FCS STATS Poll (Nov 13)

[AZGrizFan]

I've never claimed that the Griz schedule was difficult....but at some point you have to give teams some credit in the polls for beating the people in front of you right?

Specially getting to 8-3 you would think. And if pollsters are considering who the teams lose to...

Ok we had two close losses to ranked teams in the conference (Even tho the game did not feel as close as the final score in Weber) and throw the Washington game out.

The Griz dont have any "BAD" losses on the record.
god i sound like a cat fan with that^^^

If they're not going to give the Griz credit for beating the teams in front of them, why in the holy HELL do they give credit to teams from the MEAC, SWAC, Pioneer, etc., etc.? Those teams would get ROLLED by 3/4 of the BSC, but because one or two of 'em can roll up a 9-1 or 10-0 record against inferior competition they get ranked in the top 10....WAFJ.

 

[tnt]

I've never claimed that the Griz schedule was difficult....but at some point you have to give teams some credit in the polls for beating the people in front of you right?

Specially getting to 8-3 you would think. And if pollsters are considering who the teams lose to...

Ok we had two close losses to ranked teams in the conference (Even tho the game did not feel as close as the final score in Weber) and throw the Washington game out.

The Griz dont have any "BAD" losses on the record.
god i sound like a cat fan with that^^^

If they're not going to give the Griz credit for beating the teams in front of them, why in the holy HELL do they give credit to teams from the MEAC, SWAC, Pioneer, etc., etc.? Those teams would get ROLLED by 3/4 of the BSC, but because one or two of 'em can roll up a 9-1 or 10-0 record against inferior competition they get ranked in the top 10....WAFJ.

That may all be true, BUT if you can't/don't beat the other BSC teams in the regular season, the issue is pretty much decided. No matter how many "but's you come up with (injuries, suspensions, freshman QBs etc the fact remains Weebs and Eastern Beat us. You know who the better teams are (and it ain't us.) You can SAY the other teams in those other conferences are lesser, poorer, weaker etc. But until they are played no one really knows. That's the purpose of the playoffs. Otherwise we could just vote at the end of the season. The simple fact is the BSC teams have sucked in the playoffs for a long time now.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

...but at some point you have to give teams some credit in the polls for beating the people in front of you right?

Honestly, if there's anything I've learned watching FBS football this and last season, record really doesn't matter. Look at Wisconsin for crying out loud. Apparently being undefeated means you are worse than a team that already took two losses.

 

[DuCharme]

AGS poll always turns out to be the best playoff field indicator. The Griz are good there. 22nd. Ahead of EWU, behind NAU.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I've never claimed that the Griz schedule was difficult....but at some point you have to give teams some credit in the polls for beating the people in front of you right?

Specially getting to 8-3 you would think. And if pollsters are considering who the teams lose to...

Ok we had two close losses to ranked teams in the conference (Even tho the game did not feel as close as the final score in Weber) and throw the Washington game out.

The Griz dont have any "BAD" losses on the record.
god i sound like a cat fan with that^^^

If they're not going to give the Griz credit for beating the teams in front of them, why in the holy HELL do they give credit to teams from the MEAC, SWAC, Pioneer, etc., etc.? Those teams would get ROLLED by 3/4 of the BSC, but because one or two of 'em can roll up a 9-1 or 10-0 record against inferior competition they get ranked in the top 10....WAFJ.

That may all be true, BUT if you can't/don't beat the other BSC teams in the regular season, the issue is pretty much decided. No matter how many "but's you come up with (injuries, suspensions, freshman QBs etc the fact remains Weebs and Eastern Beat us. You know who the better teams are (and it ain't us.) You can SAY the other teams in those other conferences are lesser, poorer, weaker etc. But until they are played no one really knows. That's the purpose of the playoffs. Otherwise we could just vote at the end of the season. The simple fact is the BSC teams have sucked in the playoffs for a long time now.

Exactly..they did beat us...and we beat NAU.....

FUUUUCK I HATE THIS CONFERENCES SCHEDULING!!!!!!

 

[marceagfan5]

I've never claimed that the Griz schedule was difficult....but at some point you have to give teams some credit in the polls for beating the people in front of you right?

Specially getting to 8-3 you would think. And if pollsters are considering who the teams lose to...

Ok we had two close losses to ranked teams in the conference (Even tho the game did not feel as close as the final score in Weber) and throw the Washington game out.

