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Gonzaga Forum... Oops I was looking for Griz basketball!!!
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I wonder if people realize that the Griz team looks at these boards once in awhile. It would be nice for them to see something encouraging and challenging and perhaps insightful. But to look at these boards and find them filled with Gonzaga stuff must be disheartening. GU Nation is the board for Gonzaga. It is a great board. We all could learn something from it.
This Griz team has been to the Dance 2 times in a row. Yes, they are finding their way right now, but I think they deserve a little respect. Gonzaga is a great team. I watch them too and admire their bball. But the Griz will be good this year!!!!
This Griz team has been to the Dance 2 times in a row. Yes, they are finding their way right now, but I think they deserve a little respect. Gonzaga is a great team. I watch them too and admire their bball. But the Griz will be good this year!!!!
Gonzaga has a good program. That said there is no reason that
Montana could not acheive the same. Larry started the climb-
he question is will the Griz repeat; the talent is there-coachs
have to get it together. Montana has a great town, a great school,
and a decent arena. They need to pump the volume-market the
program,etc. The University needs to understand that last year
the Griz beat Nevada, stanford, Oral Roberts, and Loyola marymont.
With a litle more support and savvy Montana could be converted
into a legimate D1 power. Football maybe popular but the
program hasn't come close to acheiving what hoops did last
season. It must be nice to live in Never-neverland?
Montana could not acheive the same. Larry started the climb-
he question is will the Griz repeat; the talent is there-coachs
have to get it together. Montana has a great town, a great school,
and a decent arena. They need to pump the volume-market the
program,etc. The University needs to understand that last year
the Griz beat Nevada, stanford, Oral Roberts, and Loyola marymont.
With a litle more support and savvy Montana could be converted
into a legimate D1 power. Football maybe popular but the
program hasn't come close to acheiving what hoops did last
season. It must be nice to live in Never-neverland?
Swillbury
Well-known member
thebigticket
Member
It’s nice of BALLHOG to fanaticize about the potential of UM hoops, but there is absolutely no way that they will ever be a D-1 power, or anything close. It is ridiculous to insinuate this.
Maybe last week there would’ve been exiguous credibility by using a ranked Nevada team, but that has quickly dissipated this week after Nevada, probably better this year than last, got dumped by 9 against UNLV at home. They were down 17 at half. Nevada scored forty nine points at home. They shot an astounding 34% from the field and a far more shocking .067% from 3pt, (1 for 15). Even good teams rarely have this bad of a night, which begs the question are they that good? In wake of this extraordinarily inept performance, they are still in the polls, which is frankly appalling. So hurriedly use Nevada as a profound Griz conquest before they slip from the polls.
UNLV is wildly inconsistent and tremendously far from being a tournament team. They best EWU by three at home, lost to UCSB at home and beat NAU by 40 in Flagstaff. NAU, for intense purposes, should win the big sky without arduous effort, and the pounding that they took by a decrepit, inconsistent program like UNLV shows how far the big sky is from being a regarded mid major.
In fact, I would be inclined to argue that the big sky is enduring a significant loss in prestige, if the conference did in fact have any, from the mid 90's., when, interestingly, Weber State beat UNC (slightly more visible than Nevada) and made the sweet sixteen. This, in hindsight, is a much more impressive run than the Griz's last year, who were the beneficiaries of a week bracket, and unscrupulous seeding. During the mid 90’s, Montana State gave Syracuse, which made the title game a very tough run. NAU, during those years, also gave St. John's (I believe a 2 seed) a genuine test.
The big sky certainly hasn't gotten better as a league by adding Northern Colorado and relying on PSU to be one of their "better teams." One of the best things they could do would be adding North Dakota State, which has annexed basketball pride in the state of Wisconsin by beating highly ranked Wisconsin and Marquette on their home courts the last two years. These wins were not on neutral tournament courts, and, obviously, are far more remarkable than the Griz's only tangible claim- the Nevada win.
Although there are a bevy of reasons the Griz won't ever be a D-1 power, there are a few of particular interest. Amongst others, the Griz will never be able to go on the road and secure "big" wins. This, as much as it pains me to say, Gonzaga has done with surprising efficiency. UM is a terrible road team, the majority of us could agree on this. Reference recent years for blowouts at: Boise State, Idaho State, Gonzaga, Western Kentucky, Missouri, and San Francisco. The majority of these teams are not great programs and these are bad road losses.
Secondly, to highlight the Giz’s inability to effectively compete I'll site BALLHOG'S unsubstantiated key wins against: Oral Roberts, Stanford and Loyola Marymount, the last being particularly absurd. Outside of the Nevada win, which I have addressed, these “key” wins came at home, and, to further discredit their value, I don’t believe any one of these teams made the dance. Stanford and Layola Marymount had extremely marginal years.
