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Filling NT holes

bgbigdog said:
Interested parties should watch the games again on youtube. What I've noted in those games where they had trouble stopping the run is that several players, not all of whom were nose tackles, got blocked. Blocking is fundamental to football. Fundamental to defense, is getting off those blocks, and tackling the ball carrier. Those of us who have played this game can tell you that it's infinitely more difficult to make a tackle, with someone blocking you, than when not. In the bozeman game, frankly, it seemed like everyone got blocked and couldn't get off them to save their lives. They hung nearly four hundred yards and over fifty points on Montana, and many other teams. They could block more than a little bit. Ball carriers will tell that it makes all the difference.

In the second half of the NDSU game, it wasn't the solely the nose tackles who were blocked and couldn't make the tackle on those long runs. Other teammates got blocked and missed those tackles as well. I would also add that by the second half of the NDSU game, the entire beat up defense, which had been out on the field an entire game longer than the offense over the course of the season, simply ran out of gas.

Put an offense out there that supports the defense, produces points and yards, week in/out, and the defense will be a whole lot better.

In the Cat game, there are mistakes made on many plays. Wrong step, sucked in, hesitation. Look at the first play. Mistake. I am not saying it was all player mistakes and not also scheme and game prep. But it sure as heck was not all scheme. I agree with your last para.
 
mthoopsfan said:
bgbigdog said:
Interested parties should watch the games again on youtube. What I've noted in those games where they had trouble stopping the run is that several players, not all of whom were nose tackles, got blocked. Blocking is fundamental to football. Fundamental to defense, is getting off those blocks, and tackling the ball carrier. Those of us who have played this game can tell you that it's infinitely more difficult to make a tackle, with someone blocking you, than when not. In the bozeman game, frankly, it seemed like everyone got blocked and couldn't get off them to save their lives. They hung nearly four hundred yards and over fifty points on Montana, and many other teams. They could block more than a little bit. Ball carriers will tell that it makes all the difference.

In the second half of the NDSU game, it wasn't the solely the nose tackles who were blocked and couldn't make the tackle on those long runs. Other teammates got blocked and missed those tackles as well. I would also add that by the second half of the NDSU game, the entire beat up defense, which had been out on the field an entire game longer than the offense over the course of the season, simply ran out of gas.

Put an offense out there that supports the defense, produces points and yards, week in/out, and the defense will be a whole lot better.

In the Cat game, there are mistakes made on many plays. Wrong step, sucked in, hesitation. Look at the first play. Mistake. I am not saying it was all player mistakes and not also scheme and game prep. But it sure as heck was not all scheme. I agree with your last para.
2022 cat game looked like a carbon copy of the 2019 cat game. They ran at will wherever and however they wanted. We had no answer. Bobby said it himself.
 
brewskis said:
mthoopsfan said:
In the Cat game, there are mistakes made on many plays. Wrong step, sucked in, hesitation. Look at the first play. Mistake. I am not saying it was all player mistakes and not also scheme and game prep. But it sure as heck was not all scheme. I agree with your last para.
2022 cat game looked like a carbon copy of the 2019 cat game. They ran at will wherever and however they wanted. We had no answer. Bobby said it himself.

What about 2021 game?
 
mthoopsfan said:
brewskis said:
2022 cat game looked like a carbon copy of the 2019 cat game. They ran at will wherever and however they wanted. We had no answer. Bobby said it himself.

What about 2021 game?
We won by 19. Awesome game….Ford’s fumble recovery for the TD is probably my favorite Griz football moment of the last 5 years!
 
NDSU running stats. 42-453 yards for the game. Long runs of 75, 68, 68 and 67 for 284 yards. 284 yards on 38 carries excluding long runs, or 4.7 per carry.
 
mthoopsfan said:
NDSU running stats. 42-453 yards for the game. Long runs of 75, 68, 68 and 67 for 284 yards. 284 yards on 38 carries excluding long runs, or 4.7 per carry.

Not good anyway you slice it.
 
AZGrizFan said:
mthoopsfan said:
NDSU running stats. 42-453 yards for the game. Long runs of 75, 68, 68 and 67 for 284 yards. 284 yards on 38 carries excluding long runs, or 4.7 per carry.

Not good anyway you slice it.
Not at all. And that NDSU team got worked over by SDSU. The gap between the top 3 teams in the FCS and the next tier is not insignificant.
 
brewskis said:
AZGrizFan said:
Not good anyway you slice it.
Not at all. And that NDSU team got worked over by SDSU. The gap between the top 3 teams in the FCS and the next tier is not insignificant.

