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Fritz tweets; Pflu expects JJ to remain at UM

UMGriz75 said:
Grizmayor said:
I don't know '75... if I possessed the moral compass that you do, I'd resign and remove myself from being a member of the "education" industry, and join a much more ethical and transparent organization like the Obama administration. ;)
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"Moral compass?"

You mean like this one:
Grizmayor wrote:
UMGriz75 wrote:

Grizmayor wrote:To add to clawman's query about drinking, as we know - Jordan Johnson was reportedly drunk at the Foresters' Ball when all this happened, correct? What is the legal drinking age in Montana? How old is Jordan Johnson? Does the football coach have rules about drinking for underage football players? if so, are college athletes allowed to break state laws that my son will get fined, probation and possible jail time for??? If the coach knows that Jordan Johnson was drunk (must have been in the police report, correct?) then why wasn't Jordan Johnson suspended for underage drinking??? Is this something that Coach Robin Pflugrad and Athletic Director Jim O'Day and the "committee" turned a blindeye to because he's a starting quarterback? Or are Grizzly athletes "special" and have their own set of laws?
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Is this rumor or fact? One of my kids was at the FB, and mentioned nothing about this.
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Fair enough... I can find nothing on EGriz that says he was drinking... just unfounded assumptions.
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That was a pretty detailed outburst for something you just made up.

Two of you seem bound and determined to accuse Jordan Johnson of something, even it requires fabricating the allegation that Engstrom "accused" him of something, or completely fabricating the allegation that he was drunk at the Forester's Ball.

Do either of you even know what a "moral compass" is?

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I think youre digging under rocks... I've never accused JJ of rape. I asked a larger question that if JJ was drinking underage (which I know I've read SOMEWHERE), would it be poo-poo'd off since the greater charge of rape was covered by sand by a "civil agreement". Christ, you're a teacher, I'll place my moral compass over yours any day of the week Professor. AND, when I could not find the "drunk" commentary on JJ on EGriz, I immediately removed the post. You morally forgot to mention that, I guess.
 
Grizmayor said:
I think youre digging under rocks... I've never accused JJ of rape. I asked a larger question that if JJ was drinking underage (which I know I've read SOMEWHERE), would it be poo-poo'd off since the greater charge of rape was covered by sand by a "civil agreement". Christ, you're a teacher, I'll place my moral compass over yours any day of the week Professor. AND, when I could not find the "drunk" commentary on JJ on EGriz, I immediately removed the post. You morally forgot to mention that, I guess.
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Wow, the "greater charge of rape" was covered by sand, eh?

But you've "never accused JJ of rape," having just said that the "greater charge" of it was "covered" up?

Looks like the complete lack of any compass.

You "immediately removed the post" about the drinking, and I removed mine reciting the fabrication. Then you LEFT YOUR COMPLETE REPRISE OF THE CONVERSATION ON THE NEXT COMMENT, which in that internet-thingy sort of way, leaves it there.

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=56715" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, there it all is now. Lots of accusations about a young man who, in fact, has had none of those accusations actually made against him by anybody except by two guys on egriz who are proud of their moral compasses.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Grizmayor said:
I think youre digging under rocks... I've never accused JJ of rape. I asked a larger question that if JJ was drinking underage (which I know I've read SOMEWHERE), would it be poo-poo'd off since the greater charge of rape was covered by sand by a "civil agreement". Christ, you're a teacher, I'll place my moral compass over yours any day of the week Professor. AND, when I could not find the "drunk" commentary on JJ on EGriz, I immediately removed the post. You morally forgot to mention that, I guess.
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Wow, the "greater charge of rape" was covered by sand, eh?

But you've "never accused JJ of rape," having just said that the "greater charge" of it was "covered" up?

Looks like the complete lack of any compass.

You "immediately removed the post" about the drinking, and I removed mine reciting the fabrication. Then you LEFT YOUR COMPLETE REPRISE OF THE CONVERSATION ON THE NEXT COMMENT, which in that internet-thingy sort of way, leaves it there.

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=56715" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, there it all is now. Lots of accusations about a young man who, in fact, has had none of those accusations actually made against him by anybody except by two guys on egriz who are proud of their moral compasses.
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The woman took out a temporary restraining order against Johnson on March 9, citing sexual assault as the reason. A police report filed March 16 alleges a Feb. 4 rape and the police investigation into that accusation continues. Through his attorney, David Paoli, Johnson has denied the allegation.

