Generous forward progress spots

[Grisly Fan]

Field positioning could be done via GPS which can have a 1 cm accuracy. RF tracking of the football can result in similar accuracy and be tracked in real time. Recall the visual trail added to the puck on TV that was tried by the NHL for a short while. These systems are not expensive but take a little time to calibrate for these levels of accuracy but the benefit would be extremely accurate locating of the football. The only job would then be for the officials to judge when a ball carrier was down. Of course they would on occasion screw that up as the do already.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Apparently the thought was that a timeout would have been a waste because the BigSky review official only has so many angles they can look at.

It was also noted that wining a challenge for a spot has essentially no chance at being overturned in the Big Sky.

 

[Allezchat]

Field positioning could be done via GPS which can have a 1 cm accuracy. RF tracking of the football can result in similar accuracy and be tracked in real time. Recall the visual trail added to the puck on TV that was tried by the NHL for a short while. These systems are not expensive but take a little time to calibrate for these levels of accuracy but the benefit would be extremely accurate locating of the football. The only job would then be for the officials to judge when a ball carrier was down. Of course they would on occasion screw that up as the do already.

Tennis had been doing something like this for years. And it takes all of 5 seconds.

 

[Zirg]

Can someone take still photos off their TV from the replay and post? At no point does the ball or ball carrier cross the line to gain.

We all agree about that. I guess I still don't understand who's responsible to challenge it. The Replay-ref is authorized to jump in any time they realize a mistake has been made aren't they? They jumped in every time it benefitted Idaho it seemed. Was it Bobby's fault to not challenge or call time-out or the Replay refs fault for not over-turning an obvious error?

 

[oldrunner]

As long as the crews are consistent in their calls and progress marking, I'm okay with it. I have seen crews who are quite generous and crews who are not. They have usually been consistent throughout the game. The only problem I see is that officiating crews are not consistent with other crews. When one crew calls holding for a set of actions and another crew does not see holding for those same actions, it can be temporarily confusing for some coaches and players. Those teams who adjust the quickest will have an advantage. I feel that it is more on the players and coaches to make the adjustments without trying to change the minds and hearts of officials. If they are not calling holding, for example, hold all you want until you find their limits. Just remember that each game is a new day with a new crew. My feelings are that our coaches know the tendencies of each crew and instruct players accordingly. Same goes for the replay booth guys. The human part of the game is the game. Humans make mistakes. Coaches could challenge many things during a game, but usually choose not to. It's only us fans who are right 100% of the time. ;-)

 

[mthoopsfan]

Apparently the thought was that a timeout would have been a waste because the BigSky review official only has so many angles they can look at.

It was also noted that wining a challenge for a spot has essentially no chance at being overturned in the Big Sky.

I would have taken the TO and challenge. It was a critical play. While Bobby couldn't have seen it, but the coaches in the booth would have had a good view. It was obvious. The replay showed at the stadium showed the guy was short, and Hauck had made a great tackle. The camera view should have been good from the press box. A revised ruling there wouldn't likely have changed the course of the game.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Can someone take still photos off their TV from the replay and post? At no point does the ball or ball carrier cross the line to gain.

We all agree about that. I guess I still don't understand who's responsible to challenge it. The Replay-ref is authorized to jump in any time they realize a mistake has been made aren't they? They jumped in every time it benefitted Idaho it seemed. Was it Bobby's fault to not challenge or call time-out or the Replay refs fault for not over-turning an obvious error?

My understanding is that Bobby could have taken a TO (required) and used his one challenge (per game).

 

[oldrunner]

Can someone take still photos off their TV from the replay and post? At no point does the ball or ball carrier cross the line to gain.

We all agree about that. I guess I still don't understand who's responsible to challenge it. The Replay-ref is authorized to jump in any time they realize a mistake has been made aren't they? They jumped in every time it benefitted Idaho it seemed. Was it Bobby's fault to not challenge or call time-out or the Replay refs fault for not over-turning an obvious error?

I saw the play you are talking about, and saw several replays. I don't have a horse in that race and might be a bit more objective. It looked to me like the ball carrier got the ball to the line to gain and was then pulled backwards with a good hit and tackle. One replay angle showed the ball making the line to gain and another angle looked like it was short. At any rate there wasn't enough there to overturn the call on the field and your coaches probably saw that as well.

 

[EverettGriz]

I record and watch at least 6 games every weekend and have done so for as long as I have had DVR. (Yes feel free to feel sorry for my wife) I know there have been changes to shorten games to suit television media but in my opinion they have gone too far in giving the benefit of the doubt to the offense on forward progressspots. Griz stopped a runner for a 4 yard loss and they marked it as two yards. At the time it could have made a huge difference. Then there was the 4th down stop that was called first down. I think later in a close game the generosity needs to go away and marks need to be scrutinized. It is extremely rare that you will see the chain gang called out for a measurement.

Are you retired? How in the world do you have that much time?

I presume he doesn’t spend a great deal of time, down with the fellas, wrastlin at the dojo.

 

[mthoopsfan]

We all agree about that. I guess I still don't understand who's responsible to challenge it. The Replay-ref is authorized to jump in any time they realize a mistake has been made aren't they? They jumped in every time it benefitted Idaho it seemed. Was it Bobby's fault to not challenge or call time-out or the Replay refs fault for not over-turning an obvious error?

