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[indiancoyote]

FCS wasn’t better deeper during Read’s time than during Hauck’s first tenure.

You are as dumbed as they come. The FCS didn't exist during Read's time. But I-AA was far superior to what is happening now in FCS.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You are as dumbed as they come. The FCS didn't exist during Read's time. But I-AA was far superior to what is happening now in FCS.

FCS is exactly the same as I-AA. Nothing changed except the name. You are the dummy.

Tell us about how I-AA was far superior then. I'm happy to listen.

 

[MontanaBornFan]

But I-AA was far superior to what is happening now in FCS.

Agreed.

The early 90s 1-aa was deep and competitive. Later, the top teams leaving for the G5 really started the dilution to the current FCS top-heavy situation.

Remember the Nevada, Georgia Southern, Northern Iowa, Marshall, Youngstown, Furman, Boise State, and other teams from that era?

It was pretty deep.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Agreed.

The early 90s 1-aa was deep and competitive. Later, the top teams leaving for the G5 really started the dilution to the current FCS top-heavy situation.

Remember the Nevada, Georgia Southern, Northern Iowa, Marshall, Youngstown, Furman, Boise State, and other teams from that era?

It was pretty deep.

Youngstown, Northern Iowa and Furman are still in FCS. The Dakota schools are as good or better than any of those schools were in I-AA. Nevada is 121 in the Sagarin. You need to do better than this.

 

[MontanaBornFan]

Youngstown, Northern Iowa and Furman are still in FCS. The Dakota schools are as good or better than any of those schools were in I-AA. Nevada is 121 in the Sagarin. You need to do better than this.

Ummm … I was giving those schools as examples of the depth and parity of the era, not the strengths of the programs currently. The relative weakness now of those fcs schools kind of drives home the point though.

We’ll never know for sure of course, but I don’t think the DSUs would be nearly as dominant if they were playing in that era against those programs then.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Ummm … I was giving those schools as examples of the depth and parity of the era, not the strengths of the programs currently. The relative weakness now of those fcs schools kind of drives home the point though.

We’ll never know for sure of course, but I don’t think the DSUs would be nearly as dominant if they were playing in that era against those programs then.

You said teams leaving caused the dilution. These teams didn’t leave. The top Dakota schools would beat most of the departed schools now.

 

[MontanaBornFan]

You said teams leaving caused the dilution. These teams didn’t leave. The top Dakota schools would beat most of the departed schools now.

Is that what my post said?

I was making two points:

1. Early 90s 1-AA was deep.

2. Later, dilution occurred in 1-AA (which continues to present day in the FCS).

The list of schools were just examples of the parity, not examples of the dilution.

Interestingly, the FCS today would have far better parity if the Dakotas and Montanas moved up. All of the conferences are weak except the top teams of the Big Sky and MVFC.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Is that what my post said?

I was making two points:

1. Early 90s 1-AA was deep.

2. Later, dilution occurred in 1-AA (which continues to present day in the FCS).

The list of schools were just examples of the parity, not examples of the dilution.

Interestingly, the FCS today would have far better parity if the Dakotas and Montanas moved up. All of the conferences are weak except the top teams of the Big Sky and MVFC.

None of that means 1-aa was stronger in early 90’s. It wasn’t. Many new good teams came to I-aa and-or got good. I-aa was strong during Hauck’s first tenure. The multiple Dakota schools are very strong now. MSU is now strong.

 

[Dont Kick 2 Bergen]

I wasn't even born yet but a quick Google tells me it was much deeper and better teams.

If people use the Dakota schools as a measuring stick they can replace Georgia Southern and Appalachian St. If people think MSU is as good, they can replace Youngstown St.

Who replaces teams like Marshall, UMass, Boise St, Delaware, Coastal Carolina, James Madison, Nevada, Hofstra, Old Dominion, Sam Houston and Western Kentucky?

I do not see the depth now in the current FCS. I only used data from some of the historical winning programs that left. There were 54 former FCS teams that left.

