few runs by Jensen were huge. No INTs. Better kick coverage, but still need return work but change at returner showed promise in his full speed attack. Dante looks like he needs more playing time...great hustle and tackling! Some great WR catches. I thought Stitt did much better with situational hurry up. When had them on heels he did it, but not just to do it.

Strahm led the team in tackles with 14, along with Banks, had .5 sacks and .5 TFL, and he had a "bad" game? Really?

I was surprised to see that Strahm had 14 tackles. He had a few series where things did not go well for him and a few really bad missed tackles. Ended up having a nice game overall

He said in the post-game that he missed 2 tackles, and the linebackers missed 6 or 7 as a group.

What he said and they way things actually were are two different things. Did you watch the game?

 

[PlayerRep]

Kickoffs were way better with Semenza! Strahm had bad game and was not giving great effort chasing after runners who broke past the line. Jogged after them. Safeties first half were non existent. Oline played well again. A few runs by Jensen were huge. No INTs. Better kick coverage, but still need return work but change at returner showed promise in his full speed attack. Dante looks like he needs more playing time...great hustle and tackling! Some great WR catches. I thought Stitt did much better with situational hurry up. When had them on heels he did it, but not just to do it.

Strahm led the team in tackles with 14, along with Banks, had .5 sacks and .5 TFL, and he had a "bad" game? Really?

The point is how many he missed; arm tackles that ISU backs ran right through. He had 3 solo tackles, a small number for how many plays they ran to his lane. They ran at Strahm and they passed at Strahm, because they could successfully. Many of his "tackles" were grabbing assists and not real stops. He is overrated; not in the same league as McSurdy or Coyle. There is a reason why QB draws have been so successful against us; he is frequently out of position and is slow to pursue. He is in the middle of a defense that can't get itself off the field. 30 first downs, 89 plays, 532 yards.

You don't know what you're talking about on this subject, in my view. Buss had 3 solos, and Banks had 4 solos, by comparison. Are you saying they also had too few solos? I haven't noticed any qb draws where he was out of position or not blocked/screened well, but need to look more closely at the last game. Show the tape to back up your statement. Would like to see what you saw. Note that Strahm is in various blitz packages, and is one of the stand up guys on the line in some of the packages. Can't imagine that stopping the qb draw/run is one of his responsibilities in those packages. He pursues well and has good speed (was a safety in high school). No one has ever compared him to Coyle or McSurdy, to my knowledge.

 

[bgbigdog]

Kem was spot on in his assessment. Strahm isn’t in the class of talent that McSurdy, Coyle, Tripp, & JP represented. Go back & watch it yourself - he credits himself for two missed tackles during the game, and that would be true of just one drive where within four plays he didn’t break down to make the tackle on the QB for a sure sack and let the back push him out of the way on his way through the hole. I was reminded during the half that he wasn’t the only backer with issues and that was a fair criticism. Didn’t get to see the second half yet, so it sounds as if they figured it out in time.

It’s been well documented here & count me among the group looking for real tackling and less group hugging hoping to separate the ball from the carrier. Get the guy with the ball on the carpet with as many of your teammates as possible. That gives them a chance for more of that dirty stuff whiny-phen was so concerned about.

 

[IdahoGrizFan]

One thing I notice with the defense. What I remember about good defenses of the past is a swarming, 5 guys knocking the crap out of the runner. First guy makes a solid tackle the next guy can strip the ball. another thing, I saw this once against ISU, and that is the strong safety putting a hit on the runner. Do you remember a guy from Butte punishing the runner?

This I am not consistantly seeing yet. But this is what I believe we need to do.

What are we doing wrong that keeps us from playing like that.

When I played it was called bees swarming to honey, we all had our first responsibility but once the offense committed to an action, run or pass, we were all over it. Put the hurt on that guy with a lot of aggressive hits.

 

[Ursus1]

Let's not forget the "blanket" coverage he had on wheel route that was a TD. Needs to do his reads and not freelance...likely they saw that and exposed it

 

[PlayerRep]

Let's not forget the "blanket" coverage he had on wheel route that was a TD. Needs to do his reads and not freelance...likely they saw that and exposed it

Are you talking about Banks?

 

[PlayerRep]

Kem was spot on in his assessment. Strahm isn’t in the class of talent that McSurdy, Coyle, Tripp, & JP represented. Go back & watch it yourself - he credits himself for two missed tackles during the game, and that would be true of just one drive where within four plays he didn’t break down to make the tackle on the QB for a sure sack and let the back push him out of the way on his way through the hole. I was reminded during the half that he wasn’t the only backer with issues and that was a fair criticism. Didn’t get to see the second half yet, so it sounds as if they figured it out in time.