The Griz dont have any "BAD" losses on the record.
god i sound like a cat fan with that^^^

If they're not going to give the Griz credit for beating the teams in front of them, why in the holy HELL do they give credit to teams from the MEAC, SWAC, Pioneer, etc., etc.? Those teams would get ROLLED by 3/4 of the BSC, but because one or two of 'em can roll up a 9-1 or 10-0 record against inferior competition they get ranked in the top 10....WAFJ.

That may all be true, BUT if you can't/don't beat the other BSC teams in the regular season, the issue is pretty much decided. No matter how many "but's you come up with (injuries, suspensions, freshman QBs etc the fact remains Weebs and Eastern Beat us. You know who the better teams are (and it ain't us.) You can SAY the other teams in those other conferences are lesser, poorer, weaker etc. But until they are played no one really knows. That's the purpose of the playoffs. Otherwise we could just vote at the end of the season. The simple fact is the BSC teams have sucked in the playoffs for a long time now.

In the last nine years, the big sky conference has had a team in the final four in seven of those. Granted, it’s basically just been eastern or Montana, but it’s not like the other conferences are rolling out five or six different teams that make it to the end every year either…

 

[tnt]

That's true for ONE team, but the years we have sent 3, not so much and certainly not good enough that we could send 4 this year. Even 3 would be stretch.

 

[AZDoc]

AGS poll always turns out to be the best playoff field indicator. The Griz are good there. 22nd. Ahead of EWU, behind NAU.

And here is their playoff bracket. I think it's interesting that they have NAU in and EWU out. If they lose and EWU wins, both are 7-4. They have SUU as the 8, which would indicate they think SUU will beat NAU. I think if that's the case and the Griz win, there will either be 3 in or the 4th would be a 7-4 EWU.

http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/2017-1114-week-11-ags-fcs-bracket/

 

[AZGrizFan]

AGS poll always turns out to be the best playoff field indicator. The Griz are good there. 22nd. Ahead of EWU, behind NAU.

And here is their playoff bracket. I think it's interesting that they have NAU in and EWU out. If they lose and EWU wins, both are 7-4. They have SUU as the 8, which would indicate they think SUU will beat NAU. I think if that's the case and the Griz win, there will either be 3 in or the 4th would be a 7-4 EWU.

http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/2017-1114-week-11-ags-fcs-bracket/

Agreed. NAU loses, they're done. EWU would likely take their spot. Griz win and they're in. Book it.

 

[PlayerRep]

Here's my buddy's playoff selection analysis. I haven't looked at it closely. Jeez, please not Monmouth. Griz could use some upsets.

Even at 8-3 this year, it isn’t a given that we make the playoffs this year. If you break it down, you have 11 automatic berths by conference champions, leaving 13 other “at-large” selections.

Here's my “best guess” finish – with records to reflect “favorites” winning this Saturday…. (*automatic qualifier):

1. James Madison 11-0*
2. North Carolina A&T 11-0*
3. North Dakota State 10-1*
4. Kennesaw State 10-1*
5. Jacksonville State 10-1*
6. Central Arkansas 10-1*
7. Sam Houston State 10-1
8. Southern Utah 9-2*
9. Wofford 9-2*
10. Monmouth 9-2
11. South Dakota State 9-2
12. San Diego 9-2*
13. Nichols 9-2
14. McNeese State 9-2
15. Stoney Brook 9-2
16. Weber State 9-2
17. Central Connecticut 8-3*
18. Lehigh 5-6*
19. Western Illinois 8-3 – 3-3 vs. playoff opponents/also, win vs. Coastal Carolina
20. Elon 8-3 – 1-1 vs. playoff opponents --- could be better or worse depending on Saturday’s game with James Madison
21. Northern Iowa 7-4 – 2-3 vs. playoff opponents
22. Furman or Samford 8-3 – play each other Saturday
23. ____________
24. ____________

Others in contention:
• Delaware (8-3) – 1-1 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Villanova Saturday
• New Hampshire (8-3) – 2-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Albany Saturday
• Montana (8-3) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Montana State Saturday
• Northern Arizona (7-4) – 2-1 vs. playoff opponents – counting a loss to Southern Utah Saturday
• South Dakota (7-4) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents, plus win vs. FBS Bowling Green – counting a loss Saturday to South Dakota State
• Eastern Washington (7-4) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Portland State Saturday
• Illinois State (6-5) – 1-3 vs. playoff opponents ---- but hosts North Dakota State Saturday
• Sacramento State (7-4) – 1-3 vs. playoff opponents --- Long Shot

Our schedule this year didn’t help much, and because of the way we beat NAU, it brought national attention to a committee that normally might only have seen a score. Interesting weekend ahead with some very key games.

