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citygriz

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Great. Looking forward to the season.

My only worry, this tough non-con schedule: USC, Oregon, North Carolina State, Ole Miss...

Oh, wait. That's basketball. This is football: St. Francis...

Brutal!
 
St Francis has God on their side.
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Repent citay.



citay said:
Great. Looking forward to the season.

My only worry, this tough non-con schedule: USC, Oregon, North Carolina State, Ole Miss...

Oh, wait. That's basketball. This is football: St. Francis...

Brutal!
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Basketball true Division 1 and Griz trying hard to compete at that level. Football FCS with little or no chance to attract FBS non conference (road) games and too expensive to travel the country for top FCS non-conference games.

Ironic how basketball can't grab a little more fan enthusiasm with its non conference scheduling...but they'll be packed in to watch St. Francis next Saturday night.
 
Mousegriz said:
Ironic how basketball can't grab a little more fan enthusiasm with its non conference scheduling...but they'll be packed in to watch St. Francis next Saturday night.
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While I admire Coach DeCuire's coaching skills and organizational drive, they can't seem to shake loose on promoting and having basketballs games not much different than they did 40 years ago. They seem to think they are "promoting" basketball games, and don't seem to get it that "promotion" is both an art and a science with a heavy does of imagineering thrown in.

There's much to be learned from UM Football, but for some reason it just doesn't happen.
 
citay said:
Great. Looking forward to the season.

My only worry, this tough non-con schedule: USC, Oregon, North Carolina State, Ole Miss...

Oh, wait. That's basketball. This is football: St. Francis...

Brutal!
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I will at the USC football game. Oh wait, that's the USC/Stanford football game.
 
...any basketball player...
...easily make the football team...
...few if any football players could make...

... :phat: ...
 
UMGriz75 said:
Mousegriz said:
Ironic how basketball can't grab a little more fan enthusiasm with its non conference scheduling...but they'll be packed in to watch St. Francis next Saturday night.
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While I admire Coach DeCuire's coaching skills and organizational drive, they can't seem to shake loose on promoting and having basketballs games not much different than they did 40 years ago. They seem to think they are "promoting" basketball games, and don't seem to get it that "promotion" is both an art and a science with a heavy does of imagineering thrown in.

There's much to be learned from UM Football, but for some reason it just doesn't happen.
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Can't argue with that, 75. Football puts on a show; why, even the uniforms are a subject of discussion on this board, while the basketball uniforms look terrible, and they can't even get around to updating the roster. Entertainment is the first issue; even my best teachers were mostly entertainers.

Still, I applaud what DeCuire is attempting with the schedule, and had hoped in football that we were through with the Central Washingtons, the OPSU's and the Western States of the world. Not to be. One of the hazards of this lesser division.
 
citay said:
had hoped in football that we were through with the Central Washingtons, the OPSU's and the Western States of the world. Not to be. One of the hazards of this lesser division.
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Where on the schedule do you see a DII or NAIA team?
 
Saint Francis has an FCS Massey Rating of 60, which is better than Northern Colorado (75), UC Davis (84), Idaho State (91), and Sacramento State (95).

Mississippi Valley State's Massey Rating is 125, dead last in the FCS.
 
get'em_griz said:
Saint Francis has an FCS Massey Rating of 60, which is better than Northern Colorado (75), UC Davis (84), Idaho State (91), and Sacramento State (95).

Mississippi Valley State's Massey Rating is 125, dead last in the FCS.
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Citay is clueless when it comes to talking about Griz Football. He probably thinks we are playing St. Francis Cougars! :lol:
 
Football, mostly Saturday afternoon/nights. People travel from all over the state/region to attend. Basketball has games on Tuesdays, Thursdays and then weekends. No on can drive from Sidney on a Tuesday or Thursday to watch a game. Actually gives a great indication of how much support the Missoula area gives the U to see the attendance during the week.
 
putter said:
Football, mostly Saturday afternoon/nights. People travel from all over the state/region to attend. Basketball has games on Tuesdays, Thursdays and then weekends. No on can drive from Sidney on a Tuesday or Thursday to watch a game. Actually gives a great indication of how much support the Missoula area gives the U to see the attendance during the week.
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That is part of the equation. However, a few decades ago, men's basketball drew well over 5k consistently. Distances have not changed over the years. I will leave it that.
 