It’s been well documented here & count me among the group looking for real tackling and less group hugging hoping to separate the ball from the carrier. Get the guy with the ball on the carpet with as many of your teammates as possible. That gives them a chance for more of that dirty stuff whiny-phen was so concerned about.

So you didn’t even watch the second half? How did you become an expert on the game? Did you talk to the linebacker coach or the backers?

I agree that tackling was weak and needs to improve. But that doesn’t mean players had bad games. If they were so bad, their backups would have played more. You also might check around to see who’s playing hurt. Sanders got a lot of criticism last year, but he was playing hurt and the coaches must have believed he was the best option. Are you criticizing Sandry this year too?

 

[kemajic]

The point is how many he missed; arm tackles that ISU backs ran right through. He had 3 solo tackles, a small number for how many plays they ran to his lane. They ran at Strahm and they passed at Strahm, because they could successfully. Many of his "tackles" were grabbing assists and not real stops. He is overrated; not in the same league as McSurdy or Coyle. There is a reason why QB draws have been so successful against us; he is frequently out of position and is slow to pursue. He is in the middle of a defense that can't get itself off the field. 30 first downs, 89 plays, 532 yards.

You don't know what you're talking about on this subject, in my view. Buss had 3 solos, and Banks had 4 solos, by comparison. Are you saying they also had too few solos? I haven't noticed any qb draws where he was out of position or not blocked/screened well, but need to look more closely at the last game. Show the tape to back up your statement. Would like to see what you saw. Note that Strahm is in various blitz packages, and is one of the stand up guys on the line in some of the packages. Can't imagine that stopping the qb draw/run is one of his responsibilities in those packages. He pursues well and has good speed (was a safety in high school). No one has ever compared him to Coyle or McSurdy, to my knowledge.

I could expect no different response from you when the facts and most everyone else's observations don't fit your narrative. If you really believe the MLB does not have a major role in defending against QB draws, then it's you that doesn't "know what you're talking about on the this subject, in my view." Gregorak exposed this Griz weakness last year because he knew.

 

[Ursus1]

Let's not forget the "blanket" coverage he had on wheel route that was a TD. Needs to do his reads and not freelance...likely they saw that and exposed it

Are you talking about Banks?

I don't have it recorded, but at time I remember it being his responsibility. If you have recorded it go look and see if was Banks responsibility on that play. You may be correct, but before back ran wheel there were two other eligible receivers on that side (true right end, and one in tight but off ball). I think he was one chasing after the other two ran clearing routes to open up wheel. My mind is hazy so I very well could be mistaken

 

[bgbigdog]

Kem was spot on in his assessment. Strahm isn’t in the class of talent that McSurdy, Coyle, Tripp, & JP represented. Go back & watch it yourself - he credits himself for two missed tackles during the game, and that would be true of just one drive where within four plays he didn’t break down to make the tackle on the QB for a sure sack and let the back push him out of the way on his way through the hole. I was reminded during the half that he wasn’t the only backer with issues and that was a fair criticism. Didn’t get to see the second half yet, so it sounds as if they figured it out in time.

It’s been well documented here & count me among the group looking for real tackling and less group hugging hoping to separate the ball from the carrier. Get the guy with the ball on the carpet with as many of your teammates as possible. That gives them a chance for more of that dirty stuff whiny-phen was so concerned about.

So you didn’t even watch the second half? How did you become an expert on the game? Did you talk to the linebacker coach or the backers?

I agree that tackling was weak and needs to improve. But that doesn’t mean players had bad games. If they were so bad, their backups would have played more. You also might check around to see who’s playing hurt. Sanders got a lot of criticism last year, but he was playing hurt and the coaches must have believed he was the best option. Are you criticizing Sandry this year too?

No. As we’ve already established in the last couple of years, like yourself - I played D1 somewhere other than Montana. I was a tight end, so I’ve gone up against every kind of defender and was tackled a time or two.

I have no idea whos’ play is limited by injuries, but know everyone has got issues they are dealing with. There was no mention of Sandry or Sanders and my criticism was of the play in the first half. And I’d again differ in the notion that a defensive player can have a good game if they tackle poorly, that’s the first bullet point in the job description. This season, Semore seems to have no trouble substituting guys, witness guys like Cochran getting reps and making plays yesterday. And perhaps if Stitt had valued another DB or two, they wouldn’t have the razor thin ranks they suffer now.

 

[brewskis]

I think the good has been covered well...I’ll add in that this was just a gritty win on the road. We haven’t seen many of those. Nice to see this group pull that together.

Bad

Pass defense. Hurts to watch us give yards drive after drive and game after game. This should probably be in the ugly column.

Ugly

Containing the QB. If every play was a broken play we would probably be lucky to give up 500 yards a game. Someone needs to stay home to make a tackle or cover the RB sneaking out for a drop down.


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