FCS STATS Poll (Oct 16) - Griz #21

[2011BisonAlumni]

NAU being left out and Illinois State remaining in is a complete load of shit. Such disrespect for NAU and big sky in general is nauseating! Bottom line is the big sky needs to start performing better in the playoffs outside of just EWU. As much dislike as I have for the Eags, mad props for representing the conference the last few years, because without that representation the big sky is completely irrelevant.


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You can’t say such disrespect and then say Big Sky needs to perform better in playoffs. Until proven when it matters, Big Sky is a weak FCS Conference. Truth be told , it has been for a very long time. Montana’s 1995-2011 run and EWU 2010 championship just masked it.

Well what has NDSU's 5 NC's masked? Because other than you guys, your conference hasn't done shit since YSU was relevant (and it already looks like last year was an aberration).

Well geez I don’t know. The third team in the Valley last year made it all the way to Frisco.

It isn’t the Valley’s fault the playoff committee places all teams on one side. SDSU has played NDSU 3 times I’m the playoffs. UNI twice. Many of those games could have gone either way and I could have told you they were the toughest opponent I saw NDSU play. The one year two really good Valley teams were placed in opposite brackets, 2014, both made it to the championship game.

It is clearly top to bottom the best conference in the FCS.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Makes you wonder how much the voters are really looking at the wins and losses. Youngstown St in the top ten at 3-3 is a bit of a head scratcher too.

Thankfully the selection committee digs a little deeper into the composition of a record.

National runner up last year with bulk of team back. Three games lost by total of 9 points. 1 against Pitt and the others against top 5 teams. Not much of a head scratcher.

EWU at 8 is a joke. Who have they beat? They have been humiliated against top teams and had marginal performances against some weak Big Sky teams.

SDSU is way too high. No quality wins and they have 3 losses.

I watched the NDSU/YSU game. I can assure you this: If you were to play EWU again, the score wouldn't be 40-13 (or whatever it was)....You're lucky you caught them early. We caught them about 30 minutes too late.

You are right. I think it would be a bigger ass kicking. They did not have an answer for a physical running game. If Montana got back to playing physical like they did under Hauck, they would own the Big Sky.

 

[Diesel]

Makes you wonder how much the voters are really looking at the wins and losses. Youngstown St in the top ten at 3-3 is a bit of a head scratcher too.

Thankfully the selection committee digs a little deeper into the composition of a record.

National runner up last year with bulk of team back. Three games lost by total of 9 points. 1 against Pitt and the others against top 5 teams. Not much of a head scratcher.

EWU at 8 is a joke. Who have they beat? They have been humiliated against top teams and had marginal performances against some weak Big Sky teams.

SDSU is way too high. No quality wins and they have 3 losses.

I watched the NDSU/YSU game. I can assure you this: If you were to play EWU again, the score wouldn't be 40-13 (or whatever it was)....You're lucky you caught them early. We caught them about 30 minutes too late.

You are right. I think it would be a bigger ass kicking. They did not have an answer for a physical running game. If Montana got back to playing physical like they did under Hauck, they would own the Big Sky.

Bison defense is much more impressive than the solid offense. UM defense is getting better.
Bison have shown diversity with formations, motion, personel on offense no doubt they can play smash mouth, they can hang in shootouts also. Bobby ball basic, Bob was dug in at first with his scheme. Last year and this year offense is becoming more diverse. Bob and Bobby are both great at recruiting. Bob ball might be coming to a stadium near you soon,maybe this year. Looking forward to UM playing NDSU again.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Makes you wonder how much the voters are really looking at the wins and losses. Youngstown St in the top ten at 3-3 is a bit of a head scratcher too.

Thankfully the selection committee digs a little deeper into the composition of a record.

National runner up last year with bulk of team back. Three games lost by total of 9 points. 1 against Pitt and the others against top 5 teams. Not much of a head scratcher.

EWU at 8 is a joke. Who have they beat? They have been humiliated against top teams and had marginal performances against some weak Big Sky teams.

SDSU is way too high. No quality wins and they have 3 losses.

I watched the NDSU/YSU game. I can assure you this: If you were to play EWU again, the score wouldn't be 40-13 (or whatever it was)....You're lucky you caught them early. We caught them about 30 minutes too late.

