Fouls - Trend or Garbage

[ordigger]

I’ve only seen a couple games late in the year but it seems to me there has been an incredible difference in fouls called, and especially free throws. Is this a result of the Grizzlies actually committing the fouls? Or more the result of some sort of reputation for fouling?

It seems odd that it happens a lot recently, and this weekend cost the Grizzlies some wins.

 

[grizindabox]

I’ve only seen a couple games late in the year but it seems to me there has been an incredible difference in fouls called, and especially free throws. Is this a result of the Grizzlies actually committing the fouls? Or more the result of some sort of reputation for fouling?

It seems odd that it happens a lot recently, and this weekend cost the Grizzlies some wins.

You do realize that the fouls were 30 (Griz) and 26 (SUU) ?

 

[TouchdownMontana]

out of those fouls called Montana had hardly any shooting free throws and Southern Utah had a bunch.

 

[IdaGriz01]

out of those fouls called Montana had hardly any shooting free throws and Southern Utah had a bunch.

Uuuh, not quite. Yes, the shots were heavily in favor of SUU, with 43 tries, but 26 tries for the Griz is a bit more than "hardly any." And the Griz made a respectable fraction of their shots: 19, for over 73%. Trouble is, so did the T-birds, making 32 for 74%.

 

[CheyenneGriz]

You don't think shooting 17 more free throws made a difference in a game that went to overtime?

Of course, this has not only been one game. The pattern this season is what is concerning. I wonder how many times the team leading the conference has been whistled for more fouls than opponents in, if I have counted correctly, in 17 of the last 18 games. Northern Colorado shot 15 more free throws than the Griz Thursday. The fouls called on the Griz not only directly affects the scoreboard, it also makes Griz less effective defensively.

 

[EverettGriz]

To answer the OP’s question, it’s the latter, although I’d use a stronger synonym for garbage.

To begin with, there were 30-too-many fouls called in that game. Just awful officiating. Second, the free throw discrepancy the GRIZ have had to endure all year is complete and utter bullshit.

 

[grizindabox]

You don't think shooting 17 more free throws made a difference in a game that went to overtime?

Of course, this has not only been one game. The pattern this season is what is concerning. I wonder how many times the team leading the conference has been whistled for more fouls than opponents in, if I have counted correctly, in 17 of the last 18 games. Northern Colorado shot 15 more free throws than the Griz Thursday. The fouls called on the Griz not only directly affects the scoreboard, it also makes Griz less effective defensively.

I would say that the Griz are called for more fouls because of the aggressive defense they play, the cornerstone of their success. As for the disparity in FTA, I would say it has more to do with the Griz being less aggressive on offense and settling for jump shots, while other teams attack because the Griz lack a defensive presence in the paint.

 

[CheyenneGriz]

Okay, the Griz play a more physical defense than the other conference, I will admit that for argument's sake. But the other teams play tough, physical defense. You cannot win in today's college basketball without it. So, I can't buy that our "more physical defense" can account for the run of games where the other team is shooting more -- and usually significantly -- more free throws. I am not sure frankly that you are right that our rate of jump shots is the reason, but would have to do a review of the season to say one way or the other. My impression is that we don't get our fair share of calls where judgment is at play, and not where everyone in the gym knows it was a foul.

 

[grizindabox]

Okay, the Griz play a more physical defense than the other conference, I will admit that for argument's sake. But the other teams play tough, physical defense. You cannot win in today's college basketball without it. So, I can't buy that our "more physical defense" can account for the run of games where the other team is shooting more -- and usually significantly -- more free throws. I am not sure frankly that you are right that our rate of jump shots is the reason, but would have to do a review of the season to say one way or the other. My impression is that we don't get our fair share of calls where judgment is at play, and not where everyone in the gym knows it was a foul.

Aren't all fouls a judgement call?

 

[putter]

You don't think shooting 17 more free throws made a difference in a game that went to overtime?

Of course, this has not only been one game. The pattern this season is what is concerning. I wonder how many times the team leading the conference has been whistled for more fouls than opponents in, if I have counted correctly, in 17 of the last 18 games. Northern Colorado shot 15 more free throws than the Griz Thursday. The fouls called on the Griz not only directly affects the scoreboard, it also makes Griz less effective defensively.

I would say that the Griz are called for more fouls because of the aggressive defense they play, the cornerstone of their success. As for the disparity in FTA, I would say it has more to do with the Griz being less aggressive on offense and settling for jump shots, while other teams attack because the Griz lack a defensive presence in the paint.

This is what I was going to say, especially after being at last nights game. SUU brought it to the Griz in the paint as they had the size advantage but also just attacked Montana. The Griz were pulling up for mid-range jumpers, other than Pridgett. Manuel got a pass last night with a clear lane to the basket and pulled up for a 6 foot jumper that he missed. Need to get aggressive.

 

[Big Sage]

It’s garbage! Players are bigger, stronger and faster. The court is the same size. Fouls slow down the game in an era where everything need to be “right now.” It’s one reason attendance is down nationwide. People don’t want to see it. We had a home this year on a Monday, I believe it was against Portland St. There were refs on the court from the big boy conferences. Very few fouls. I was halfway home that night by 9:00, where normally the game is still going on at that time. It was very refreshing