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Frank Gogola Article

ElrodGrizzly said:
That's moving the goalposts, buddy. I responded to your statement that he hasn't done anything impressive. As I have shown elsewhere, he took a team that was not ranked in the top 25 back to the national championship and being a perennial top 10 team. Really, man, I'm not coming at you, I'm just genuinely telling you that you are young and blind on this.

If your point is Hauck’s success is because of the previous coaches and the significant advantages that Missoula has over any FCS school, how do you explain the previous two coaches not being able to turn it around? The two years before Bobby returned to Missoula, the Griz were 6-5 and 7-4. They didn't make the playoffs. They were not ranked in the top 25 to end the seasons. It is clear to me that the current state of Griz football is better than under previous coaches. That is just objectively true, right? It wasn't because of the previous coaches.

If you want to discuss advantages Missoula does or doesn't have, I'm happy to do that in private messages so you don't have to worry about a crowd jumping in to the conversation. I've had it a lot, but both Missoula and Bozeman just don't have the advantages you are implying.

Also, you're making assumptions if you think he hasn't been contacted about other jobs. He is at the end of his career and told everyone that unless things somehow go terrible in some way, this is his last job. His lack of moving isn't lack of offers, especially as a special teams coach, from my understanding.
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I don’t think BH has impressed anyone. His national championship was flukey and he showed he can’t sustain success. The FCS is so different as far as competition level compared to his first stint also. There are basically 4 teams that are really good and outside of that it’s very mediocre. Look at teams like UIW, Mercer, Rhode Island, etc. Those are top 10 teams but anyone in the top 4 would beat them by 30+. Let’s look at BH’s teams. 19 he has an all time great QB and some studs like Toure, Akem, Knight. They get an easy sound round and then lose. 2021 he has a solid regular season especially considering the talent but then gets smoked in the quarterfinals. 2022 was the beginning of the transfer qbs. Everyone has high hopes for the team then they hit a rough patch, get smoked by the cats, sneak by in the first round and get throttled by NDSU. 2023 he has qb issues and once he switches qbs things go well. They look good until the playoffs where the wheels fall off for the offense and Bergen has to save them. Ultimately they face SDSU and get demolished. 2024 he has maybe the best individual skill players in the whole FCS but once again can’t figure out his qb issues. Once again get gifted an easy first round and get smoked in the second round. I don’t see how Bobby has made this program any better. Some years they land either an easy schedule or a stud player and they get a better regular season but outside of Junior saving them they haven’t had any playoff success, at least sustained.

I feel it’s fair to say MSU and UM were in similar places when BH has hired. In 17 the cats went 5-6 but were in the rebuild process and the gris went 7-4. Look at the significant gap now. One team in the number one seed, and while the cats haven’t established themselves as a SDSU or NDSU this season is the opportunity to climb that ladder. Then the other team is still struggling to have consistent success.

Until Bobby gets this team to consistent semi-finals, I don’t think he has turned this program around. Compared to someone like Choate or Eck, who took losing programs and got them to consistent quarter/semi final teams, BH looks silly.
 
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mthoopsfan said:
San Diego St offered him. 5 yr contract and 7 figures. He turned it down. NFL teams have offered him to be ST coach. He wants to stay and finish at MT. You need to pay attention. You don’t have a clue.
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Or maybe he felt embarrassed after UNLV and knows thats not for him.
 
HookedonGriz said:
If you think I’m super duper happy with how things have been going with the football team, then you haven’t read my posts or paying attention either. I just know there isn’t a hell of a lot I can personally about it.
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I find it amusing that the very act of MontanaBornFan pointing out reality (one with extremely salient points backed up by numerous statistics) somehow makes him a Cat fan.

You aren’t happy with the state of the program, yet somehow try to argue that Gogola is dead wrong and this program is currently in the same realm as the Cats? It most certainly is not.

Delusional copium from the vast majority of Griz posters on this thread. It’s honestly embarrassing/pathetic that the current status quo of the last 8 years is somehow acceptable.

How has this current staff of AARP- card holding retreads proven to you that they are capable of WINNING a championship? Is scoring 3 points in a single Natty over the course of 8 years your definition of success? Is getting past the quarter finals once in 8 years tantamount to a Return to Dominance? Bobby hasn’t been in a competitive championship in nearly 20 years.

The reality is Bobby will yet again likely be slightly above average- beating sub par programs while losing 3-4 games to any team that’s worth a damn and hosting one half empty Thanksgiving playoff game that inevitably leads to us getting smoked in the next round or quarters. Is getting to the quarterfinals only really that big of a accomplishment in the current state of the FCS?

We shouldn’t just hope to win, we should aspire to dominate like the Dakotas. Ask yourself, does Bobby have us on a path where that seems like a realistic possibility within the next season or two? If not, how much longer and what is it going to take to reach this level?
 