So who were the top three teams last year that were so far ahead of everyone else? SDSU is the only one I can think of in a different category.
 
Alaska Griz said:
brewskis said:
Not at all. And that NDSU team got worked over by SDSU. The gap between the top 3 teams in the FCS and the next tier is not insignificant.

So who were the top three teams last year that were so far ahead of everyone else? SDSU is the only one I can think of in a different category.
SDSU, NDSU, MSU. Colter and Sam Herder seem to both agree that a title winner outside of those 3 is highly unlikely. SDSU has a lot of returning talent this year so they’re the favorites.
 
It should be a definite concern when a non-elite team can rush for 180+ yards against a defense...but then again, the Griz quarterback was injured.
 
Oldschoolhornet said:
It should be a definite concern when a non-elite team can rush for 180+ yards against a defense...but then again, the Griz quarterback was injured.

The Griz were pretty well on their way to rolling NDSU before the QB got injured. And then from then on a total mismanagement of the backup QB situation. NDSU was on their heels until QB1 went down. They didn’t have an answer.
 
brewskis said:
Alaska Griz said:
So who were the top three teams last year that were so far ahead of everyone else? SDSU is the only one I can think of in a different category.
SDSU, NDSU, MSU. Colter and Sam Herder seem to both agree that a title winner outside of those 3 is highly unlikely. SDSU has a lot of returning talent this year so they’re the favorites.

So something you read. Was thinking it was a statement about last season. The Bobcats didn't look like they belonged versus SDSU in the semis and I haven't seen anything to think their defense has vastly improved. Sounds like the three coaches being arrested won't have any effect on their season since there will likely be no recourse for their actions. I do think the Griz have improved in several areas, including coaching, and will be right there when the dust settles. Makes sense why Colter doesn't want to question the MSU coverup if he believes the cats are a contender and he is their reporter.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
Oldschoolhornet said:
It should be a definite concern when a non-elite team can rush for 180+ yards against a defense...but then again, the Griz quarterback was injured.

The Griz were pretty well on their way to rolling NDSU before the QB got injured. And then from then on a total mismanagement of the backup QB situation. NDSU was on their heels until QB1 went down. They didn’t have an answer.

:? :? :?
did they look competitive? Yes….were they “well on their way to rolling” them? man, you must have been watching a different game…
 
Alaska Griz said:
brewskis said:
SDSU, NDSU, MSU. Colter and Sam Herder seem to both agree that a title winner outside of those 3 is highly unlikely. SDSU has a lot of returning talent this year so they’re the favorites.

So something you read. Was thinking it was a statement about last season. The Bobcats didn't look like they belonged versus SDSU in the semis and I haven't seen anything to think their defense has vastly improved. Sounds like the three coaches being arrested won't have any effect on their season since there will likely be no recourse for their actions. I do think the Griz have improved in several areas, including coaching, and will be right there when the dust settles. Makes sense why Colter doesn't want to question the MSU coverup if he believes the cats are a contender and he is their reporter.

Bozeman averaged 43 a game last season, while giving up around 26. Do you need vast defensive improvement when you can boat race most opponents' defenses? They're just another year more experienced, like most teams. There are five or more teams in the top ten that wouldnt be pushovers for Montana, including Furman, Holy Cross, UIW, Samford, SEMO, and Idaho. Particularly if they weren't playing them at the friendly confines. I would agree that it appears things are better at home. I'm particularly hopeful they find an offense.

But's lets be real, it's SDSU and the field. They're loaded with NFL talent. They beat themselves for anything else to be true.
 
bgbigdog said:
Alaska Griz said:
So something you read. Was thinking it was a statement about last season. The Bobcats didn't look like they belonged versus SDSU in the semis and I haven't seen anything to think their defense has vastly improved. Sounds like the three coaches being arrested won't have any effect on their season since there will likely be no recourse for their actions. I do think the Griz have improved in several areas, including coaching, and will be right there when the dust settles. Makes sense why Colter doesn't want to question the MSU coverup if he believes the cats are a contender and he is their reporter.

Bozeman averaged 43 a game last season, while giving up around 26. Do you need vast defensive improvement when you can boat race most opponents' defenses? They're just another year more experienced, like most teams. There are five or more teams in the top ten that wouldnt be pushovers for Montana, including Furman, Holy Cross, UIW, Samford, SEMO, and Idaho. Particularly if they weren't playing them at the friendly confines. I would agree that it appears things are better at home. I'm particularly hopeful they find an offense.

