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FCS to the NFL

How do you think Jerry Rice would respond to this
grizjumps45 said:
I want to start by saying I know there are guys like Cooper Kupp and a few others who have translated FCS success to the NFL. But why do you think the transition is so difficult for so many talented FCS players? Personally, I think a lot of it comes down to the speed of the game. Evaluating FCS talent is much harder than evaluating FBS talent because the very best players in the FCS often have the physical ability to play at the FBS level. The problem is they are usually dominating against a lower level of overall athletic competition, which can hide weaknesses that get exposed in the NFL. Because of that, I think processing speed becomes a huge factor. When you suddenly jump from playing against slower, less athletic defenses to NFL speed, everything has to happen faster. Trey Lance is a good example. He has elite athleticism, great size, and all the physical tools you’d want in a quarterback. But when he got to the NFL it seemed like the mental processing part of the game lagged behind. At the FCS level he rarely had to process quickly because the windows were bigger and the defenses weren’t as fast. Once that advantage disappeared, it became much harder for him to translate his success. Curious how you guys evaluate that jump. What traits actually translate best from the FCS to the NFL?
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How do you think Jerry Rice would respond to this assessment ?
 
zoo guy said:
How do you think Jerry Rice would respond to this

How do you think Jerry Rice would respond to this assessment ?
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I think he would say it’s pretty accurate for modern football and the reality for most fcs players. I literally started by saying i know there’s a select few fcs players that have transcended this.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
I remember reading Brian Greene's biography years ago. He spoke directly about this. He said that after being a stud for his whole football career, he got to the NFL and it took him a full season (if I remember right) to feel like he could even mentally keep up with what was going on. The speed difference is just unreal
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Agree. In the NFL there's so much information to process on a play from the play call to reading the keys to understanding the nuances of the game within the game. All of it is mountains above college.

In college, FCS players study film outside of team and room film sessions maybe up to 6 hours in a week. FBS likely 10 hours a week. In the pros, it's their job and they can put in 20+ hours a week. The more time and effective film study a college player can do, the better their results on the field on Saturdays.

The level of detail the NFL players notice and understand about the game is light years ahead of the level of detail a FCS and FBS player has. Is the guard placing their weight on their inside foot, do they have their hips shifted just slightly to the opposite side of the line, how heavy are they on their hand? At the NFL level, it's details, details, and details.
 
GriznMN said:
Agree. In the NFL there's so much information to process on a play from the play call to reading the keys to understanding the nuances of the game within the game. All of it is mountains above college.

In college, FCS players study film outside of team and room film sessions maybe up to 6 hours in a week. FBS likely 10 hours a week. In the pros, it's their job and they can put in 20+ hours a week. The more time and effective film study a college player can do, the better their results on the field on Saturdays.

The level of detail the NFL players notice and understand about the game is light years ahead of the level of detail a FCS and FBS player has. Is the guard placing their weight on their inside foot, do they have their hips shifted just slightly to the opposite side of the line, how heavy are they on their hand? At the NFL level, it's details, details, and details.
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Are you making this up? I admit that I don't know, but it doesn't seem right to me. I will try to ask some of the NFL guys I'm not-quite hanging around with this winter. My friend (I played ball with his dad, who was just here) lives in Scottsdale in the winters and works out with his buddies. About 10 current NFL OL-men, half of whom are Vikings. A big Bill is with the group.

Some of them go to this place, Thea, which is on the roof of this place: https://www.globalambassadorhotel.com/

Thea is big and happening. Devan Booker and Larry Fitzgerald are investors or somehow involved.

théa Rooftop Dining | The Global Ambassador

Step into a world of rich Mediterranean flavors and endless Camelback Mountain views at théa, a lively rooftop restaurant at our luxury hotel in Phoenix.
www.globalambassadorhotel.com www.globalambassadorhotel.com

I've asked my buddy to take us sometime.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Are you making this up? I admit that I don't know, but it doesn't seem right to me. I will try to ask some of the NFL guys I'm not-quite hanging around with this winter. My friend (I played ball with his dad, who was just here) lives in Scottsdale in the winters and works out with his buddies. About 10 current NFL OL-men, half of whom are Vikings. A big Bill is with the group.