 

[AZDoc]

Here's my buddy's playoff selection analysis. I haven't looked at it closely. Jeez, please not Monmouth. Griz could use some upsets.

Even at 8-3 this year, it isn’t a given that we make the playoffs this year. If you break it down, you have 11 automatic berths by conference champions, leaving 13 other “at-large” selections.

Here's my “best guess” finish – with records to reflect “favorites” winning this Saturday…. (*automatic qualifier):

1. James Madison 11-0*
2. North Carolina A&T 11-0*
3. North Dakota State 10-1*
4. Kennesaw State 10-1*
5. Jacksonville State 10-1*
6. Central Arkansas 10-1*
7. Sam Houston State 10-1
8. Southern Utah 9-2*
9. Wofford 9-2*
10. Monmouth 9-2
11. South Dakota State 9-2
12. San Diego 9-2*
13. Nichols 9-2
14. McNeese State 9-2
15. Stoney Brook 9-2
16. Weber State 9-2
17. Central Connecticut 8-3*
18. Lehigh 5-6*
19. Western Illinois 8-3 – 3-3 vs. playoff opponents/also, win vs. Coastal Carolina
20. Elon 8-3 – 1-1 vs. playoff opponents --- could be better or worse depending on Saturday’s game with James Madison
21. Northern Iowa 7-4 – 2-3 vs. playoff opponents
22. Furman or Samford 8-3 – play each other Saturday
23. ____________
24. ____________

Others in contention:
• Delaware (8-3) – 1-1 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Villanova Saturday
• New Hampshire (8-3) – 2-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Albany Saturday
• Montana (8-3) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Montana State Saturday
• Northern Arizona (7-4) – 2-1 vs. playoff opponents – counting a loss to Southern Utah Saturday
• South Dakota (7-4) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents, plus win vs. FBS Bowling Green – counting a loss Saturday to South Dakota State
• Eastern Washington (7-4) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Portland State Saturday
• Illinois State (6-5) – 1-3 vs. playoff opponents ---- but hosts North Dakota State Saturday
• Sacramento State (7-4) – 1-3 vs. playoff opponents --- Long Shot

Our schedule this year didn’t help much, and because of the way we beat NAU, it brought national attention to a committee that normally might only have seen a score. Interesting weekend ahead with some very key games.

NC A&T will not be in the playoffs. they already said they will not participate, instead doing their bowl. That's helpful. I was thinking the same about the "way" we beat NAU and everyone knowing about it. Figured I'd keep it to myself as didn't want to get bashed. Truly though food for thought in my opinion.

 

[marceagfan5]

Here's my buddy's playoff selection analysis. I haven't looked at it closely. Jeez, please not Monmouth. Griz could use some upsets.

Even at 8-3 this year, it isn’t a given that we make the playoffs this year. If you break it down, you have 11 automatic berths by conference champions, leaving 13 other “at-large” selections.

Here's my “best guess” finish – with records to reflect “favorites” winning this Saturday…. (*automatic qualifier):

1. James Madison 11-0*
2. North Carolina A&T 11-0*
3. North Dakota State 10-1*
4. Kennesaw State 10-1*
5. Jacksonville State 10-1*
6. Central Arkansas 10-1*
7. Sam Houston State 10-1
8. Southern Utah 9-2*
9. Wofford 9-2*
10. Monmouth 9-2
11. South Dakota State 9-2
12. San Diego 9-2*
13. Nichols 9-2
14. McNeese State 9-2
15. Stoney Brook 9-2
16. Weber State 9-2
17. Central Connecticut 8-3*
18. Lehigh 5-6*
19. Western Illinois 8-3 – 3-3 vs. playoff opponents/also, win vs. Coastal Carolina
20. Elon 8-3 – 1-1 vs. playoff opponents --- could be better or worse depending on Saturday’s game with James Madison
21. Northern Iowa 7-4 – 2-3 vs. playoff opponents
22. Furman or Samford 8-3 – play each other Saturday
23. ____________
24. ____________

Others in contention:
• Delaware (8-3) – 1-1 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Villanova Saturday
• New Hampshire (8-3) – 2-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Albany Saturday
• Montana (8-3) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Montana State Saturday
• Northern Arizona (7-4) – 2-1 vs. playoff opponents – counting a loss to Southern Utah Saturday
• South Dakota (7-4) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents, plus win vs. FBS Bowling Green – counting a loss Saturday to South Dakota State
• Eastern Washington (7-4) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Portland State Saturday
• Illinois State (6-5) – 1-3 vs. playoff opponents ---- but hosts North Dakota State Saturday
• Sacramento State (7-4) – 1-3 vs. playoff opponents --- Long Shot

Our schedule this year didn’t help much, and because of the way we beat NAU, it brought national attention to a committee that normally might only have seen a score. Interesting weekend ahead with some very key games.