But's lets be real, it's SDSU and the field. They're loaded with NFL talent. They beat themselves for anything else to be true.

Sure, MSU will beat "most" of their opponents if their qb's aren't racking up concussions. They also pulled off wins in the final seconds against last years doormats NAU and EWU (which was questionable). They played poorly on the road and avoided Sac St and Idaho while having the fortune of playing good teams at home. But yes, I agree. It appears to be SDSU and everyone else right now.
 
Alaska Griz said:
bgbigdog said:
Bozeman averaged 43 a game last season, while giving up around 26. Do you need vast defensive improvement when you can boat race most opponents' defenses? They're just another year more experienced, like most teams. There are five or more teams in the top ten that wouldnt be pushovers for Montana, including Furman, Holy Cross, UIW, Samford, SEMO, and Idaho. Particularly if they weren't playing them at the friendly confines. I would agree that it appears things are better at home. I'm particularly hopeful they find an offense.

But's lets be real, it's SDSU and the field. They're loaded with NFL talent. They beat themselves for anything else to be true.

Sure, MSU will beat "most" of their opponents if their qb's aren't racking up concussions. They also pulled off wins in the final seconds against last years doormats NAU and EWU (which was questionable). They played poorly on the road and avoided Sac St and Idaho while having the fortune of playing good teams at home. But yes, I agree. It appears to be SDSU and everyone else right now.

Don’t forget the Weber debacle!!
 
Copper Griz said:
Alaska Griz said:
Sure, MSU will beat "most" of their opponents if their qb's aren't racking up concussions. They also pulled off wins in the final seconds against last years doormats NAU and EWU (which was questionable). They played poorly on the road and avoided Sac St and Idaho while having the fortune of playing good teams at home. But yes, I agree. It appears to be SDSU and everyone else right now.

Don’t forget the Weber debacle!!

Totally forgot about that one! In reality, their season went as well as it possibly could have in so many ways.
 
AZGrizFan said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
The Griz were pretty well on their way to rolling NDSU before the QB got injured. And then from then on a total mismanagement of the backup QB situation. NDSU was on their heels until QB1 went down. They didn’t have an answer.

:? :? :?
did they look competitive? Yes….were they “well on their way to rolling” them? man, you must have been watching a different game…

Maybe you dont watch many NDSU games...but the offense had them scrambling. Out of gaps and questioning coverages. Johnson was an absolute problem for them before he got hurt.
 
Alaska Griz said:
brewskis said:
SDSU, NDSU, MSU. Colter and Sam Herder seem to both agree that a title winner outside of those 3 is highly unlikely. SDSU has a lot of returning talent this year so they’re the favorites.

So something you read. Was thinking it was a statement about last season. The Bobcats didn't look like they belonged versus SDSU in the semis and I haven't seen anything to think their defense has vastly improved. Sounds like the three coaches being arrested won't have any effect on their season since there will likely be no recourse for their actions. I do think the Griz have improved in several areas, including coaching, and will be right there when the dust settles. Makes sense why Colter doesn't want to question the MSU coverup if he believes the cats are a contender and he is their reporter.

I get it, we all hate the cats, but to not acknowledge that they are contenders is just foolish. SDSU is much better than everyone. But after them NDSU and MSU are def the most rational choices.

The Griz could be up there but we have so many unknowns. You tout unknowns as facts. We dont know if our coaching situation is better. We dont know if we have a QB. We THINK we have a very good QB for multiple years, but until he shows us we dont know.

We know we will have a good defense and Oline and RBs. Thats about all that is KNOWN about the 23 Griz.

The Bobcats have a KNOWN star at QB coming back. They have a proven oline and offensive plan that works. Their defense is always middle of the pack to good, but it doesnt matter because of the way their offense works. Theyre never down big, and the offense is always grinding down teams. They are very beatable, but they never beat themselves. Lets not act like we wouldnt like to be in their situation as far as known roster spots go.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
AZGrizFan said:
:? :? :?
did they look competitive? Yes….were they “well on their way to rolling” them? man, you must have been watching a different game…

Maybe you dont watch many NDSU games...but the offense had them scrambling. Out of gaps and questioning coverages. Johnson was an absolute problem for them before he got hurt.

Agreed. They looked competitive. They weren't "on their way to rolling" them. Big difference, IMHO. Maybe not in yours.
 

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