Some of them go to this place, Thea, which is on the roof of this place: https://www.globalambassadorhotel.com/

Thea is big and happening. Devan Booker and Larry Fitzgerald are investors or somehow involved.

théa Rooftop Dining | The Global Ambassador

Step into a world of rich Mediterranean flavors and endless Camelback Mountain views at théa, a lively rooftop restaurant at our luxury hotel in Phoenix.
www.globalambassadorhotel.com www.globalambassadorhotel.com

I've asked my buddy to take us sometime.
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Tell Larry Fitzgerald hi for me. I knew him when he was a ball boy with the Vikings. Ask him if he ever got himself the same kind of car he borrowed from Randy Moss to go to the prom.

He will confirm what I said is true
 
grizjumps45 said:
I think he would say it’s pretty accurate for modern football and the reality for most fcs players. I literally started by saying i know there’s a select few fcs players that have transcended this.
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I’ll help you out since you’re relatively new. This is how it works here:

I say something like, “It’s extremely difficult to make it in the NBA if you’re short.”

Then you say, “Tell that to Muggsy Bogues.”

By operation of eGriz logic, your response completely invalidates my point.
 
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GriznMN said:
Tell Larry Fitzgerald hi for me. I knew him when he was a ball boy with the Vikings. Ask him if he ever got himself the same kind of car he borrowed from Randy Moss to go to the prom.

He will confirm what I said is true
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My wife would love to see Fitzgerald, and thinks he's handsome, but I doubt I'll run across him. My friend is Brian O'Neill. He's been to our house at Flathead. I've know him his whole life. Did you know that Mariani played a year with Randy Moss and liked him? Were you a Vikes fan when Ed Marinaro was playing. He still goes to their reunions and events. His 3 years there were longer than anywhere else he played.
 
The East Valley and Scottsdale in particular probably has the most current and retired NFL players per capita anywhere in the country. Johnny Manziel said he moved to Scottsdale because it is the Mecca of golf. The climate is the best for year round football in the country. 2.5% flat income tax is a pittance compared to California and Minnesota as well.
 
There are 257 draft picks per year and 300-350 4-5 star rated HS athletes that come out every year. Once in a blue moon the FCS get a caliber of player like Jared Allen, Randy Moss and Cooper Kipp. kids are under recruited in certain areas and the truth is there isn’t a ton of NFL talent in these parts.
 
406football said:
There are 257 draft picks per year and 300-350 4-5 star rated HS athletes that come out every year. Once in a blue moon the FCS get a caliber of player like Jared Allen, Randy Moss and Cooper Kipp. kids are under recruited in certain areas and the truth is there isn’t a ton of NFL talent in these parts.
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After a quick google search, of those 257 draft picks, 117 of them were 3 star or less. 21 of them, including the #1 overall pick had zero stars coming out of high school. As we all know though, most of the great non 4-5 star recruits that start their college career in the FCS, will be recruited to the FBS before NFL draft day.
 
406football said:
There are 257 draft picks per year and 300-350 4-5 star rated HS athletes that come out every year. Once in a blue moon the FCS get a caliber of player like Jared Allen, Randy Moss and Cooper Kipp. kids are under recruited in certain areas and the truth is there isn’t a ton of NFL talent in these parts.
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It does happen that players go from being minimally recruited out of high school to making the NFL, it happens more so in Montana than anywhere else. I want to say half or more of the guys who made it to the NFL from the first Hauck iteration received 0 FBS attention.
 
5280Griz said:
It does happen that players go from being minimally recruited out of high school to making the NFL, it happens more so in Montana than anywhere else. I want to say half or more of the guys who made it to the NFL from the first Hauck iteration received 0 FBS attention.
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The OP isn't talking about making the NFL, he is talking about being highly productive.
 
406football said:
The OP isn't talking about making the NFL, he is talking about being highly productive.
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Marc Mariani made the Pro Bowl and Colt Anderson played 8 seasons when the average for all NFL players is 3 seasons. That is not highly productive to you?
 
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