You are right. I think it would be a bigger ass kicking. They did not have an answer for a physical running game. If Montana got back to playing physical like they did under Hauck, they would own the Big Sky.

Yeah, I don't think so. But you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

[AZGrizFan]

NAU being left out and Illinois State remaining in is a complete load of shit. Such disrespect for NAU and big sky in general is nauseating! Bottom line is the big sky needs to start performing better in the playoffs outside of just EWU. As much dislike as I have for the Eags, mad props for representing the conference the last few years, because without that representation the big sky is completely irrelevant.


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You can’t say such disrespect and then say Big Sky needs to perform better in playoffs. Until proven when it matters, Big Sky is a weak FCS Conference. Truth be told , it has been for a very long time. Montana’s 1995-2011 run and EWU 2010 championship just masked it.

Well what has NDSU's 5 NC's masked? Because other than you guys, your conference hasn't done shit since YSU was relevant (and it already looks like last year was an aberration).

Well geez I don’t know. The third team in the Valley last year made it all the way to Frisco.

It isn’t the Valley’s fault the playoff committee places all teams on one side. SDSU has played NDSU 3 times I’m the playoffs. UNI twice. Many of those games could have gone either way and I could have told you they were the toughest opponent I saw NDSU play. The one year two really good Valley teams were placed in opposite brackets, 2014, both made it to the championship game.

It is clearly top to bottom the best conference in the FCS.

Please. You act like the MFVC is the ONLY conference they do that to.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

You can’t say such disrespect and then say Big Sky needs to perform better in playoffs. Until proven when it matters, Big Sky is a weak FCS Conference. Truth be told , it has been for a very long time. Montana’s 1995-2011 run and EWU 2010 championship just masked it.

Well what has NDSU's 5 NC's masked? Because other than you guys, your conference hasn't done shit since YSU was relevant (and it already looks like last year was an aberration).

Well geez I don’t know. The third team in the Valley last year made it all the way to Frisco.

It isn’t the Valley’s fault the playoff committee places all teams on one side. SDSU has played NDSU 3 times I’m the playoffs. UNI twice. Many of those games could have gone either way and I could have told you they were the toughest opponent I saw NDSU play. The one year two really good Valley teams were placed in opposite brackets, 2014, both made it to the championship game.

It is clearly top to bottom the best conference in the FCS.

Please. You act like the MFVC is the ONLY conference they do that to.

No but when they all play each in round 2, it is very hard for them to all make noise.

Right now, MVFC is the overwhelmingly highest rated FCS conference according to Sagarin. It’s actually rated higher than 5 FBS conferences. Hard to argue against the strength of the conference. I could legitimately say NDSU, USD, YSU, and Western Illinois all have very realistic chances of winning it all. I’d also never count out SDSU or UNI.

Over the last 6 years, the Valley teams have done very well in the playoffs and last year came very close to having another all Valley championship game.

I can even go back to 2010 when NDSU was the third Valley team in at 7 wins. Made a quarterfinal run and in the process pisspounded an 11 win Montana State team and came dangerously close to beating eventual national champion EWU. Can’t ever remember the Big Sky taking I’m three teams and the third team making any noise. Historically there are 1 or 2 very good teams and a lot of very marginal teams.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well what has NDSU's 5 NC's masked? Because other than you guys, your conference hasn't done shit since YSU was relevant (and it already looks like last year was an aberration).

Well geez I don’t know. The third team in the Valley last year made it all the way to Frisco.

It isn’t the Valley’s fault the playoff committee places all teams on one side. SDSU has played NDSU 3 times I’m the playoffs. UNI twice. Many of those games could have gone either way and I could have told you they were the toughest opponent I saw NDSU play. The one year two really good Valley teams were placed in opposite brackets, 2014, both made it to the championship game.

It is clearly top to bottom the best conference in the FCS.

Please. You act like the MFVC is the ONLY conference they do that to.

No but when they all play each in round 2, it is very hard for them to all make noise.

Exactly. And that's what happens to the BSC, CAA, and any conference with multiple entries.

