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Fullerton wants to split the BSC into two football leagues

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billings_poke

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One league playing FBS football and one league playing FCS football

Man this guy really wants Idaho doesn't he.


http://missoulian.com/college/griz/speltz-big-sky-s-commish-eyes-change/article_921c10a0-1ab4-11e4-8876-001a4bcf887a.html?comment_form=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Maybe this article explain Fullerton's thought

"The FCS is going extinct.

That’s what Eastern Kentucky coach Dean Hood says at least, taking a break from preparing for his upcoming season that ends Nov. 22 at Florida (for $550,000) to talk about the future.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/08/02/4269092/checkbooks-and-balances-budgets.html?sp=/99/1444/1649/#storylink=cpy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"
 
I've been for this for a long time.

FBS- Big Sky
1. Montana
2. Montana State
3. Eastern Washington
4. Idaho
5. Cal Poly
6. Portland State
7. Northern Arizona

FCS-Big Sky
1. Idaho State
2. North Dakota
3. Northern Colorado
4. Weber State
5. Southern Utah
6. UC Davis
7. Sacramento State

Tuff call between Sac St and NAU for 7th spot. Right now I think Sac St is more ready across the board for a move up except for football attendence. If the current requirements for an FBS school will be in place here then NAU is gonna get the nod.
 
Need to see more specifics from Fullerton---the linked articles paint a very ominous and foreboding future....
 
alabamagrizzly said:
I've been for this for a long time.

FBS- Big Sky
1. Montana
2. Montana State
3. Eastern Washington
4. Idaho
5. Cal Poly
6. Portland State
7. Northern Arizona

FCS-Big Sky
1. Idaho State
2. North Dakota
3. Northern Colorado
4. Weber State
5. Southern Utah
6. UC Davis
7. Sacramento State

Tuff call between Sac St and NAU for 7th spot. Right now I think Sac St is more ready across the board for a move up except for football attendence. If the current requirements for an FBS school will be in place here then NAU is gonna get the nod.
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I would flip NAU and Weber... think Facilities...
 
I don't understand the logic in the Miami Herald article. It seems to be that: since there may be fewer FBS money games for FCS teams in the future (even though there will be more than ever this year), and FCS teams may eventually lose up to $500,000 (1 game) or $1 million (2 games) of revenue, that FCS will become extinct because FCS teams will want to become FBS team so that they can get more of the better money games playing top FBS teams (like $1 million or more per game). But what about the additional $5 million (or $3 million for some) per year increase in costs to go to FBS? Yes, there will be some additional tv revenue, say $1 million or more net increase. Why would any school decide, for financial reasons, that it wants/needs to move up, when the additional costs are likely to exceed the additional revenues. Even Fullerton has pointed this out on multiple occasions.

In a 2012 article, I saw that Eastern Kentucky has 90% of its athletic budget subsidized by the state and student fees. If the state stops subsidizing, the Eastern Kentucky athletics will be extinct. That's pathetic financial results.
 
Here's a website showing college athletic budgets and state subsidies. Don't know the year. Couldn't see where student fees were in the calculation. Note that Montana is at or near the top of the heap for FCS school, for lower percentage state subsidy.

http://collegead.org/college-athletic-department-budgets/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Here's the thing about FBS: you have to have 16 sports. We have 21, NAU only has 15.

We have the budget, the facilities for football and we can use the new arena downtown until we get our new on campus one. Our region will turn out if we are seen at the top level. It's about perception here. FCS is perceived to be not as big, though with the exception of last year, we came close to avg 10K a game two years ago.
 
Paytonlives said:
alabamagrizzly said:
I've been for this for a long time.

