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Garrett Graves fighting in MMA

If you grew up with Sugar Ray, you are probably about my age; "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler, Tommy "The Hitman" or "Motor City Cobra" Hearns, John "The Beast" Mugabi, Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor, Ray "boom Boom" Mancini, and "Bazooka" Limon. Those were the days of great fighters; and I'm forgetting guys like Alexis Arguello and of course Roberto "Hands of Stone" Duran.

Don't forget Montana's own Marvin Camel...Cruiser weight champ. I believe he was from Ronan?
he was from Ronan. I would sometimes ride my bike along beside him when he was running down the interstate...I thought it was a strange place to do road work...he had a brother Kenny who might have been even a better fighter.
 
I tend to disagree somewhat here. Comparing past greats in football to today's greats is apples to oranges when considering the size differences, let alone training methods. Boxing however, has set weight classes. So a welterweight from the 80s is the same size as a present day welterweight, and there isn't much difference in the "sweet science", it is what it is. Football schematics have changed drastically over time, but boxing is still boxing, it hasn't changed much, if at all. It is much easier and more accurate to compare past with present. That being said, we can only speculate.
The 80s were definitely the heyday of boxing, especially the lower weight classes where Leonard/Hagler/Duran/Hearns were all active at the same time, being pit against each other multiple times. Would absolutely love to see some AI generated round-robin tournament with Mayweather and Crawford thrown in, add Canelo, Pacquiao, and maybe Julio Caesar Chavez, Pernell "sweet pea" Whitaker, or a Mark Breland and let 'em duke it out. Now that would be something worth the price of admission.
Most certainly not apples to oranges.

Athletes in every sport are now so much more athletic in nearly every way.

Training methods, strength and agility, nutrition...on and on and on...

Sports of the 60s/70s/80s are not anywhere near the same...none of them.
 
Most certainly not apples to oranges.

Athletes in every sport are now so much more athletic in nearly every way.

Training methods, strength and agility, nutrition...on and on and on...

Sports of the 60s/70s/80s are not anywhere near the same...none of them.
what this dude said.
 
Most certainly not apples to oranges.

Athletes in every sport are now so much more athletic in nearly every way.

Training methods, strength and agility, nutrition...on and on and on...

Sports of the 60s/70s/80s are not anywhere near the same...none of them.
No, but put Larry Bird in today's NBA, with today's training, food, agility, travel, nutrition advancements and he'd make 99% of the NBA look like a putz.
 
No, but put Larry Bird in today's NBA, with today's training, food, agility, travel, nutrition advancements and he'd make 99% of the NBA look like a putz.
If you want to see what Larry Bird would look like today watch Luka Doncic. Very similar. Luka trains like the old school guys though. He likes his beer.
 
he was from Ronan. I would sometimes ride my bike along beside him when he was running down the interstate...I thought it was a strange place to do road work...he had a brother Kenny who might have been even a better fighter.
When I was in high school -- of course many years ago -- I played against Marvin, both in basketball and football. Of course, he was a great athlete and excellent in both sports, though he wasn't as filled out as he was when he was later when he was boxing. I remember a game on Ronan's football field when it was a muddy mess. Marvin was a receiver and caught the ball and I tackled him in the middle of the field where there was a huge puddle. We scooted across the puddle and I couldn't see when I got up because I had so much mud in my face....
 
If you haven't been to those events, they can be a lot of fun at the Adams Center. Great way to get out and support a former Griz, I'm sure a lot of his teammates will be there to cheer him on.

In the main event is Lloyd Mix, who used to be Lloyd Woodard. He had a great MMA career at one point, giving a great match against one of the Pitbulls in Bellator. I was really hoping he would win that tournament.

The whole show should definitely be well worth the price of admission if you are in town that night.
I’ll second this. I go to all the fights and the talent and overall production is better each time. Very entertaining.

The main bout will be bare knuckle. If you haven’t yet, check out BKFC as I think it’s going to be the future of MMA. Just nonstop action.

Looking forward to this one. I’ll be in Missoula Friday afternoon.
 
The main bout will be bare knuckle. If you haven’t yet, check out BKFC as I think it’s going to be the future of MMA. Just nonstop action.
As hard as it is to believe, the bare knuckle fights are also safer from the perspective of brain health. More cuts and bruises, so it looks ugly AF, but less CTE.
 