mtgrizrule said:
putter said:
Football, mostly Saturday afternoon/nights. People travel from all over the state/region to attend. Basketball has games on Tuesdays, Thursdays and then weekends. No on can drive from Sidney on a Tuesday or Thursday to watch a game. Actually gives a great indication of how much support the Missoula area gives the U to see the attendance during the week.
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That is part of the equation. However, a few decades ago, men's basketball drew well over 5k consistently. Distances have not changed over the years. I will leave it that.
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Families around Missoula had money back then. Gas was cheap. The timber industry was around. The mills were running. Now all that is shut down. Now days families have to choose what games they can to attend. I think that has a little to do with it but I could be wrong..
 
grizcountry420 said:
mtgrizrule said:
That is part of the equation. However, a few decades ago, men's basketball drew well over 5k consistently distances have not changed over the years. I will leave it that.
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Families around Missoula had money back then. Gas was cheap. The timber industry was around. The mills were running. Now all that is shut down. Now days families have to choose what games they can to attend. I think that has a little to do with it but I could be wrong..
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The demographics have certainly changed, Missoula used to be more of a blue collar/professional town, people that liked their sports; now its becoming an endless parade of subsidized housing that traps marginal income people and chains them to the subsidy, instead of moving to where their skills might be better utilized. These aren't football fans and they aren't basketball fans. I was at a Lady Griz game this past season and I was amazed at how many walkers I saw and elderly people attended. It must be, by far, the oldest average fan base of any UM sport. Not a good sign. But those are who are left from the older demographic.

Too, there were probably higher percentages of local kids; and if you are playing to a local community, that's a motive for them. The Zoo didn't care on that point, so it was perhaps the best of both worlds.

That being said, the attendance plummeted after the 1998 renovation. A very well done project, for some reason, the crowds never returned after the season off campus at Sentinel. It just broke the habits of a lot of people that turned to other activities during that year. Game attendance is a "habit" hard to form, easy to break.

Football has made the game day an event. Flyovers, flags, cannons, tailgates. I have people walking past my front door at 9:30 in the morning headed to the tailgates, hauling their chairs and coolers. There's even two or three tailgates on my street, on front porches, so that walkers can stop along the way. Football became an event that justified a long drive; it reached a critical mass and never lost it.

That is completely different than the Football environment that existed here in 1970. On the other hand, the overall Basketball environment is very much like 1970, or pick a year with a better coach, but the framework has not changed in the slightest, except we no longer have the "Cubs" playing.
 
UMGriz75 said:
grizcountry420 said:
mtgrizrule said:
That is part of the equation. However, a few decades ago, men's basketball drew well over 5k consistently distances have not changed over the years. I will leave it that.
Click to expand...
Families around Missoula had money back then. Gas was cheap. The timber industry was around. The mills were running. Now all that is shut down. Now days families have to choose what games they can to attend. I think that has a little to do with it but I could be wrong..
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The demographics have certainly changed, Missoula used to be more of a blue collar/professional town, people that liked their sports; now its becoming an endless parade of subsidized housing that traps marginal income people and chains them to the subsidy, instead of moving to where their skills might be better utilized. These aren't football fans and they aren't basketball fans. I was at a Lady Griz game this past season and I was amazed at how many walkers I saw and elderly people attended. It must be, by far, the oldest average fan base of any UM sport. Not a good sign. But those are who are left from the older demographic.

Too, there were probably higher percentages of local kids; and if you are playing to a local community, that's a motive for them. The Zoo didn't care on that point, so it was perhaps the best of both worlds.

That being said, the attendance plummeted after the 1998 renovation. A very well done project, for some reason, the crowds never returned after the season off campus at Sentinel. It just broke the habits of a lot of people that turned to other activities during that year. Game attendance is a "habit" hard to form, easy to break.

Football has made the game day an event. Flyovers, flags, cannons, tailgates. I have people walking past my front door at 9:30 in the morning headed to the tailgates, hauling their chairs and coolers. There's even two or three tailgates on my street, on front porches, so that walkers can stop along the way. Football became an event that justified a long drive; it reached a critical mass and never lost it.

That is completely different than the Football environment that existed here in 1970. On the other hand, the overall Basketball environment is very much like 1970, or pick a year with a better coach, but the framework has not changed in the slightest, except we no longer have the "Cubs" playing.
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Well said 75

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BubbleScreenBob1 said:
citay said:
had hoped in football that we were through with the Central Washingtons, the OPSU's and the Western States of the world. Not to be. One of the hazards of this lesser division.
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Where on the schedule do you see a DII or NAIA team?
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November 19th...complete with coaches also.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
BubbleScreenBob1 said:
citay said:
had hoped in football that we were through with the Central Washingtons, the OPSU's and the Western States of the world. Not to be. One of the hazards of this lesser division.
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Where on the schedule do you see a DII or NAIA team?
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November 19th...complete with coaches also.
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