Read more: http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/griz-qb-allowed-back-at-practice-by-legal-misunderstanding-says/article_ececa6dc-7950-11e1-bdb8-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz1r0IXUxiq" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Sure looks to me like he HAS been accused of sexual assault/rape. Hasn't been CHARGED, but has been ACCUSED. You might want to wordsmith your own posts before you start worrying about someone else's, professor.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Sure looks to me like he HAS been accused of sexual assault/rape. Hasn't been CHARGED, but has been ACCUSED. You might want to wordsmith your own posts before you start worrying about someone else's, professor.
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Ahh, but the record shows you didn't know that; nice googling, but when you claimed it, you were, in fact, making it up. Like I tell my students; being right accidentally is no substitute for honest claims in the first place, and particularly when they are defamatory.

I would, in any case, note the following:

"The woman took out a temporary restraining order against Johnson on March 9, citing sexual assault as the reason. A police report filed March 16 alleges a Feb. 4 rape and the police investigation into that accusation continues. Through his attorney, David Paoli, Johnson has denied the allegation.

"Last Friday, the restraining order was dismissed in favor of a civil no-contact order that forbids any contact between Johnson and the woman, and orders Johnson not to come within 1,500 feet of the woman or try to contact her – the same provisions in the temporary restraining order."

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/griz-qb-allowed-back-at-practice-by-legal-misunderstanding-says/article_ececa6dc-7950-11e1-bdb8-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz1r0VC2uyS" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The woman did not allege rape. The "police report" likely does not use the word "rape," particularly if it is still under "investigation" as "alleged."

In any case, what does that have to do with you accusing him? What do you know about it?
 
UMGriz75 said:
AZGrizFan said:
Sure looks to me like he HAS been accused of sexual assault/rape. Hasn't been CHARGED, but has been ACCUSED. You might want to wordsmith your own posts before you start worrying about someone else's, professor.
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Ahh, but the record shows you didn't know that; nice googling, but when you claimed it, you were, in fact, making it up. Like I tell my students; being right accidentally is no substitute for honest claims in the first place, and particularly when they are defamatory.

I would, in any case, note the following:

"The woman took out a temporary restraining order against Johnson on March 9, citing sexual assault as the reason. A police report filed March 16 alleges a Feb. 4 rape and the police investigation into that accusation continues. Through his attorney, David Paoli, Johnson has denied the allegation.

"Last Friday, the restraining order was dismissed in favor of a civil no-contact order that forbids any contact between Johnson and the woman, and orders Johnson not to come within 1,500 feet of the woman or try to contact her – the same provisions in the temporary restraining order."

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/griz-qb-allowed-back-at-practice-by-legal-misunderstanding-says/article_ececa6dc-7950-11e1-bdb8-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz1r0VC2uyS" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The woman did not allege rape. The "police report" likely does not use the word "rape," particularly if it is still under "investigation" as "alleged."

In any case, what does that have to do with you accusing him? What do you know about it?
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Yeah, I didn't know that. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Dude, I read the Missoulian every day. I just wasn't aware dickheads like you were going to wordsmith every post and had to actually source my posts. :?

And now you are questioning what a police report said? The reporter states very clearly that the police report alleges a Feb. 4th rape. So you're choosing to NOT believe the reporter THIS time, but you DO believe her when she quotes the President of the university in a statement that fits your way of thinking. Interesting.

YOU stated he hadn't been accused of rape. I posted proof that he clearly HAD been accused. YOU stepped in it, not me. Don't worry so much about what other people post and police your own damned self.
 
AZGrizFan said:
UMGriz75 said:
AZGrizFan said:
Sure looks to me like he HAS been accused of sexual assault/rape. Hasn't been CHARGED, but has been ACCUSED. You might want to wordsmith your own posts before you start worrying about someone else's, professor.
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Ahh, but the record shows you didn't know that; nice googling, but when you claimed it, you were, in fact, making it up. Like I tell my students; being right accidentally is no substitute for honest claims in the first place, and particularly when they are defamatory.

I would, in any case, note the following:

"The woman took out a temporary restraining order against Johnson on March 9, citing sexual assault as the reason. A police report filed March 16 alleges a Feb. 4 rape and the police investigation into that accusation continues. Through his attorney, David Paoli, Johnson has denied the allegation.

"Last Friday, the restraining order was dismissed in favor of a civil no-contact order that forbids any contact between Johnson and the woman, and orders Johnson not to come within 1,500 feet of the woman or try to contact her – the same provisions in the temporary restraining order."

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/griz-qb-allowed-back-at-practice-by-legal-misunderstanding-says/article_ececa6dc-7950-11e1-bdb8-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz1r0VC2uyS" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The woman did not allege rape. The "police report" likely does not use the word "rape," particularly if it is still under "investigation" as "alleged."