NC A&T will not be in the playoffs. they already said they will not participate, instead doing their bowl. That's helpful. I was thinking the same about the "way" we beat NAU and everyone knowing about it. Figured I'd keep it to myself as didn't want to get bashed. Truly though food for thought in my opinion.

The argument between eastern and Montana is compelling. The griz would have one more win and possibly the best win (NAU) but they would have the same conference record and Eastern owns the head to head win in Missoula and the strength of schedules aren’t close. Would the committee favor the griz 2 non conf FCS wins over easterns 1-1 FCS games considering who they played, and if they do is that worth more than easterns win in Missoula? It will be interesting to see what the committee does here if it comes down to it...

 

[AZDoc]

Here's my buddy's playoff selection analysis. I haven't looked at it closely. Jeez, please not Monmouth. Griz could use some upsets.

Even at 8-3 this year, it isn’t a given that we make the playoffs this year. If you break it down, you have 11 automatic berths by conference champions, leaving 13 other “at-large” selections.

Here's my “best guess” finish – with records to reflect “favorites” winning this Saturday…. (*automatic qualifier):

1. James Madison 11-0*
2. North Carolina A&T 11-0*
3. North Dakota State 10-1*
4. Kennesaw State 10-1*
5. Jacksonville State 10-1*
6. Central Arkansas 10-1*
7. Sam Houston State 10-1
8. Southern Utah 9-2*
9. Wofford 9-2*
10. Monmouth 9-2
11. South Dakota State 9-2
12. San Diego 9-2*
13. Nichols 9-2
14. McNeese State 9-2
15. Stoney Brook 9-2
16. Weber State 9-2
17. Central Connecticut 8-3*
18. Lehigh 5-6*
19. Western Illinois 8-3 – 3-3 vs. playoff opponents/also, win vs. Coastal Carolina
20. Elon 8-3 – 1-1 vs. playoff opponents --- could be better or worse depending on Saturday’s game with James Madison
21. Northern Iowa 7-4 – 2-3 vs. playoff opponents
22. Furman or Samford 8-3 – play each other Saturday
23. ____________
24. ____________

Others in contention:
• Delaware (8-3) – 1-1 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Villanova Saturday
• New Hampshire (8-3) – 2-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Albany Saturday
• Montana (8-3) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Montana State Saturday
• Northern Arizona (7-4) – 2-1 vs. playoff opponents – counting a loss to Southern Utah Saturday
• South Dakota (7-4) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents, plus win vs. FBS Bowling Green – counting a loss Saturday to South Dakota State
• Eastern Washington (7-4) – 1-2 vs. playoff opponents – counting a win over Portland State Saturday
• Illinois State (6-5) – 1-3 vs. playoff opponents ---- but hosts North Dakota State Saturday
• Sacramento State (7-4) – 1-3 vs. playoff opponents --- Long Shot

Our schedule this year didn’t help much, and because of the way we beat NAU, it brought national attention to a committee that normally might only have seen a score. Interesting weekend ahead with some very key games.

NC A&T will not be in the playoffs. they already said they will not participate, instead doing their bowl. That's helpful. I was thinking the same about the "way" we beat NAU and everyone knowing about it. Figured I'd keep it to myself as didn't want to get bashed. Truly though food for thought in my opinion.

The argument between eastern and Montana is compelling. The griz would have one more win and possibly the best win (NAU) but they would have the same conference record and Eastern owns the head to head win in Missoula and the strength of schedules aren’t close. Would the committee favor the griz 2 non conf FCS wins over easterns 1-1 FCS games considering who they played, and if they do is that worth more than easterns win in Missoula? It will be interesting to see what the committee does here if it comes down to it...

I think 2 things about that. 1st is if the Griz win, they will be 6 wins out of 7 games. That's solid. Again, I think IF they take 4 it's EWU pending a Griz win. I think if it's 3, it'll be Montana if 8-3. There could certainly be an argument for either. Guess that makes for some fun on selection sunday!