Furthermore, we saw how the Griz competed at the Old Spice classic against a good mix of average teams from big and small conferences alike. There only win came against Minnesota, they just lost to Arkansas State at home, and munsoned their head coach. UM was blown out by Virginia Tech, and thoroughly routed and humiliated by West Virginia, they were picked to finish, I believe, 13th in the Big East.
I apologize about the length of this post resembling a dissertation on the transformation of Lithuania’s economy, but the evidence for the Griz failing to ever enter national consciousness is overwhelming.
Maybe last week there would’ve been exiguous credibility by using a ranked Nevada team, but that has quickly dissipated this week after Nevada, probably better this year than last, got dumped by 9 against UNLV at home. They were down 17 at half. Nevada scored forty nine points at home. They shot an astounding 34% from the field and a far more shocking .067% from 3pt, (1 for 15). Even good teams rarely have this bad of a night, which begs the question are they that good? In wake of this extraordinarily inept performance, they are still in the polls, which is frankly appalling. So hurriedly use Nevada as a profound Griz conquest before they slip from the polls.
UNLV is wildly inconsistent and tremendously far from being a tournament team. They best EWU by three at home, lost to UCSB at home and beat NAU by 40 in Flagstaff. NAU, for intense purposes, should win the big sky without arduous effort, and the pounding that they took by a decrepit, inconsistent program like UNLV shows how far the big sky is from being a regarded mid major.
In fact, I would be inclined to argue that the big sky is enduring a significant loss in prestige, if the conference did in fact have any, from the mid 90's., when, interestingly, Weber State beat UNC (slightly more visible than Nevada) and made the sweet sixteen. This, in hindsight, is a much more impressive run than the Griz's last year, who were the beneficiaries of a week bracket, and unscrupulous seeding. During the mid 90’s, Montana State gave Syracuse, which made the title game a very tough run. NAU, during those years, also gave St. John's (I believe a 2 seed) a genuine test.
The big sky certainly hasn't gotten better as a league by adding Northern Colorado and relying on PSU to be one of their "better teams." One of the best things they could do would be adding North Dakota State, which has annexed basketball pride in the state of Wisconsin by beating highly ranked Wisconsin and Marquette on their home courts the last two years. These wins were not on neutral tournament courts, and, obviously, are far more remarkable than the Griz's only tangible claim- the Nevada win.
Although there are a bevy of reasons the Griz won't ever be a D-1 power, there are a few of particular interest. Amongst others, the Griz will never be able to go on the road and secure "big" wins. This, as much as it pains me to say, Gonzaga has done with surprising efficiency. UM is a terrible road team, the majority of us could agree on this. Reference recent years for blowouts at: Boise State, Idaho State, Gonzaga, Western Kentucky, Missouri, and San Francisco. The majority of these teams are not great programs and these are bad road losses.
Secondly, to highlight the Giz’s inability to effectively compete I'll site BALLHOG'S unsubstantiated key wins against: Oral Roberts, Stanford and Loyola Marymount, the last being particularly absurd. Outside of the Nevada win, which I have addressed, these “key” wins came at home, and, to further discredit their value, I don’t believe any one of these teams made the dance. Stanford and Layola Marymount had extremely marginal years.
Furthermore, we saw how the Griz competed at the Old Spice classic against a good mix of average teams from big and small conferences alike. There only win came against Minnesota, they just lost to Arkansas State at home, and munsoned their head coach. UM was blown out by Virginia Tech, and thoroughly routed and humiliated by West Virginia, they were picked to finish, I believe, 13th in the Big East.
I apologize about the length of this post resembling a dissertation on the transformation of Lithuania’s economy, but the evidence for the Griz failing to ever enter national consciousness is overwhelming.
thebigticket, if you want to belittle both UM and GU, why are you here? Shouldn't you be on the......I don't know.....Villanova board?
EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot about the new policy enacted by GA. Carry on kind sir.
PS- am I right about the school, thebigticket? If so, you sure went a long way from home to get an undergraduate degree....not saying anything's wrong with that.
EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot about the new policy enacted by GA. Carry on kind sir.
PS- am I right about the school, thebigticket? If so, you sure went a long way from home to get an undergraduate degree....not saying anything's wrong with that.
thebigticket
Member
I meant to put fantasize, but inaccurately typed fanaticize. This coincidentally seems to work, considering the definition below. This makes your snide quip even more useless. Do these definitions differ from those at the Carbon County Library? Who else on the board knows where that is?