FBS- Big Sky
1. Montana
2. Montana State
3. Eastern Washington
4. Idaho
5. Cal Poly
6. Portland State
7. Northern Arizona

FCS-Big Sky
1. Idaho State
2. North Dakota
3. Northern Colorado
4. Weber State
5. Southern Utah
6. UC Davis
7. Sacramento State

Tuff call between Sac St and NAU for 7th spot. Right now I think Sac St is more ready across the board for a move up except for football attendence. If the current requirements for an FBS school will be in place here then NAU is gonna get the nod.
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I would flip NAU and Weber... think Facilities...
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I know that would deffenetly be the case in basketball but is it also so in football? I know nothing of Weber's football facilities except for the stadium shots on tv.
 
alabamagrizzly said:
I've been for this for a long time.

FBS- Big Sky
1. Montana
2. Montana State
3. Eastern Washington
4. Idaho
5. Cal Poly
6. Portland State
7. Northern Arizona

FCS-Big Sky
1. Idaho State
2. North Dakota
3. Northern Colorado
4. Weber State
5. Southern Utah
6. UC Davis
7. Sacramento State

Tuff call between Sac St and NAU for 7th spot. Right now I think Sac St is more ready across the board for a move up except for football attendence. If the current requirements for an FBS school will be in place here then NAU is gonna get the nod.
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UCDavis and Sac St will go FBS. Davis and Poly go Big Sky full time.
UND will renovate Memorial with 20k seats and go FBS.
NDSU and SDSU will have to pay $1 mill exit fees, but they will have to come to have any chance of going FBS. (The Summit League knew this was coming as the Summit League just raised the exit fee from 250k, that why NDSU's AD left as he cant stand the Big Sky and UND and MSU. NDSU's President knows the Big Sky will be their only avenue to FBS.) USD is more doubtful, as they will have a hard time with an FBS budget and Title IX will cripple them.

Fullerton's statements are a public acknowledgement that Big Sky teams that want FBS need to get their ducks in a row.

Big Sky FBS
1. Cal Poly (stadium expansion is planned over railroad tracks)
2. UCDavis (almost funded for 30K stadium expansion)
3. Sac St (ready)
4. Portland St (have to add women's sports)
5. Idaho
6. E Wash (have Gateway stadium expansion to be announced, need women's sports)
7. Montana (have to add another women's sport)
8. Mont St (add two women's sports , maybe equestrian)
9. UND (stadium expansion)
10. NMSU (may get an offer from the Sun Belt)
11. NDSU (can't get behind UND)
12. SDSU (new stadium being built)
13. USD (their dome will seat 16k once basketball is out)


The FCS Big Sky will merge with the WAC
Idaho St
Weber St (could go but too many FBS teams in area)
SUU
NAU (aren't funded well)
No Colo
Grand Canyon
Utah Valley
Bakersfield
Seattle
Maybe Dixie St as a 6th FCS team

The WAC will be a very reasonable travel league. Big Sky teams will have ready access to FCS schools for filling out their schedules.

UMKC, Chic St go back to the Summit
UTPA goes to the Southland
 
AZGrizFan said:
No doubt that Sac State needs to be flipped for NAU in that scenario.
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I checked out Sac St's and NAU's attendence. I did not relize Sac St fans had stepped it up tgat much.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2013.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sac St 7868
NAU 7574

Also with NAU's dome, there's not much room for growth.
 
alabamagrizzly said:
AZGrizFan said:
No doubt that Sac State needs to be flipped for NAU in that scenario.
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I checked out Sac St's and NAU's attendence. I did not relize Sac St fans had stepped it up tgat much.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2013.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sac St 7868
NAU 7574

Also with NAU's dome, there's not much room for growth.
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Two years ago we avg 9,109 fans.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2012.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Montana has been orchestrating this whole thing for years. They gave the other schools that wanted to stay in an ultimatum that they would move up or they would have to leave. There are following through on their promises. The Big Sky will have the teams and markets Montana needs to be successful in FBS.
 
KoolMoeDee said:
UNDfan said:
8. Mont St (add two women's sports , maybe equestrian)
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Equestrian ? They'd simply add soccer and softball.
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Doesn't Montana State have horse barns?