 

[PlayerRep]

As I have said before on the EWU head-to-head, I would argue that it was our redshirt frosh' first start after the starter's injury, and look at the numbers the redshirt frosh is putting up now as the season goes on. That's as good of an argument as some are making for UM beating NAU without their starter. Of course, I assume our conference rep will likely not know or use that argument. Is the conf rep still the Idaho St. guy? If so, let's get Ferriter on him.

 

[PlayerRep]

Thanks on the NC A&T info. Here's an article on the announcement yesterday. http://www.ncataggies.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=593291&SPID=74503&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211685327&DB_OEM_ID=24500

 

[marceagfan5]

As I have said before on the EWU head-to-head, I would argue that it was our redshirt frosh' first start after the starter's injury, and look at the numbers the redshirt frosh is putting up now as the season goes on. That's as good of an argument as some are making for UM beating NAU without their starter. Of course, I assume our conference rep will likely not know or use that argument. Is the conf rep still the Idaho St. guy? If so, let's get Ferriter on him.

This and the winning 6 out of 7 argument both help the griz out...the Griz SOS is what will really hurt them if they don’t get in

 

[AZGrizFan]

The argument between eastern and Montana is compelling. The griz would have one more win and possibly the best win (NAU) but they would have the same conference record and Eastern owns the head to head win in Missoula and the strength of schedules aren’t close. Would the committee favor the griz 2 non conf FCS wins over easterns 1-1 FCS games considering who they played, and if they do is that worth more than easterns win in Missoula? It will be interesting to see what the committee does here if it comes down to it...

If the committee values a "good loss" over a win, then we're great and truly fucked as a division. If they do that, they're starting to sound like the Montana States of the world.

And really, is getting blown out--AT HOME--really a "quality loss"? If it had been a nailbiter right down to the end I might understand it...but that game was NEVER in question...a runaway blowout of the old-fashioned ass-kicking variety. I fail to see how THAT helps EWU in any way, shape or form.

 

[marceagfan5]

The argument between eastern and Montana is compelling. The griz would have one more win and possibly the best win (NAU) but they would have the same conference record and Eastern owns the head to head win in Missoula and the strength of schedules aren’t close. Would the committee favor the griz 2 non conf FCS wins over easterns 1-1 FCS games considering who they played, and if they do is that worth more than easterns win in Missoula? It will be interesting to see what the committee does here if it comes down to it...

If the committee values a "good loss" over a win, then we're great and truly f***[*] as a division. If they do that, they're starting to sound like the Montana States of the world.

And really, is getting blown out--AT HOME--really a "quality loss"? If it had been a nailbiter right down to the end I might understand it...but that game was NEVER in question...a runaway blowout of the old-fashioned ass-kicking variety. I fail to see how THAT helps EWU in any way, shape or form.

But UM played savannah state and valpo...if sac state and Eastern play that schedule, both teams are 7-3 right now. Can you really put any value into a home win against a non-scholarship team?

If the committee takes Montana in this case above I think they open up the door to everyone scheduling down moving forward in non conf...

I guess it’s just funny what side of the fence you’re on, some media over here are almost certain Eastern gets in, in that situation, I don’t necessarily feel the same way, and I know griz fans definitely don’t.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The argument between eastern and Montana is compelling. The griz would have one more win and possibly the best win (NAU) but they would have the same conference record and Eastern owns the head to head win in Missoula and the strength of schedules aren’t close. Would the committee favor the griz 2 non conf FCS wins over easterns 1-1 FCS games considering who they played, and if they do is that worth more than easterns win in Missoula? It will be interesting to see what the committee does here if it comes down to it...

If the committee values a "good loss" over a win, then we're great and truly f***[*] as a division. If they do that, they're starting to sound like the Montana States of the world.

And really, is getting blown out--AT HOME--really a "quality loss"? If it had been a nailbiter right down to the end I might understand it...but that game was NEVER in question...a runaway blowout of the old-fashioned ass-kicking variety. I fail to see how THAT helps EWU in any way, shape or form.

But UM played savannah state and valpo...if sac state and Eastern play that schedule, both teams are 7-3 right now. Can you really put any value into a home win against a non-scholarship team?

If the committee takes Montana in this case above I think they open up the door to everyone scheduling down moving forward in non conf...

I guess it’s just funny what side of the fence you’re on, some media over here are almost certain Eastern gets in, in that situation, I don’t necessarily feel the same way, and I know griz fans definitely don’t.

This Griz fan is 100% certain an 8-3 Griz team is in the playoffs. I am NOT 100% certain that a 7-4 EWU team is OUT of the playoffs, either.