 

[kemajic]

Too bad the guy took down the College Football Data Warehouse. Don't know the numbers, but Montana's record against the MVC is pretty damn good.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Too bad the guy took down the College Football Data Warehouse. Don't know the numbers, but Montana's record against the MVC is pretty damn good.

Kem, try the link again....it works again, but it's not updated. At least it was a couple days ago.

 

[dbackjon]

And now we know it's bullshit and the FCS media is adamantly against the Big Sky conference. Northern Arizona should be ranked and Illinois State should absolutely be dropped.

Yeah, that type of crap makes you understand this is a worthless poll.

 

[dbackjon]

Makes you wonder how much the voters are really looking at the wins and losses. Youngstown St in the top ten at 3-3 is a bit of a head scratcher too.

Thankfully the selection committee digs a little deeper into the composition of a record.

I think the selection committee is a little more forgiving to those programs who lost close games to the stronger MVFC teams. Youngstown State lost to FBS Pitt by 7, only lost by 3 to #4 South Dakota and lost to #2 NDSU in overtime. Having YSU at #9 is actually a decent spot for how they've played.

If YSU loses to UNI next weekend, expect them to drop significantly in the polls.

The Pitt loss was in OT and the South Dakota loss was a last second field goal.

And their three wins are against absolute garbage teams.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Makes you wonder how much the voters are really looking at the wins and losses. Youngstown St in the top ten at 3-3 is a bit of a head scratcher too.

Thankfully the selection committee digs a little deeper into the composition of a record.

I think the selection committee is a little more forgiving to those programs who lost close games to the stronger MVFC teams. Youngstown State lost to FBS Pitt by 7, only lost by 3 to #4 South Dakota and lost to #2 NDSU in overtime. Having YSU at #9 is actually a decent spot for how they've played.

If YSU loses to UNI next weekend, expect them to drop significantly in the polls.

The Pitt loss was in OT and the South Dakota loss was a last second field goal.

And their three wins are against absolute garbage teams.

Don’t get your panties in a wad. There is still time for your boys to prove their worth. The only poll that matters is the last one and even it isn’t binding. All they need to do is win... Be sure to let them know!

 

[get'em_griz]

I think the selection committee is a little more forgiving to those programs who lost close games to the stronger MVFC teams. Youngstown State lost to FBS Pitt by 7, only lost by 3 to #4 South Dakota and lost to #2 NDSU in overtime. Having YSU at #9 is actually a decent spot for how they've played.

If YSU loses to UNI next weekend, expect them to drop significantly in the polls.

The Pitt loss was in OT and the South Dakota loss was a last second field goal.

And their three wins are against absolute garbage teams.

Don’t get your panties in a wad. There is still time for your boys to prove their worth. The only poll that matters is the last one and even it isn’t binding. All they need to do is win... Be sure to let them know!

They can win each game except for the one on November 4. :thumb:

 

[AZDoc]

Well what has NDSU's 5 NC's masked? Because other than you guys, your conference hasn't done shit since YSU was relevant (and it already looks like last year was an aberration).

Well geez I don’t know. The third team in the Valley last year made it all the way to Frisco.

It isn’t the Valley’s fault the playoff committee places all teams on one side. SDSU has played NDSU 3 times I’m the playoffs. UNI twice. Many of those games could have gone either way and I could have told you they were the toughest opponent I saw NDSU play. The one year two really good Valley teams were placed in opposite brackets, 2014, both made it to the championship game.

It is clearly top to bottom the best conference in the FCS.

Please. You act like the MFVC is the ONLY conference they do that to.

No but when they all play each in round 2, it is very hard for them to all make noise.

Right now, MVFC is the overwhelmingly highest rated FCS conference according to Sagarin. It’s actually rated higher than 5 FBS conferences. Hard to argue against the strength of the conference. I could legitimately say NDSU, USD, YSU, and Western Illinois all have very realistic chances of winning it all. I’d also never count out SDSU or UNI.

Over the last 6 years, the Valley teams have done very well in the playoffs and last year came very close to having another all Valley championship game.

I can even go back to 2010 when NDSU was the third Valley team in at 7 wins. Made a quarterfinal run and in the process pisspounded an 11 win Montana State team and came dangerously close to beating eventual national champion EWU. Can’t ever remember the Big Sky taking I’m three teams and the third team making any noise. Historically there are 1 or 2 very good teams and a lot of very marginal teams.