Money! said:
I don’t think BH has impressed anyone. His national championship was flukey and he showed he can’t sustain success. The FCS is so different as far as competition level compared to his first stint also. There are basically 4 teams that are really good and outside of that it’s very mediocre. Look at teams like UIW, Mercer, Rhode Island, etc. Those are top 10 teams but anyone in the top 4 would beat them by 30+. Let’s look at BH’s teams. 19 he has an all time great QB and some studs like Toure, Akem, Knight. They get an easy sound round and then lose. 2021 he has a solid regular season especially considering the talent but then gets smoked in the quarterfinals. 2022 was the beginning of the transfer qbs. Everyone has high hopes for the team then they hit a rough patch, get smoked by the cats, sneak by in the first round and get throttled by NDSU. 2023 he has qb issues and once he switches qbs things go well. They look good until the playoffs where the wheels fall off for the offense and Bergen has to save them. Ultimately they face SDSU and get demolished. 2024 he has maybe the best individual skill players in the whole FCS but once again can’t figure out his qb issues. Once again get gifted an easy first round and get smoked in the second round. I don’t see how Bobby has made this program any better. Some years they land either an easy schedule or a stud player and they get a better regular season but outside of Junior saving them they haven’t had any playoff success, at least sustained.

I feel it’s fair to say MSU and UM were in similar places when BH has hired. In 17 the cats went 5-6 but were in the rebuild process and the gris went 7-4. Look at the significant gap now. One team in the number one seed, and while the cats haven’t established themselves as a SDSU or NDSU this season is the opportunity to climb that ladder. Then the other team is still struggling to have consistent success.

Until Bobby gets this team to consistent semi-finals, I don’t think he has turned this program around. Compared to someone like Choate or Eck, who took losing programs and got them to consistent quarter/semi final teams, BH looks silly.
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Griz are no. 4 averaged ranked team in FCS in past 5 seasons. Much of what you said is wrong.
 
gotgame75 said:
I find it amusing that the very act of MontanaBornFan pointing out reality (one with extremely salient points backed up by numerous statistics) somehow makes him a Cat fan.

You aren’t happy with the state of the program, yet somehow try to argue that Gogola is dead wrong and this program is currently in the same realm as the Cats? It most certainly is not.

Delusional copium from the vast majority of Griz posters on this thread. It’s honestly embarrassing/pathetic that the current status quo of the last 8 years is somehow acceptable.

How has this current staff of AARP- card holding retreads proven to you that they are capable of WINNING a championship? Is scoring 3 points in a single Natty over the course of 8 years your definition of success? Is getting past the quarter finals once in 8 years tantamount to a Return to Dominance? Bobby hasn’t been in a competitive championship in nearly 20 years.

The reality is Bobby will yet again likely be slightly above average- beating sub par programs while losing 3-4 games to any team that’s worth a damn and hosting one half empty Thanksgiving playoff game that inevitably leads to us getting smoked in the next round or quarters. Is getting to the quarterfinals only really that big of a accomplishment in the current state of the FCS?

We shouldn’t just hope to win, we should aspire to dominate like the Dakotas. Ask yourself, does Bobby have us on a path where that seems like a realistic possibility within the next season or two? If not, how much longer and what is it going to take to reach this level?
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Did you forget about all the top teams Griz beat last year? And the trip to Frisco. Just shows your complete bias.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Did you forget about all the top teams Griz beat last year? And the trip to Frisco. Just shows your complete bias.
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Who did you beat? Delaware was pathetic, you should’ve lost to Furman if it wasn’t for Bergen, then you sneak by NDSU thanks to a punt return and tipped 2 pt conversion in 2OT. You beat a decent team thanks to punt/kick returns and a solid NDSU team once again thanks to a punt return.
 
Money! said:
Who did you beat? Delaware was pathetic, you should’ve lost to Furman if it wasn’t for Bergen, then you sneak by NDSU thanks to a punt return and tipped 2 pt conversion in 2OT. You beat a decent team thanks to punt/kick returns and a solid NDSU team once again thanks to a punt return.
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So punt and kick returns don't count?
 
mthoopsfan said:
San Diego St offered him. 5 yr contract and 7 figures. He turned it down. NFL teams have offered him to be ST coach. He wants to stay and finish at MT. You need to pay attention. You don’t have a clue.
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You have said this before but I have never seen any evidence and we all know you lie like a rug. I think it's total BS.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Did you forget about all the top teams Griz beat last year? And the trip to Frisco. Just shows your complete bias.
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You mean the one where the Griz scored 3 points? They don’t call him Big Game Bobby for nothing.

Getting past the quarterfinals once in 8 years in a historically weak FCS is not exactly the Return to Dominance fairy tale that we were sold.

Like it or not, Stiegelmeier’s shirt referencing our waning relevance rings true.
 
Money! said:
Who did you beat? Delaware was pathetic, you should’ve lost to Furman if it wasn’t for Bergen, then you sneak by NDSU thanks to a punt return and tipped 2 pt conversion in 2OT. You beat a decent team thanks to punt/kick returns and a solid NDSU team once again thanks to a punt return.
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Beat Cats, good teams in playoffs and NDSU. Also Idaho and Davis. Who did Cats beat? No one.
 
gotgame75 said:
You mean the one where the Griz scored 3 points? They don’t call him Big Game Bobby for nothing.

Getting past the quarterfinals once in 8 years in a historically weak FCS is not exactly the Return to Dominance fairy tale that we were sold.

Like it or not, Stiegelmeier’s shirt referencing our waning relevance rings true.
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Yes, the champ game that was 7-3 at halftime until a receiver fumbled. Getting to Frisco last year got UM to the top. Not dominance yet.
 
Money! said:
Very flukey. All teams have to do is punt out of bounds or kick through the end zone and it takes it out of play.
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Remember......as Bobby always points out.....those punt returns have less to do with the returner and are mostly because of his special teams coaching wizardry.

That's why lots of NFL teams have offered him 7 figures to coach special teams.
 
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