Equestrian makes sense for AG schools. SDSU started it, and NDSU may be forced into it. A lot of SEC schools have it.
 
Considering the recent and current NCAA environment, I would absolutely love and support this. It would be nice to somehow maneuver the Dakota schools (especially NDSU), ID, NMSU, along with UM, MSU, EWU, PSU (can PSU and EWU step it up more for basketball as well?), Sac State, Cal Poly, Cal Davis, Weber State (can they step it up in football a lot more?). Of the remaining schools, the only other one I hope can be worked in would be NAU in the near future. It should be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
UNDfan said:
alabamagrizzly said:
I've been for this for a long time.

FBS- Big Sky
1. Montana
2. Montana State
3. Eastern Washington
4. Idaho
5. Cal Poly
6. Portland State
7. Northern Arizona

FCS-Big Sky
1. Idaho State
2. North Dakota
3. Northern Colorado
4. Weber State
5. Southern Utah
6. UC Davis
7. Sacramento State

Tuff call between Sac St and NAU for 7th spot. Right now I think Sac St is more ready across the board for a move up except for football attendence. If the current requirements for an FBS school will be in place here then NAU is gonna get the nod.
Click to expand...
UCDavis and Sac St will go FBS. Davis and Poly go Big Sky full time.
UND will renovate Memorial with 20k seats and go FBS.
NDSU and SDSU will have to pay $1 mill exit fees, but they will have to come to have any chance of going FBS. (The Summit League knew this was coming as the Summit League just raised the exit fee from 250k, that why NDSU's AD left as he cant stand the Big Sky and UND and MSU. NDSU's President knows the Big Sky will be their only avenue to FBS.) USD is more doubtful, as they will have a hard time with an FBS budget and Title IX will cripple them.

Fullerton's statements are a public acknowledgement that Big Sky teams that want FBS need to get their ducks in a row.

Big Sky FBS
1. Cal Poly (stadium expansion is planned over railroad tracks)
2. UCDavis (almost funded for 30K stadium expansion)
3. Sac St (ready)
4. Portland St (have to add women's sports)
5. Idaho
6. E Wash (have Gateway stadium expansion to be announced, need women's sports)
7. Montana (have to add another women's sport)
8. Mont St (add two women's sports , maybe equestrian)
9. UND (stadium expansion)
10. NMSU (may get an offer from the Sun Belt)
11. NDSU (can't get behind UND)
12. SDSU (new stadium being built)
13. USD (their dome will seat 16k once basketball is out)


The FCS Big Sky will merge with the WAC
Idaho St
Weber St (could go but too many FBS teams in area)
SUU
NAU (aren't funded well)
No Colo
Grand Canyon
Utah Valley
Bakersfield
Seattle
Maybe Dixie St as a 6th FCS team

The WAC will be a very reasonable travel league. Big Sky teams will have ready access to FCS schools for filling out their schedules.

UMKC, Chic St go back to the Summit
UTPA goes to the Southland
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Looks like you have put some thought into this also. If your interested here's a link to a thread I started almost a year ago. Unfortunately I inadvertently named the conference after a Div 2 conference.
http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63038" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Intresting to compare people's responses now that Fullerton has come out publicly with the idea.
 
This is not a "new" plan. I just don't see how this is going to work for some schools. You get past two or three teams and it is going to be a huge financial challenge for these other teams. Lets say a miracle happens this year and Portland State doubles their attendance from an average of 230 fans a game to 460 fans? Big deal! It's going to be difficult to talk Universities (and EWU) into adding on more money losing athletic programs so their 1/2 ass football program can play in the FBS.

And two of the teams that are brought up for an easy transition to the FBS reside in Montana. The state government is reducing it's percentage of funding for the Universities. Unless there is a colossal change of direction from the state government, I'm not sure how going to the FBS is even possible for these two schools.
 
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