In any case, what does that have to do with you accusing him? What do you know about it?
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Yeah, I didn't know that. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Dude, I read the Missoulian every day. I just wasn't aware dickheads like you were going to wordsmith every post and had to actually source my posts. :?

And now you are questioning what a police report said? The reporter states very clearly that the police report alleges a Feb. 4th rape. So you're choosing to NOT believe the reporter THIS time, but you DO believe her when she quotes the President of the university in a statement that fits your way of thinking. Interesting.

YOU stated he hadn't been accused of rape. I posted proof that he clearly HAD been accused. YOU stepped in it, not me. Don't worry so much about what other people post and police your own damned self.
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As a student currently at UM, I hope I never have UMGriz75 as a professor...
 
UMGriz75 said:
AZGrizFan said:
Sure looks to me like he HAS been accused of sexual assault/rape. Hasn't been CHARGED, but has been ACCUSED. You might want to wordsmith your own posts before you start worrying about someone else's, professor.
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Ahh, but the record shows you didn't know that; nice googling, but when you claimed it, you were, in fact, making it up. Like I tell my students; being right accidentally is no substitute for honest claims in the first place, and particularly when they are defamatory.

I would, in any case, note the following:

"The woman took out a temporary restraining order against Johnson on March 9, citing sexual assault as the reason. A police report filed March 16 alleges a Feb. 4 rape and the police investigation into that accusation continues. Through his attorney, David Paoli, Johnson has denied the allegation.

"Last Friday, the restraining order was dismissed in favor of a civil no-contact order that forbids any contact between Johnson and the woman, and orders Johnson not to come within 1,500 feet of the woman or try to contact her – the same provisions in the temporary restraining order."

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/griz-qb-allowed-back-at-practice-by-legal-misunderstanding-says/article_ececa6dc-7950-11e1-bdb8-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz1r0VC2uyS" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The woman did not allege rape. The "police report" likely does not use the word "rape," particularly if it is still under "investigation" as "alleged."

In any case, what does that have to do with you accusing him? What do you know about it?
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I sure don't want to wade into the weeds of this personal argument between you two, but on the subject of whether or not this woman has alleged rape, its worth noting that the Missoulian has used the charge sexual assault and "rape" interchangeably throughout its reporting and in its headlines. In truth, sexual assault and rape are two very different things. The first is a sexual contact issue, such as an unwanted sexual advance, for which the penalty is as little as $500.
Rape implies sexual intercourse without consent, a felony punishable by two years to life in prison. Yet the Missoulian substitutes rape for sexual assault throughout its stories about the University of Montana and sparingly refers to sexual intercourse without consent. Either they're trying to hype their story, or they just don't understand the difference. I don't know which is worse.
 
griz4life said:
I sure don't want to wade into the weeds of this personal argument between you two, but on the subject of whether or not this woman has alleged rape, its worth noting that the Missoulian has used the charge sexual assault and "rape" interchangeably throughout its reporting and in its headlines.

Rape implies sexual intercourse without consent, a felony punishable by two years to life in prison. Yet the Missoulian substitutes rape for sexual assault throughout its stories about the University of Montana and sparingly refers to sexual intercourse without consent. Either they're trying to hype their story, or they just don't understand the difference. I don't know which is worse.
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I had noticed that too, lifer. I'm pretty sure they don't understand the difference.
 
I knew I had read the word "rape" somewhere outside of egriz. It was put forth by the accuser's attorney and quoted in the Missoulian.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-an...cle_ececa6dc-7950-11e1-bdb8-0019bb2963f4.html

Van de Wetering wrote: “Whether or not Mr. Johnson is permitted to play football is not my client’s concern (though the head coach’s comments about Mr. Johnson’s superior character, even after knowing there is an active rape investigation proceeding against him, leaves my client less than confident in the university’s commitment to protect her and respect the court’s no-contact order).”
 
behappp said:
I knew I had read the word "rape" somewhere outside of egriz. It was put forth by the accuser's attorney and quoted in the Missoulian.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-an...cle_ececa6dc-7950-11e1-bdb8-0019bb2963f4.html

Van de Wetering wrote: “Whether or not Mr. Johnson is permitted to play football is not my client’s concern (though the head coach’s comments about Mr. Johnson’s superior character, even after knowing there is an active rape investigation proceeding against him, leaves my client less than confident in the university’s commitment to protect her and respect the court’s no-contact order).”
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That can't be. I made that up and tried and convicted him in the court of public opinion. :lol:
 
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