Future of 3-3-5

[Diesel]

West Virginia and SDSU have used 3-3-5 with success and Iowa 4-2-5 was mentioned NDSU man handled Iowa a few years back by destroying them at the “B” gap run. That is the seam NDSU exploited against the Griz. The 3-3-5 requires safeties to assume gap responsibility when facing heavy run formations. The other basic foundation is work inside out thus “A” gap is a strength of this defense, although many miss that part. If the free safety is attaching outside edge aggressively then the “B” gap can be exposed with no help to recover ounce exploited. BINGO! Watch NDSU RBs push between G and T although they are tight shoulder to shoulder there was no Safety covering that gap and it was a free run from there. After first exploit that should have been adjusted to have S cover that gap.
3-3-5 is good against option and spread offenses that BSC run. There was a improvement in defense this year, but starting with Idaho teams were taking advantage of a undisciplined style of play by the S position.
Since UM can’t seem to recruit large DL the 3-3-5 is a solid scheme although still requires 11 best players to have success.
As far as MSU, they have more speed on offense and are masters of OL creating seams and lanes. Until the Griz can win one on one matchups they will be a tough out.
Last, the Griz offense and in particular QB position and quality depth capable of running the offense helps take pressure off any defense the Griz run and the better the offense controls the clock and puts points up the less the defense is required to do. Complimentary FB.IMO

 

[Lord Vigo]

I think the Griz struggles to defense MSU's running game or NDSU's running game (and I would add, MSU's own struggles to defend the Bison) are much more about personnel than scheme.

Hauck and his staff have been coaching for a long time. If there were schematic adjustments to be made to fix run defense, they'd make them.

That's not an apologetic for the 3-3-5. I just don't think the system is really the main culprit.

 

[uofmman1122]

I think the Griz struggles to defense MSU's running game or NDSU's running game (and I would add, MSU's own struggles to defend the Bison) are much more about personnel than scheme.

Hauck and his staff have been coaching for a long time. If there were schematic adjustments to be made to fix run defense, they'd make them.

That's not an apologetic for the 3-3-5. I just don't think the system is really the main culprit.

I don't particularly like the 3-3-5, but I tend to agree here. Also have no idea/confidence if changing the scheme over the offseason will lead to a better, more sound defense.

 

[indiancoyote]

West Virginia and SDSU have used 3-3-5 with success and Iowa 4-2-5 was mentioned NDSU man handled Iowa a few years back by destroying them at the “B” gap run. That is the seam NDSU exploited against the Griz. The 3-3-5 requires safeties to assume gap responsibility when facing heavy run formations. The other basic foundation is work inside out thus “A” gap is a strength of this defense, although many miss that part. If the free safety is attaching outside edge aggressively then the “B” gap can be exposed with no help to recover ounce exploited. BINGO! Watch NDSU RBs push between G and T although they are tight shoulder to shoulder there was no Safety covering that gap and it was a free run from there. After first exploit that should have been adjusted to have S cover that gap.
3-3-5 is good against option and spread offenses that BSC run. There was a improvement in defense this year, but starting with Idaho teams were taking advantage of a undisciplined style of play by the S position.
Since UM can’t seem to recruit large DL the 3-3-5 is a solid scheme although still requires 11 best players to have success.
As far as MSU, they have more speed on offense and are masters of OL creating seams and lanes. Until the Griz can win one on one matchups they will be a tough out.
Last, the Griz offense and in particular QB position and quality depth capable of running the offense helps take pressure off any defense the Griz run and the better the offense controls the clock and puts points up the less the defense is required to do. Complimentary FB.IMO

If it was a successful scheme it would be copied all across college football. Thats what college coaches do--copy. Its not, because its a gimmick defense that places players in unsound positions that result in big plays for the other team.

 

[DrainBramage]

One of these things is true:

A) the 3-3-5 (as it’s designed or as we run it) does NOT stop good rushing teams with dual threat QB’s.
B) The good rushing teams have figured out how to beat the 3-3-5 (to the tune of 450-500 yards rushing per game)
C) The 3-3-5 works fine, but we don’t have good enough athletes to run the 3-3-5
D) The 3-3-5 works fine, but we aren’t coached up/fundamentally gap sound enough to run it effectively.

E) The focus of the Griz is to play in the backfield to confuse the QB & disrupt the play. In the face of top tier O-line blockers the Griz aren't able to back fill the gaps with speed and intensity.

The solution may not be about the size of the players & more about defensive play calling. Call the plays that ask the players to fill & hold each gap when facing teams like NDSU & the Kittens.

 

[DrainBramage]

If it was a successful scheme it would be copied all across college football. Thats what college coaches do--copy. Its not, because its a gimmick defense that places players in unsound positions that result in big plays for the other team.

Are you indirectly suggesting that we copy the Kittens offensives scheme? 'cuz that is certainly working.

 

[Lord Vigo]

If it was a successful scheme it would be copied all across college football. Thats what college coaches do--copy. Its not, because its a gimmick defense that places players in unsound positions that result in big plays for the other team.

Are you indirectly suggesting that we copy the Kittens offensives scheme? 'cuz that is certainly working.

There are many approaches that can be highly successful. The idea isn’t to find the perfect scheme, it’s to have an identity, recruit to it, and marry the right talent to the right system.

I don’t think that the Griz had the size on the DL or the speed at LB/SS to carry off the 3-3-5 against good teams. That doesn’t mean it could never work with different players.

 

[indiancoyote]

If it was a successful scheme it would be copied all across college football. Thats what college coaches do--copy. Its not, because its a gimmick defense that places players in unsound positions that result in big plays for the other team.

Are you indirectly suggesting that we copy the Kittens offensives scheme? 'cuz that is certainly working.

No kidding. They run a small fry football offense and kicked assess all over the field.

 

[Diesel]

Jimmy and Joes over X’s andO’s.