I saw the play you are talking about, and saw several replays. I don't have a horse in that race and might be a bit more objective. It looked to me like the ball carrier got the ball to the line to gain and was then pulled backwards with a good hit and tackle. One replay angle showed the ball making the line to gain and another angle looked like it was short. At any rate there wasn't enough there to overturn the call on the field and your coaches probably saw that as well.

I call BS on your post. You are wrong, and you are biased. It was an incredible tackle, and the runner never had the ball in front of his body. The tackle caused the running to twist and go backwards. I saw no replay showing the ball close to the line of gain. I also had a perfect view of the ball from my seat, as did all of the guys around me, all of whom had played college football. I immediately saw the ref make the wrong spot, and started yelling. Refs often make the wrong spot on forward progress. They run to spot ahead of where the runner was tackled. This runner didn't get pushed backwards. He just got tackled in a way that he didn't get another inch after he was tackled. It was kind of weird, because the hit was low and not high. It caused the runner to stop immediately, twist and go down. He could have reached forward with the ball, but he didn't. He just twisted and went down, and slightly backwards.

The only good angle of replay would have been from the press box almost straight at the play.

I believe the call would have been overturned on replay.

 

[Montanabob]

Can you challenge a play in college football?

The Replay Official has authority to review a play, to stop game action and render a decision on any replay. On-field officials have no authority to request a review. Each head coach is allowed one challenge per game which he exercises by requesting a timeout for purposes of instant replay.

From the NCAA rulebook:

Which is exactly you don't challenge on something like a close call on a first down. You need it for a turnover or a touchdown

 

[mthoopsfan]

Are you retired? How in the world do you have that much time?

I presume he doesn’t spend a great deal of time, down with the fellas, wrastlin at the dojo.

Grisly Fan, I completely agree with you. My view is that refs who never played the game, are the ones who spot the ball ahead of where it should be on forward progress. It happens way too much.

 

[mthoopsfan]

From the NCAA rulebook:

Which is exactly you don't challenge on something like a close call on a first down. You need it for a turnover or a touchdown

Yup, that has become my understanding of the rule, thanks to some recent posts. Thanks for posting the actual rule.

I think it was definitely worth a challenge. That play was critical, and judged in retrospect, would/could have changed the game. I thought the Idaho coach made a dumb call. He got lucky. Who cares if you lose a challenge/TO on a play that critical. I fault the guys in the booth who didn't insist on a challenge. That was the worst call of the game. Ha.

 

[behappp]

Which is exactly you don't challenge on something like a close call on a first down. You need it for a turnover or a touchdown

Yup, that has become my understanding of the rule, thanks to some recent posts. Thanks for posting the actual rule.

I think it was definitely worth a challenge. That play was critical, and judged in retrospect, would/could have changed the game. I thought the Idaho coach made a dumb call. He got lucky. Who cares if you lose a challenge/TO on a play that critical. I fault the guys in the booth who didn't insist on a challenge. That was the worst call of the game. Ha.

100% on the coaches.
Despite the ST fumble leading to the safety we still had the lead at halftime. Our halftime adjustments weren't as good as Idaho's. Once again that is on the coaches.
When Bobby said to blame the coaches he wasn't wrong.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Are you retired? How in the world do you have that much time?

I presume he doesn’t spend a great deal of time, down with the fellas, wrastlin at the dojo.

While I laugh, you have brought dishonor upon this dojo and this ancient martial art. You will now fly to Greeley where you will be met by this man:

The two of you shall immediately become dispantalooned and engage in three rounds of gyration upon the ground. Winner takes all.

 

[Allezchat]

Yup, that has become my understanding of the rule, thanks to some recent posts. Thanks for posting the actual rule.

I think it was definitely worth a challenge. That play was critical, and judged in retrospect, would/could have changed the game. I thought the Idaho coach made a dumb call. He got lucky. Who cares if you lose a challenge/TO on a play that critical. I fault the guys in the booth who didn't insist on a challenge. That was the worst call of the game. Ha.

100% on the coaches.
Despite the ST fumble leading to the safety we still had the lead at halftime. Our halftime adjustments weren't as good as Idaho's. Once again that is on the coaches.
When Bobby said to blame the coaches he wasn't wrong.

Will he be making the coaches run the M?

 

[ilovethecats]

Are you retired? How in the world do you have that much time?

I presume he doesn’t spend a great deal of time, down with the fellas, wrastlin at the dojo.

Underrated....

 

[kurtismichael]

I presume he doesn’t spend a great deal of time, down with the fellas, wrastlin at the dojo.

While I laugh, you have brought dishonor upon this dojo and this ancient martial art. You will now fly to Greeley where you will be met by this man:

The two of you shall immediately become dispantalooned and engage in three rounds of gyration upon the ground. Winner takes all.

Does that include a V.I.P. Ticket to the train museum?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

While I laugh, you have brought dishonor upon this dojo and this ancient martial art. You will now fly to Greeley where you will be met by this man:

The two of you shall immediately become dispantalooned and engage in three rounds of gyration upon the ground. Winner takes all.

Does that include a V.I.P. Ticket to the train museum?

Unfortunately, it's just 25% off at the gift shop. I know, I know . . .

 

[kurtismichael]

Does that include a V.I.P. Ticket to the train museum?

Unfortunately, it's just 25% off at the gift shop. I know, I know . . .

Hey, not bad. That saves $1.25 on that $5 I Trains bumper sticker I’ve been saving up for since last Christmas.