IMO the math doesn't work out to support the argument the current FCS is as strong but its just an observation from a youngin

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I wasn't even born yet but a quick Google tells me it was much deeper and better teams.

If people use the Dakota schools as a measuring stick they can replace Georgia Southern and Appalachian St. If people think MSU is as good, they can replace Youngstown St.

Who replaces teams like Marshall, UMass, Boise St, Delaware, Coastal Carolina, James Madison, Nevada, Hofstra, Old Dominion, Sam Houston and Western Kentucky?

I do not see the depth now in the current FCS. I only used data from some of the historical winning programs that left. There were 54 former FCS teams that left.

IMO the math doesn't work out to support the argument the current FCS is as strong but its just an observation from a youngin

I would naturally think that if more teams move up that can roster more players, that FCS would see the effects since they are now not getting the top several hundred players like previously. But that still puts all FCS schools battling for the same guys, so deeper and better is only relative to the times.

 

[Dont Kick 2 Bergen]

I understand that but do you really think the quality of teams is better now?

You have one program that wins 98% of the FCS championships and probably will again this year. One other program that has won a couple and maybe 2 teams that are light years behind, but the cream of the crop behind the aforementioned teams.

Just looking at winners, records and scores from games before I was born indicates to me a larger group of competitive teams in a deeper group of teams. I am guessing you are a lot older than I so maybe you know more about the past FCS history because you lived it and I can only account for what I have seen since I was around and starting loving the game of football.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I understand that but do you really think the quality of teams is better now?

You have one program that wins 98% of the FCS championships and probably will again this year. One other program that has won a couple and maybe 2 teams that are light years behind, but the cream of the crop behind the aforementioned teams.

Just looking at winners, records and scores from games before I was born indicates to me a larger group of competitive teams in a deeper group of teams. I am guessing you are a lot older than I so maybe you know more about the past FCS history because you lived it and I can only account for what I have seen since I was around and starting loving the game of football.

Pretty sure that I said the overall quality is different because they don't get the same quality with there being more opportunities in FBS now. Based on that alone, no one should conclude that the overall talent level is equal. I would argue that the overall pool of recruits that FCS schools tap has lost the cream and because of this, the parity is more evident. You also have an entirely new dynamic with the portal, NIL, etc. Winning and money probably dwarf everything else when it comes to recruiting.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I wasn't even born yet but a quick Google tells me it was much deeper and better teams.

If people use the Dakota schools as a measuring stick they can replace Georgia Southern and Appalachian St. If people think MSU is as good, they can replace Youngstown St.

Who replaces teams like Marshall, UMass, Boise St, Delaware, Coastal Carolina, James Madison, Nevada, Hofstra, Old Dominion, Sam Houston and Western Kentucky?

I do not see the depth now in the current FCS. I only used data from some of the historical winning programs that left. There were 54 former FCS teams that left.

IMO the math doesn't work out to support the argument the current FCS is as strong but its just an observation from a youngin

Do some research. Coastal and Old Dominion weren't in I-AA in the mid-90's. Coastal didn't even play football then. All of the top FCS teams would crush UMass in most years. I think Western Kentucky won 1 playoff game in the 90's. JMU won 2 playoff games in the 90's. Hofstra had 1 playoff win in the 90's and 2 ever. Boise won only one Big Sky championship in the 90's. It's only 1aa championship was in 1980. Nevada went to the IAA playoffs only twice in the 90's and had only 2 wins.

Yes, Georgia Southern and App St were good.

You are gathering info on FCS teams over many decades, and then pretending they played in or were good in the 90's. Most of the teams you mentioned were that good in the 90's. Again, the topic is how strong was IAA in the 90's, not whether good teams have left in the last 30 years.

 

[Dont Kick 2 Bergen]

Fair enough

 

[5280Griz]

I think NDSU over any of the last 12 seasons would embarrass those old 1AA teams.