Why is this an argument? This is the truth, with a few exception years. Top to bottom the MV is much better than most other FCS conferences. look at the BSC/MV "trophy". I'll say that top BSC team(s) could certainly beat any of the teams on a given day (yes, even the mighty bizun), but if we did a 1-10 and played, they would win 7 or 8 of those games. NAU helped the argument, but until proven on the field (playoffs), there is really no point of this argument.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well geez I don’t know. The third team in the Valley last year made it all the way to Frisco.

It isn’t the Valley’s fault the playoff committee places all teams on one side. SDSU has played NDSU 3 times I’m the playoffs. UNI twice. Many of those games could have gone either way and I could have told you they were the toughest opponent I saw NDSU play. The one year two really good Valley teams were placed in opposite brackets, 2014, both made it to the championship game.

It is clearly top to bottom the best conference in the FCS.

Please. You act like the MFVC is the ONLY conference they do that to.

No but when they all play each in round 2, it is very hard for them to all make noise.

Right now, MVFC is the overwhelmingly highest rated FCS conference according to Sagarin. It’s actually rated higher than 5 FBS conferences. Hard to argue against the strength of the conference. I could legitimately say NDSU, USD, YSU, and Western Illinois all have very realistic chances of winning it all. I’d also never count out SDSU or UNI.

Over the last 6 years, the Valley teams have done very well in the playoffs and last year came very close to having another all Valley championship game.

I can even go back to 2010 when NDSU was the third Valley team in at 7 wins. Made a quarterfinal run and in the process pisspounded an 11 win Montana State team and came dangerously close to beating eventual national champion EWU. Can’t ever remember the Big Sky taking I’m three teams and the third team making any noise. Historically there are 1 or 2 very good teams and a lot of very marginal teams.

Why is this an argument? This is the truth, with a few exception years. Top to bottom the MV is much better than most other FCS conferences. look at the BSC/MV "trophy". I'll say that top BSC team(s) could certainly beat any of the teams on a given day (yes, even the mighty bizun), but if we did a 1-10 and played, they would win 7 or 8 of those games. NAU helped the argument, but until proven on the field (playoffs), there is really no point of this argument.

Wasn't it 5-3 this year? Asking for a friend...

 

[AZDoc]

Please. You act like the MFVC is the ONLY conference they do that to.

No but when they all play each in round 2, it is very hard for them to all make noise.

Right now, MVFC is the overwhelmingly highest rated FCS conference according to Sagarin. It’s actually rated higher than 5 FBS conferences. Hard to argue against the strength of the conference. I could legitimately say NDSU, USD, YSU, and Western Illinois all have very realistic chances of winning it all. I’d also never count out SDSU or UNI.

Over the last 6 years, the Valley teams have done very well in the playoffs and last year came very close to having another all Valley championship game.

I can even go back to 2010 when NDSU was the third Valley team in at 7 wins. Made a quarterfinal run and in the process pisspounded an 11 win Montana State team and came dangerously close to beating eventual national champion EWU. Can’t ever remember the Big Sky taking I’m three teams and the third team making any noise. Historically there are 1 or 2 very good teams and a lot of very marginal teams.

Why is this an argument? This is the truth, with a few exception years. Top to bottom the MV is much better than most other FCS conferences. look at the BSC/MV "trophy". I'll say that top BSC team(s) could certainly beat any of the teams on a given day (yes, even the mighty bizun), but if we did a 1-10 and played, they would win 7 or 8 of those games. NAU helped the argument, but until proven on the field (playoffs), there is really no point of this argument.

Wasn't it 5-3 this year? Asking for a friend...

Tell your friend yes, but a straight across 1-10 vs 1-10 is what I was discussing. I think the only "good" win was NAU. Missouri State is crap, and UND was better then. UNI isn't as good either, but they were 1-1 against the conference. I get your friends point, and I do think the BSC is getting better overall, but not up to MVC yet. I think that will continue as well for reasons that take too long to discuss in a forum, but in a few years, there may be argument that 4-5 teams from BSC will get in.