As hard as it is to believe, the bare knuckle fights are also safer from the perspective of brain health. More cuts and bruises, so it looks ugly AF, but less CTE.
No doubt. It's not for everyone as like you said guys faces can get pretty messed up. But as you mentioned, by design guys aren't taking constant blows for 10 rounds like boxing. Five 2-minute rounds if it goes the distance but usually doesn't.

But in regards to the Fusion MMA, I think people who have never watched will be pretty impressed with the product. The prelims are sometimes questionable as the fighters just don't have the experience. But as the night goes on the fights get better and better. If you're in Missoula and don't have plans Friday night, I highly recommend checking them out.
 
No doubt. It's not for everyone as like you said guys faces can get pretty messed up. But as you mentioned, by design guys aren't taking constant blows for 10 rounds like boxing. Five 2-minute rounds if it goes the distance but usually doesn't.

But in regards to the Fusion MMA, I think people who have never watched will be pretty impressed with the product. The prelims are sometimes questionable as the fighters just don't have the experience. But as the night goes on the fights get better and better. If you're in Missoula and don't have plans Friday night, I highly recommend checking them out.
This should be the future of MMA.
 
Maybe, the only guy I've ever seen Mayweather fight is Pacquiao and vice versa and I've never heard of Terrence Crawford. Comparing generations in any sport is a fun way to pass the time in a bar but really can't be backed up. Give the old guys the training methods of today and give the new guys the training of back then?

The only one that really holds up is the decathlon because the scoring is the scoring, which is why whenever a guy says "X" is the greatest athlete ever, they are wrong the answer is Jim Thorpe. ;)
Football and Boxing are totally different. Training in Boxing hasn’t changed hardly at all in 100 years. Nutrition would be the only thing. Everything else is exactly the same.
 
Football and Boxing are totally different. Training in Boxing hasn’t changed hardly at all in 100 years. Nutrition would be the only thing. Everything else is exactly the same.
I'd probably add cardio as well but I agree with you. I just recall an interview with a trainer before a big pay-per-view fight and he mentioned fighters today do so much more cardio work than even 20-30 years ago.
 
I'd probably add cardio as well but I agree with you. I just recall an interview with a trainer before a big pay-per-view fight and he mentioned fighters today do so much more cardio work than even 20-30 years ago.
They probably do more cardio now but it’s still essentially just running. Theres better treadmills and bikes now but not a huge difference from 30 years ago. It’s the easiest sport to compare eras is what I’m saying.
 
They probably do more cardio now but it’s still essentially just running. Theres better treadmills and bikes now but not a huge difference from 30 years ago. It’s the easiest sport to compare eras is what I’m saying.
I agree. I was mainly talking about the quantity of cardio than anything. I think it was before the Paquio/Mayweather fight and he said those guys were running like 50+ miles a week and 30 years ago guys were doing 5-10 miles basically as warmups between sparring sessions.

But I agree with your point.
 
They probably do more cardio now but it’s still essentially just running. Theres better treadmills and bikes now but not a huge difference from 30 years ago. It’s the easiest sport to compare eras is what I’m saying.
Current championship caliber boxers pay big money to people to manage and elevate their performance measures. Advanced heart monitors, VO2, and many, many more...

Maybe boxing works because current champions ain't going 18+ rounds....:)
 
Football and Boxing are totally different. Training in Boxing hasn’t changed hardly at all in 100 years. Nutrition would be the only thing. Everything else is exactly the same.
I dunno I think 100 years ago they fought more than 12 rounds even in the early 80's they went 15 rounds. wasn't until the Korean boxer died fighting Boom Boom they changed to 12 rounds...but I also would say training has changed some..with computers and physical therapy and blood tests.....I guess some boxers get blood tests to determine how hard they can train on any given day or when to take easy days....

I would love to see how Ali, Foreman, Frazier etc would compare to todays top heavy weights....I wish boxing was not so corrupt tho...too many decisions that make zero sense..
 
So, when does Graves fight? Tonight? No doubt in my mind that if he does well a lot of Montanans will become fans of this "new style" fighting.
 

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