Fanaticize: to act or show fanaticism. Fanatic: excessive, irrational zeal.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fanaticize
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fanaticism
Fanaticize: to act or show fanaticism. Fanatic: excessive, irrational zeal.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fanaticize
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fanaticism
Oh no....I think thebigticket received his education at Villanova. I extrapolated this tidbit from the fact that the endowment figure he gave for his alma mater matches exactly that of Villanova. It makes for a queer paradox that he belittles the zags when his team has already lost to Xavier and Drexel this year. Also, it does the same when he brings up "bang for your buck" as a reason for UM's and MSU's superiority to GU. (Villanova tuition and fees: $45,715 for on campus; $38,055 for off campus). Kind of a "glass houses" situation, no?
In the unlikely possibility that I have misidentified thebigticket's mysterious alma mater, I apologize. (but the number matches perfectly).
In the unlikely possibility that I have misidentified thebigticket's mysterious alma mater, I apologize. (but the number matches perfectly).
thebigticket
Member
Sometime back, I had read in "The Economist” or "Business Week" that, according to a respected economist, the real estate market in Couer D’alene was one area that could possibly burst. The formula, I believe, concerned wage and job growth not supporting real estate prices. I am not sure but this seems to be your area of specialty, or is it? It couldn't be slow enough for you, as a real estate developer, to conduct time consuming, far from astute research, again? Directing all these endowments finding into a classic example of mine is bigger than yours, which you, undeniably, lost. Concerning the histories of Villanova and Gonzaga, objective figures will tell the tale.
Last National Title:
Villanova: 1985
Gonzaga: Never
Last Final Four Appearance:
Villanova: 1985
Gonzaga: Never
Last Number One Seed:
Villanova: 05/06
Gonzaga: Never
Last Elite Eight:
Villanova: 05/06
Gonzaga: 1999
Elite Eight Appearances the 25 years:
Villanova: 3
Gonzaga: 1
Last Time Ranked #1:
Villanova: 1995
Gonzaga: Never
Number of Respective Conferences National Titles (Past 25 years).
Big East: 6
West Coast: 0
Number of Losses this year:
Villanova: 2
Gonzaga: 2
Losses to an opponent that has been ranked:
Villanova: 1
Gonzaga: 1
Again, great research, we should all be thankful you had the time to do it. After you have taken even more time to see that nearly every historical statistic is in Villanova's favor, you might finally feel like you wasted time. Any person, regardless of affiliation, with these facts in their favor is equipped to condescendingly discuss Gonzaga basketball.
Last National Title:
Villanova: 1985
Gonzaga: Never
Last Final Four Appearance:
Villanova: 1985
Gonzaga: Never
Last Number One Seed:
Villanova: 05/06
Gonzaga: Never
Last Elite Eight:
Villanova: 05/06
Gonzaga: 1999
Elite Eight Appearances the 25 years:
Villanova: 3
Gonzaga: 1
Last Time Ranked #1:
Villanova: 1995
Gonzaga: Never
Number of Respective Conferences National Titles (Past 25 years).
Big East: 6
West Coast: 0
Number of Losses this year:
Villanova: 2
Gonzaga: 2
Losses to an opponent that has been ranked:
Villanova: 1
Gonzaga: 1
Again, great research, we should all be thankful you had the time to do it. After you have taken even more time to see that nearly every historical statistic is in Villanova's favor, you might finally feel like you wasted time. Any person, regardless of affiliation, with these facts in their favor is equipped to condescendingly discuss Gonzaga basketball.
bigticket, I know Villanova has had more success than GU. Great for them! They were the GU of the Eighties. As for my occupation, I'm currently planning a move to SoCal with my girlfriend who is a radiologist, so I don't really care what the CDA market looks like. I am a real estate developer and we did a lot of business last year, but I'm probably going to give it up go to law school. Hopefully, the old radiologist income will pay for my student loans :fingers crossed: Take it easy, Villanova is a good school.
mtgrizrule
Well-known member
Why can't the handful of Gonzaga fans just exchange pm or post Gonzaga posts where it belongs, A "GONZAGA" board. This is ridiculous. I actually like Gonzaga, but if I want Gonzaga Basketball I go to their site for it.
thebigticket said:
I guess I really didn't read your post very well. For one thing, I never compared GU's endowment to Villanova's; you did. So it's a tough claim to make that I lost some "mine's bigger than yours" contest. Since I went to undergrad @ UM, I would lose this argument pretty much every time, so I would never take part in it.
Also, the time it took to do the research (identifying your alma mater and looking up their record this year) took me all of 2 minutes. (google, espn.com, and a Comcast high-speed connection), so yeah, I had the time. Given this fact, there is no reason for you to bring up my occupation; trying to make me sweat about some localized residential sector downturn (which, I'm sure, a local homebuilder would worry about, but not really someone in my position); or anything to that effect.
Also, I don't believe I ever said that GU was a more storied program overall, but just a better TEAM THIS SEASON. So, your historical facts are out of the scope.
Try to limit your rebuttals to arguments that have actually been made, and stop trying to interject facts from left-field in order to help you make a point.
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